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Arsenal 1991 wrote:1.) To encourage the club to reinvest the very high and still increasing ticket prices in the playing squad so that it is of a standard that reflects this.
2.) We seek clarity over the club's youth policy, in particular pay rises for young players, which have increased the club's wage bill considerably but not resulted in trophies.
3.) We seek to understand the PLC's longer term vision and strategy. We respect the social obligations and wider business interests of the PLC, but are concerned that the football team winning trophies is no longer the PLC's main priority.
What do you think of these as the movement's aims?
Have amended point 2 based on Belfast Boy, DB10Gooner, Augie and Flash's posts especially good opinions regarding wages, wage structure and type of player Wenger now buys. Have missed out mentioning wages ( I know USMartin is keen on this point) because Gazidis could turn round and wipe the floor with us and say every club has increased wages, even to youth players.
But I have shifted emphasis onto inbalance between youth and experience, something that may fans have complained about and can then be looked at in more detail further down the line, and wages can be raised as a point in a situation where people might get a bit of time to question Gazidis, rather than one question which could be answered by saying "Wages have been raised at all clubs".
Have slightly amended point 1 as Arsenal1991 phrased, good to use that word "re-invest". I think the point now reflects the view that we have cash in the bank, and it should be spent on players.
Thoughts please, latest mission statement edits.
1.) To encourage the club to reinvest the high ticket prices in the playing squad so that it reflects the increased revenues from the new stadium.
2.) We fans support the development of youth players, who improve by gaining experience and by learning from older players. We worry there is an over reliance on youth, at the expense of older professionals.
3.) We seek to understand the PLC's longer term vision and strategy. We respect the social obligations and wider business interests of the PLC, but are concerned that the football team winning trophies is no longer the PLC's main priority.
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I find it fascinating how people say I can't orve the Board is responsible even when I present proof that suggests they may because I don't present enough proof support these sweeping almost psychoanalytical reviews of the manager's conduct that have as many actual facts supporting them as the case for invading Iraq made by the Bush Administration did - as in none.
We don't know who is ultimately resposible with certaity and this movement aims to find out and to advocate for the needed changes either way, but DB10 that is pure fantastical drivel because you haven't jot of factual evidence to support that. It is you re-writing history to suit your comfort in my opinion
At least my beliefs can be supported by facts no one can deny. Is there a smoking gun? no. You don't even present a whiff of smoke.
Arsenal 1991 wrote:Just 10 people away from 100 fans on facebook and 55 followers on twitter. Viva la revolution.
We haven’t even started marketed it yet. No links on other online sites, no networking as of yet. Haven’t even told anyone about its the site looks bare and no info
It needs banners, pictures , spending tables , finance reports, info on player contracts, info on current wages at the club
Anything to make people read it and be sick to the stomach with anger and frustration.
I think once we've all agreed upon the basis then we can push forward, I'm still apprehensive of going full speed just yet though.
I posted following post on Reg's thread about the BSM.
Any FCnotPLC members thoughts please?
We all want a better team.
The graphics are very well done, but Arsenal FC not PLC are not accusing the board of hoarding cash for their own greed.
We are saying the cash should be spent on players, but accepting it could be that Wenger is just stubborn in his youth project and not spending cash that is available.
And another key point of our is that the cash that is spent, has been spent unwisely with too much emphasis on youth.
When FC not PLC produces graphics and literature, would like to see an absence of swearwords. Want it to appeal to anyone from 8 to 80.
Want same end result, but different approach.
No point working against each other, every point working together where possible, but not in favour of merging the two groups for reasons mentioned above.
augie wrote:As I said before I understand that logic and I understand the 50% reality over the 100% dream point u made earlier but the point I (and I think flash) is making is that as long as wenger stays there will be no 50% reality Whether you are a wenger disciple or a wenger critic, everybody knows that wenger has his own way of working.......full stop. He doesnt do compromise and he doesnt even think that he is wrong or even on the wrong path so what are the chances of him changing his work practices now ?
Maybe in an ideal world wenger cottons on to the shit load of mistakes he has been making in recent seasons (not buying enough proven quality, not ridding the club of proven sub standard players, not having more emphasis on tactics, not instilling passion into his players) and makes real strides to correct these mistakes and we are all happy to hold onto the man that has revolutionised our club but the reality, for me at least, is that this is very very unlikely to happen and so, in my opinion, the best that this form of protest can acheive is for it to lead to a high profile stand off with the club because for real progress there needs to be real demonstrations
Time to start an Arsenal FC not Arsene FC movement?
I will propose you as chairman of any such movement........it would have to be you cos I am not well versed in the workings of facebook, twitter etc
Problem is Mr. Gazidis cannot point to another top club in England with a bottom weitghted wage structure like our own. There simply is nonone at this time, a line ayt the ned of point 2 stating the following
2.) We fans support the development of youth players, who improve by gaining experience and by learning from older players. We worry there is an over reliance on youth, at the expense of older professionals, and this appears to be refelected in the current wage structure for the club
or make this point 3 and make the current 3 point 4
3) We are also concerned about the current wage stucture and that the overpayment of younger players initially and in long-term contract renewals in it impedes the Club's ability to sign these essential older professionals
I think this is an important point because our original concern about the overpayment of youngsters is tied directly to this
And lets not forget I don't think these our the groups mission statements themselves as much as versions that can be used initilally in handbills or flyers to generate immediate interest. I think our mission statements can be longer or should be at least at website or in a letter to the Club, as shorter statements are too vague and can be answered too easily without really answering them Thses are to get other Gooners who may not have as much time to consider this as we are taking to join our effort or support it.
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augie wrote:As I said before I understand that logic and I understand the 50% reality over the 100% dream point u made earlier but the point I (and I think flash) is making is that as long as wenger stays there will be no 50% reality Whether you are a wenger disciple or a wenger critic, everybody knows that wenger has his own way of working.......full stop. He doesnt do compromise and he doesnt even think that he is wrong or even on the wrong path so what are the chances of him changing his work practices now ?
Maybe in an ideal world wenger cottons on to the shit load of mistakes he has been making in recent seasons (not buying enough proven quality, not ridding the club of proven sub standard players, not having more emphasis on tactics, not instilling passion into his players) and makes real strides to correct these mistakes and we are all happy to hold onto the man that has revolutionised our club but the reality, for me at least, is that this is very very unlikely to happen and so, in my opinion, the best that this form of protest can acheive is for it to lead to a high profile stand off with the club because for real progress there needs to be real demonstrations
Time to start an Arsenal FC not Arsene FC movement?
I will propose you as chairman of any such movement........it would have to be you cos I am not well versed in the workings of facebook, twitter etc
Well thats me in as chairman. I propose Sid as chief activist If nothing else his Northern Irish accent will scare some people into joining
augie wrote:As I said before I understand that logic and I understand the 50% reality over the 100% dream point u made earlier but the point I (and I think flash) is making is that as long as wenger stays there will be no 50% reality Whether you are a wenger disciple or a wenger critic, everybody knows that wenger has his own way of working.......full stop. He doesnt do compromise and he doesnt even think that he is wrong or even on the wrong path so what are the chances of him changing his work practices now ?
Maybe in an ideal world wenger cottons on to the shit load of mistakes he has been making in recent seasons (not buying enough proven quality, not ridding the club of proven sub standard players, not having more emphasis on tactics, not instilling passion into his players) and makes real strides to correct these mistakes and we are all happy to hold onto the man that has revolutionised our club but the reality, for me at least, is that this is very very unlikely to happen and so, in my opinion, the best that this form of protest can acheive is for it to lead to a high profile stand off with the club because for real progress there needs to be real demonstrations
Time to start an Arsenal FC not Arsene FC movement?
I will propose you as chairman of any such movement........it would have to be you cos I am not well versed in the workings of facebook, twitter etc
Well thats me in as chairman. I propose Sid as chief activist If nothing else his Northern Irish accent will scare some people into joining
If he has an accent like Ian Paisley then he HAS to be the spokesperson.
augie wrote:As I said before I understand that logic and I understand the 50% reality over the 100% dream point u made earlier but the point I (and I think flash) is making is that as long as wenger stays there will be no 50% reality Whether you are a wenger disciple or a wenger critic, everybody knows that wenger has his own way of working.......full stop. He doesnt do compromise and he doesnt even think that he is wrong or even on the wrong path so what are the chances of him changing his work practices now ?
Maybe in an ideal world wenger cottons on to the shit load of mistakes he has been making in recent seasons (not buying enough proven quality, not ridding the club of proven sub standard players, not having more emphasis on tactics, not instilling passion into his players) and makes real strides to correct these mistakes and we are all happy to hold onto the man that has revolutionised our club but the reality, for me at least, is that this is very very unlikely to happen and so, in my opinion, the best that this form of protest can acheive is for it to lead to a high profile stand off with the club because for real progress there needs to be real demonstrations
Time to start an Arsenal FC not Arsene FC movement?
I will propose you as chairman of any such movement........it would have to be you cos I am not well versed in the workings of facebook, twitter etc
Well thats me in as chairman. I propose Sid as chief activist If nothing else his Northern Irish accent will scare some people into joining
I'm afraid I'm like Augie a twitter and facebook virgin. (and that was me trying to speak politely to people I hadn't met before)
augie wrote:As I said before I understand that logic and I understand the 50% reality over the 100% dream point u made earlier but the point I (and I think flash) is making is that as long as wenger stays there will be no 50% reality Whether you are a wenger disciple or a wenger critic, everybody knows that wenger has his own way of working.......full stop. He doesnt do compromise and he doesnt even think that he is wrong or even on the wrong path so what are the chances of him changing his work practices now ?
Maybe in an ideal world wenger cottons on to the shit load of mistakes he has been making in recent seasons (not buying enough proven quality, not ridding the club of proven sub standard players, not having more emphasis on tactics, not instilling passion into his players) and makes real strides to correct these mistakes and we are all happy to hold onto the man that has revolutionised our club but the reality, for me at least, is that this is very very unlikely to happen and so, in my opinion, the best that this form of protest can acheive is for it to lead to a high profile stand off with the club because for real progress there needs to be real demonstrations
Time to start an Arsenal FC not Arsene FC movement?
I will propose you as chairman of any such movement........it would have to be you cos I am not well versed in the workings of facebook, twitter etc
Well thats me in as chairman. I propose Sid as chief activist If nothing else his Northern Irish accent will scare some people into joining
If he has an accent like Ian Paisley then he HAS to be the spokesperson.
Whether you are a wenger disciple or a wenger critic, everybody knows that wenger has his own way of working.......full stop. He doesnt do compromise and he doesnt even think that he is wrong or even on the wrong path so what are the chances of him changing his work practices now ?
