Wenger Out Banner

Revgoon89 · Post by **Revgoon89** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:42 am

For all the talk, for all the times we profess to wanting Wenger out, for the board to go or pull their fingers out, we don't exactly do much do we?

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:42 am

Sid makes some good points and I see he started his boycott 2 years earlier than me. That is to be commended.

banners are good fun and all that but not buying tickets is the only language this board understands.

there is currently a circle which needs to be broken otherwise decline will continue

Season Tickets renewed - Kroenke is happy - Wenger is kept as manager-and on we go

I would personally like to see the board go and Wenger given another chance but I am coming round to the idea that if Kroenke goes then sadly Wenger may have to as well. But the yank is the biggest problem.

safcftm · Post by **safcftm** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:55 am

Revgoon89 wrote:For all the talk, for all the times we profess to wanting Wenger out, for the board to go or pull their fingers out, we don't exactly do much do we?

It does appear that way like. Must admit I thought the anger was building over a few issues at the end of last season (the price rise being the straw that seemed to break the camels back) and there was the protest outside the ground but that never really gained any momentum and nothing seems to have been mentioned since then.

At least the banner makers have taken a first step but even then it appears as if part of the reason it hasnt made an appearance is because it wont be welcomed by many in the ground. I know there is an argument that many in the ground are plastic tourist types and arent real gooners, but it still shows that acceptance or apathy seems to have a hold.

TBH at the minute it looks like the best anti-wenger movement will be Wenger himself- the argument has always been that the board are only concerned with profits etc and the thing that looks most likely to put real pressure on wenger or the board at the minute is a failure to qualify for the CL- miss it once and there might not be mass panic but miss it a couple of times and its hundreds of millions of pounds not coming in and with it there is the loss of players (RVP wont stick around to play europa league you wouldnt have thought) and therefore the loss of plastic fans meaning less people to fill the ground at their prices.

The fans need to try and force a move from the board/ Wenger before this happens but no movement seems to have sufficient momentum or even sufficient support to really have an effect in time

augie · Post by **augie** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:19 pm

Frankly it embarrasses the shit out of me how lame we Gooners are sometimes

I know steve o and a few others believe the way to hit the club is to stop renewing the season tickets but personally I believe there are other options that should at least be attempted before that option but too many Gooners seem afraid to do the necessary

Why are we afraid to protest pre match, during the match or post match ? I no longer accept the line that protests shouldnt be held at games when we are playing our rivals cos right now every day we wait is a day further down the road to mid table obscurity and for a club our size that is simply unacceptable. I dont care what the mancs or scum fans think of us or how much fun they will get out of any show of disharmony in our club cos at the end of the day I am willing to do all I can to get our club back to a position of being top dogs in this country. I believe that any fan that believes that it is time for a change should step up to the plate now and raise your displeasure at the situation.

It is unfortunate of course that we are now having to turn on a manager that has served us well for a number of years but the fact is that we simply have to do so cos otherwise nothing will change and 2012,2013 and 2014 will be the same as the past few agonising years and surely no Gooner could want or accept that ? If wenger truly cared for the club then would he allow the club to continue their slide down the table as is currently happening ? If he cared about the legacy he is going to leave behind being tarnished by his last few years wouldnt he quit now and not allow it to happen ? The reason why he hasnt quit is because he doesnt see what is continually happening in front of him as failure and that fact alone should scare the shit out of every Gooner out there. What will he class as failure then ? How low are we going to have to drop before he see's it as failure and as supporters are we willing to allow it go that far before we do anything ?

Of course it can be argued that a protest might not change anything in our club but surely trying is better than doing nothing ? I have always believed that, going on past evidence at least, wenger would not be slow about fcuking off as soon as he realises that he has lost the support of the fans. Maybe that is naive on my part but I am basing that on his reaction to being questioned on the silvestre deal a couple of years ago and it is clear that he has never liked being questioned by anybody. Should the banner have been displayed before now ? Of course it should but that doesnt mean that it is too late to do so now. These guys have stuck their necks out and taken a lot of flak from *word censored* who seem to think that we should be happy with our lot

Why should they be asked to stand alone when they are expressing the views of most of us anyway ? A lot of you people attend games and some have said that they prefer to go to pubs in the area so there are a lot of fans in the immediate area to make themselves available either for a pre match or post match protest so if you want to do something to force the situation to change then fine but otherwise your complaining on here dont count for shit (and no I am not aiming that at you sid)

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:27 pm

Look Sid I have no problem with you either, but I just don't understand where you stand.

I know that you want Wenger out, you don't think the banner is strongly worded enough (I stand by the wording though for multiple reasons) and you think we cocked it up in September.

I don't understand though, do you think the banner is a laughing stock and we should burn it or that it's impact is 'somewhat diluted'? Not having a go, just would like clarification.

As for Sunday I shall speak to Mikey tonight to get planning. Watch this space... Obviously the game won't be given away but quite a few off here may well be notified.

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:44 pm

SWLGooner wrote:Look Sid I have no problem with you either, but I just don't understand where you stand.

I know that you want Wenger out, you don't think the banner is strongly worded enough (I stand by the wording though for multiple reasons) and you think we cocked it up in September.

I don't understand though, do you think the banner is a laughing stock and we should burn it or that it's impact is 'somewhat diluted'? Not having a go, just would like clarification.

As for Sunday I shall speak to Mikey tonight to get planning. Watch this space... Obviously the game won't be given away but quite a few off here may well be notified.

SWL, as for the impact being "diluted" I feel I have seen it just about everywhere arsenal related other than at the stadium (albeit on television

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Even considering the almost "friendly" wording on the banner, I think it would have shocked many back in September, but the banners rumoured then failed appearance has dampened your powder.
The wording has been reported in press and media and your views ridiculed.
I think to make a real impact now will require a more "aggressive" uncompromising approach. This fucker has pissed us about for the last 6 years and in my opinion deserves neither mercy nor apologies.

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:53 pm

I think we will see more aggressive action towards the end of the season mate. At least I hope we do if things pan out as I fear they will. We'll finish 6th and crash out of the FA Cup and Champions League soon.

Post by **HashKads** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:01 pm

If we fail miserably at the end of the season. I reckon we should just get this out;

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:12 pm

I suggested the sit-in idea back last march and everyone agreed with proper planning it would be a great oppurtunity. could get someone on club level to hang the banner up and tell the papers what we're planning on doing

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:24 pm

I can be the guy in Club if you want? But if we pre alert the media how could we get the banner in?

safcftm · Post by **safcftm** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:34 pm

SWLGooner wrote:I can be the guy in Club if you want? But if we pre alert the media how could we get the banner in?

Could you not just wrap the banner around your chest before you get dressed? They're unlikely to strip search you- bring a bag (with some water or some such innocent looking thing in it), go to the toilet, take top off, unwrap banner, put banner in bag, surprise them at the end of the game by quickly displaying banner when they dont expect it? Probably wouldnt work like.

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:35 pm

SWLGooner wrote:I can be the guy in Club if you want? But if we pre alert the media how could we get the banner in?

I was hoping if we do the protest first time and it gathers some attention you could try and get it in again, and with the clubs knowledge they wouldn't allow you in, try and get a picture of the club stopping you and then its all about Arsenal putting an end to free speech as pressure under wenger grows.

just an idea.

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:38 pm

Henry Norris 1913 wrote:
SWLGooner wrote:I can be the guy in Club if you want? But if we pre alert the media how could we get the banner in?
I was hoping if we do the protest first time and it gathers some attention you could try and get it in again, and with the clubs knowledge they wouldn't allow you in, try and get a picture of the club stopping you and then its all about Arsenal putting an end to free speech as pressure under wenger grows.

just an idea.

I've said all along the biggest piece of publicity you could get is to have someone confiscate the banner, this would be something I can't recall happening at any other ground, especially with such a politely worded banner

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:45 pm

SAFC it's too big for that mate.

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:47 pm

SWLGooner wrote:SAFC it's too big for that mate.

You could always go as ****