pre season games match thread.

[arseofacrow]

real fans have real patience, eh mate?

[highburyJD]

whats that you say? you hate Arsenal and want to become a Sperz fan?




(irritating having people put words in your mouth isnt it)

[franksav63]

I asked

for what reason do you think Wenger chooses not to prepare? laziness, a self imposed handicap? I can't see any reason why somebody in a performance based profession deliberately reduces his chances.

the answers given mostly make no sense to me

Perhaps because he gets his 7.5 million a year regardless what he does

is silly but you know that

he's safe in the knowledge that the wankers at board level are happy with his qualifying for the CL

oh right - finishing ahead of loads of clubs on bigger budgets, which clearly requires no preparation

finishing 19-20 odd points behind the leaders, regression every season, not only in the points behind the leaders but also in the goals against column and games lost.

er no - that 'regression' + points gap is just last season, not every season (and not a great example as positionally we actually improved by one spot which kept us in the CL)

He's got lazy, he loves excuses and I hope, beyond hope that he does finally fuck off in 2 seasons time. (if we're lucky sooner, I hope)

lazy - seriously? you're going to go with lazy. Our manager has many flaws. Nobody with the vaguest semblance of a clue believes this is one

Arrogance.....pure and simple arrogance The man believes without exception that he is always correct

is much more believable than the inane 'lazy'
and Wenger, like most good leaders has a big streak of arrogance and self-belief which can hinder as well as help him.
but

so he doesnt see the need to have his new signings ready for day 1

is pretty foolish - you also think he has deliberately hamstrung himself, a bonkers claim

Of course only part of this arrogance is his fault cos if you go unchallenged when you make mistakes by either your employers or their customers then feeling untouchable is a natural progression from there Maybe, and it is only a maybe, but maybe if the day arrives that he is truly held accountable and asked to explain/justify his decisions then we might start to see a change in his mentality but sadly i fear that boat has long since sailed

I don't think any sensible owner will ask him to explain/justify finishing ahead of all but the Manc millionaires

Of course it's a regression, we lost 10 games... conceded 49 goals, this is getting worse, season upon season, as is the points differential between ourselves and the champions... oh whoopie do, we managed to get 3rd, but only because the nearest rivals floundered so badly at the end, it wasn't anything magical that your messiah did differently.... and yes I stand by it.. he's lazy... lazy in knowledge that he won't be held accountable for 8-2 defeats, or CL Final defeats by relegated teams... just as long as he lucks his way to another pointless CL campaign...

[highburyJD]

Of course it's a regression, we lost 10 games... conceded 49 goals, this is getting worse, season upon season, as is the points differential between ourselves and the champions... oh whoopie do, we managed to get 3rd, but only because the nearest rivals floundered so badly at the end, it wasn't anything magical that your messiah did differently.... and yes I stand by it.. he's lazy... lazy in knowledge that he won't be held accountable for 8-2 defeats, or CL Final defeats by relegated teams... just as long as he lucks his way to another pointless CL campaign...

3rd instead of 4th is "of course" regression, no possible other POV
16 CLs in a row = luck
workaholic manager = lazy

this is borderline delusional Frank

[franksav63]

Of course it's a regression, we lost 10 games... conceded 49 goals, this is getting worse, season upon season, as is the points differential between ourselves and the champions... oh whoopie do, we managed to get 3rd, but only because the nearest rivals floundered so badly at the end, it wasn't anything magical that your messiah did differently.... and yes I stand by it.. he's lazy... lazy in knowledge that he won't be held accountable for 8-2 defeats, or CL Final defeats by relegated teams... just as long as he lucks his way to another pointless CL campaign...

3rd instead of 4th is "of course" regression, no possible other POV
16 CLs in a row = luck
workaholic manager = lazy

this is borderline delusional Frank

No more delusional than fans, like yourself, that will carry on supporting the busted flush that is Wenger, regardless on whatever he does... (or nowadays, doesn't do), defeats by relegated teams in finals, 8-2 defeats, record defeat away against Milan... not strengthening areas in the team that even maybe you could see need strengthening, carrying on with Almunia as number 1 for several seasons, making him captain in several games. Giving out long contract to players that don't deserve them, now we're saddled with them.

Anyway, how do you know his a workaholic manager? Do you see him every day, he still has time to holiday with David Dein, do punditry for French TV and also finds time to shag French rappers... yes it seems he's very overworked for his 7.5 million a year... not forgetting all the football he watches that doesn't do jack shit for his tactical acumen.

[AFCasap]

Of course it's a regression, we lost 10 games... conceded 49 goals, this is getting worse, season upon season, as is the points differential between ourselves and the champions... oh whoopie do, we managed to get 3rd, but only because the nearest rivals floundered so badly at the end, it wasn't anything magical that your messiah did differently.... and yes I stand by it.. he's lazy... lazy in knowledge that he won't be held accountable for 8-2 defeats, or CL Final defeats by relegated teams... just as long as he lucks his way to another pointless CL campaign...

3rd instead of 4th is "of course" regression, no possible other POV
16 CLs in a row = luck
workaholic manager = lazy

this is borderline delusional Frank

No more delusional than fans, like yourself, that will carry on supporting the busted flush that is Wenger, regardless on whatever he does... (or nowadays, doesn't do), defeats by relegated teams in finals, 8-2 defeats, record defeat away against Milan... not strengthening areas in the team that even maybe you could see need strengthening, carrying on with Almunia as number 1 for several seasons, making him captain in several games. Giving out long contract to players that don't deserve them, now we're saddled with them.

Anyway, how do you know his a workaholic manager? Do you see him every day, he still has time to holiday with David Dein, do punditry for French TV and also finds time to shag French rappers... yes it seems he's very overworked for his 7.5 million a year... not forgetting all the football he watches that doesn't do jack shit for his tactical acumen.

well said....until the arrogant goes....this website needs a new forum for all wenger lovers to adore their master to their hearts content...something like "for the love of wenger"

[Henry Norris 1913]

workaholic wenger.

[Dan_85]

Just back from the Dartford game, we were rubbish.

[highburyJD]

No more delusional than fans, like yourself, that will carry on supporting the busted flush that is Wenger, regardless on whatever he does

nobody thinks their own view is bonkers but mine is def consistent
I have a 'par' expectation, it hasnt been missed so far - I don't support Wenger regardless
although I have to admit personally I would still give him one more season to win something even if he missed minimum target of CL

defeats by relegated teams in finals, 8-2 defeats, record defeat away against Milan

Brum - unlucky, 8-2 was truly embarrasing and I cam straight off a stag do so was hungover to fek (although also slightly unfortunate in terms of the score margin - we broke a record for shots on target at OT - their first shot that didnt go in was pretty late in the game) was glad we got rid of Traore afterwards, Milan was the really bad one of those 3 (Swansea away worse IMO) but SanSiro really was poor on every level - bad tactics, terrible individual performances (Vermaelen + Djourou), failure to chase the away goal hard in the last 5-10. Shoddy.

not strengthening areas in the team that even maybe you could see need strengthening,

whenever you sign somebody you give up on somebody else - I would have signed a GK meaning we lost Szcz - in last few seasons I would have signed a centremid reducing Wilshere's workload (now looks a good idea) but maybe stalling his progress. Earlier signings might have made us miss Arteta and Mertesacker both of whom I think can be important for us

carrying on with Almunia as number 1 for several seasons,

agree 100% inexplicable

making him captain in several games.

never cared who was captain when watching or playing TBH

Giving out long contract to players that don't deserve them, now we're saddled with them.

works both ways - flamster, na$ri and hleb didn't 'deserve' new contracts. Heard plenty moan that they hadn't been locked in.

Anyway, how do you know his a workaholic manager? Do you see him every day, he still has time to holiday with David Dein, do punditry for French TV and also finds time to shag French rappers

first two could help with work. I didn't actually follow the French rapper story, dont really care about their love lives

yes it seems he's very overworked for his 7.5 million a year... not forgetting all the football he watches that doesn't do jack shit for his tactical acumen.

he earns a lot of money, its obv not for his 'tactical acumen' he didnt build teams based on the oppo in '98,'02 or '04 either.

[franksav63]

No more delusional than fans, like yourself, that will carry on supporting the busted flush that is Wenger, regardless on whatever he does

nobody thinks their own view is bonkers but mine is def consistent
I have a 'par' expectation, it hasnt been missed so far - I don't support Wenger regardless
although I have to admit personally I would still give him one more season to win something even if he missed minimum target of CL

defeats by relegated teams in finals, 8-2 defeats, record defeat away against Milan

Brum - unlucky, 8-2 was truly embarrasing and I cam straight off a stag do so was hungover to fek (although also slightly unfortunate in terms of the score margin - we broke a record for shots on target at OT - their first shot that didnt go in was pretty late in the game) was glad we got rid of Traore afterwards, Milan was the really bad one of those 3 (Swansea away worse IMO) but SanSiro really was poor on every level - bad tactics, terrible individual performances (Vermaelen + Djourou), failure to chase the away goal hard in the last 5-10. Shoddy.

not strengthening areas in the team that even maybe you could see need strengthening,

whenever you sign somebody you give up on somebody else - I would have signed a GK meaning we lost Szcz - in last few seasons I would have signed a centremid reducing Wilshere's workload (now looks a good idea) but maybe stalling his progress. Earlier signings might have made us miss Arteta and Mertesacker both of whom I think can be important for us

carrying on with Almunia as number 1 for several seasons,

agree 100% inexplicable

making him captain in several games.

never cared who was captain when watching or playing TBH

Giving out long contract to players that don't deserve them, now we're saddled with them.

works both ways - flamster, na$ri and hleb didn't 'deserve' new contracts. Heard plenty moan that they hadn't been locked in.

Anyway, how do you know his a workaholic manager? Do you see him every day, he still has time to holiday with David Dein, do punditry for French TV and also finds time to shag French rappers

first two could help with work. I didn't actually follow the French rapper story, dont really care about their love lives

yes it seems he's very overworked for his 7.5 million a year... not forgetting all the football he watches that doesn't do jack shit for his tactical acumen.

he earns a lot of money, its obv not for his 'tactical acumen' he didnt build teams based on the oppo in '98,'02 or '04 either.

I'm all argued out on this..

Debated to death, we're never going to totally agree, but still look forward to meeting up for a beer at one of the games next season.

[arseofacrow]

good...just looking at all that quoting from hjd makes me want to punch someone in the face (hjd )

[highburyJD]

good...just looking at all that quoting from hjd makes me want to punch someone in the face (hjd )

dude - when I cut the quotes down (because they fill half the page) I'm a politician
when I don't I'm a potential punchbag

cannae win

[bergkamp10]

3rd instead of 4th is "of course" regression, no possible other POV
16 CLs in a row = luck
workaholic manager = lazy

this is borderline delusional Frank

Come on guys, we'll going to win the league, especially with our hero Abou Diaby back!!!

Your a embarrassment shold be sung to Wenger in Koln...!!!

[augie]

good...just looking at all that quoting from hjd makes me want to punch someone in the face (hjd )

dude - when I cut the quotes down (because they fill half the page) I'm a politician
when I don't I'm a potential punchbag

cannae win

It's worse than that......it sounds like your a scot

[I Hate Hleb]

He's probably ginger as well!!