Carabao Cup Final v pimped small club | 16:30 | Sunday 25/02

[NickF]

That game was watched around the world by people who might now just think Arsenal have fans that walk out on them in a final.

I would think (hope?) most people are intelligent enough to realise why people left early.

[NickF]

Football is and has been a social occasion for me for years. It's an opportunity to catch up with mates have some good food/few beers. The results are almost incidental these days.

I wonder how much of this is repeated amongst our fans? It would explain the apathy to doing anything about our situation.
Not having a go, just asking a question.

[Gunner Rob]

I was sat at half time talking to a Wenger lover. I had to be very restrained but after a very long conversation asked him to justify spending £35m on xhaka as a starting point, cue silence, He was going on about Wenger not having the money to compete with city, It beggars belief.

Yet you were happy enough to attend today....
Have a think about it.

I’m a gooner through thick and thin. Think about it..........

no real Arsenal supporter can continue blindly attending matches and hoping that things can get better.
they won't.

to be honest the real Arsenal support has already stopped attending, the ones that are left are the deluded, those who want a nice day out and the growing overseas tourist market.
Wenger is still in a job because people continue to go and spend their money. You have to remember that Arsenal is now a business first and a football club second. Wenger would be sacked if enough people stayed away, but the fanbase is too weak. the team reflects that weakness.

Mate don't talk crap. Football is and has been a social occasion for me for years. It's an opportunity to catch up with mates have some good food/few beers. The results are almost incidental these days.

To say real Arsenal fans don't go to the games again is utterly retarded, there are a lot of Gooners that went pre Wenger (including me) that have had season tickets for 30+ years.

Do you go to football on your own or something?

you even admit that you fall into one of the categories I suggested - fair enough you have gone for the nice day out.
the thing is you treat it as a social occasion and so do vast numbers of the current match going Arsenal fans. you therefore can't really be too surprised that the manager and the team don't give a shit either.
But as you say the result isn't important - as long as you get to spend £100+ on meaningless crap then that keeps you happy.

I go to non league football now where you tend to get more value for money. used to go to the Arsenal but one by one the people i went with realised that they were getting mugged off by continuing to go. still meet up sometimes to watch games in the pub - now thats a social occasion, but if you actually go to games then it should be a bit more surely ?

[Nos89]

City's first goal was a foul on mustafi as Aguero impeded his attempt to get the ball. Yet, where was the cover from Koscielny? He's the leader at the back did he not see mustafi was out of position? Where was the midfield cover for mustafi going forward? Had mustafi played the player instead of appealing, the goal would've been prevented. Mistakes all around but a class finish given the opportunity. Basic errors, play to the whistle.
Whichever way you look at it Sane was offside. There's no disputing it. I can think of a dozen times this season goals have been disallowed for a player standing in a similar position. However, mustafi getting done by a 34year old crock for a corner was embarrassing.
Third goal was just outstanding individual skill. Not much you can about that.
However, the overriding lack of basic defending was critical to our failure on the pitch.

Jesus H Christ you are clutching at straws this morning arent you ?

The first goal wasnt a foul in a billion years and mustafi made himself look like a pussy yet again by his reaction - firstly he wasnt even watching the ball when it was being kicked out and as a result he was out of position. Secondly aguero didnt foul him and merely stood his ground as the wimp german c.unt backed into him - can you imagine the same thing happen to TA6 or bould or keown ? Mustafi tried to cover up his inability to win headers like that by flapping his arms looking for a free like he has done many times since he arrived at our club - recently I pointed out that very same issue, and if he stays here for another decade (god forbid) you will still see the same thing happen

Sane did not intefere one jot for their second goal - the ball was going towards the other corner, osina had a clear view of it and was heading that way when kompany diverted it, so sane's positioning was not relevent at all.

Thanks to our esteemed cuntbag manager and players, we are living in an alternative world where making excuses is all we do

Whichever way you look at it Aguero pushed mustafi in the back, he played the player not the ball. He was looking at mustafi waiting for him to jump and then pushed him in the back. It's a foul, free kick.
Sane is offside throughout phase1, phase2 and still offside when the ball hit the net. You know the laws of the game. If we were 1-0 up before Aguero scored we would've cried foul, if we were 2-1 when kompany scored we'd have cried offside.
The fact that mustafi was very poor in defending, as was Koscielny, a majority of the players showed a lack of intent and passion to win the game, added to the team was set up poorly and lacked leadership shouldn't cover up that two of the goals city scored should've been disallowed.

[Nos89]

Nothing will change until fans stay away in their thousands week after week. And they won't. So nothing will change until fucking Wenger decides to go.

I was sat at half time talking to a Wenger lover. I had to be very restrained but after a very long conversation asked him to justify spending £35m on xhaka as a starting point, cue silence, He was going on about Wenger not having the money to compete with city, It beggars belief.

Yet you were happy enough to attend today....
Have a think about it.

I’m a gooner through thick and thin. Think about it..........

no real Arsenal supporter can continue blindly attending matches and hoping that things can get better.
they won't.

to be honest the real Arsenal support has already stopped attending, the ones that are left are the deluded, those who want a nice day out and the growing overseas tourist market.
Wenger is still in a job because people continue to go and spend their money. You have to remember that Arsenal is now a business first and a football club second. Wenger would be sacked if enough people stayed away, but the fanbase is too weak. the team reflects that weakness.

That's rubbish real supporters carry on and support the team.
Wenger is in the job because he delivered top 4 finish for 20 years and won 3 trophies in last 4 years. The club has already shown it's disdain towards real supporters. Wenger would've gone had we lost to Chelsea in the cup final.

[Clash]

Whichever way you look at it Aguero pushed mustafi in the back, he played the player not the ball. He was looking at mustafi waiting for him to jump and then pushed him in the back. It's a foul, free kick.
Sane is offside throughout phase1, phase2 and still offside when the ball hit the net. You know the laws of the game. If we were 1-0 up before Aguero scored we would've cried foul, if we were 2-1 when kompany scored we'd have cried offside.
The fact that mustafi was very poor in defending, as was Koscielny, a majority of the players showed a lack of intent and passion to win the game, added to the team was set up poorly and lacked leadership shouldn't cover up that two of the goals city scored should've been disallowed.

Imagine it the other way around. Aguero is the defender and Musafi is the forward. Would you really give a free kick to a forward for that? And as DB10 said yesterday, Mustafi is the one running backwards and not looking where he's going. He runs into Aguero.

Its never a foul on Mustafi ... even Wenger, the man desperate for excuses, hasnt tried to claim that it was

[Nos89]

Whichever way you look at it Aguero pushed mustafi in the back, he played the player not the ball. He was looking at mustafi waiting for him to jump and then pushed him in the back. It's a foul, free kick.
Sane is offside throughout phase1, phase2 and still offside when the ball hit the net. You know the laws of the game. If we were 1-0 up before Aguero scored we would've cried foul, if we were 2-1 when kompany scored we'd have cried offside.
The fact that mustafi was very poor in defending, as was Koscielny, a majority of the players showed a lack of intent and passion to win the game, added to the team was set up poorly and lacked leadership shouldn't cover up that two of the goals city scored should've been disallowed.

Imagine it the other way around. Aguero is the defender and Musafi is the forward. Would you really give a free kick to a forward for that? And as DB10 said yesterday, Mustafi is the one running backwards and not looking where he's going. He runs into Aguero.

Its never a foul on Mustafi ... even Wenger, the man desperate for excuses, hasnt tried to claim that it was

Yes, mustafi was walking backwards but was pushed in the back by Aguero as he jumped. Aguero impeded mustafi.
I'm not going to dispute mustafi was weak and in the wrong position.
How many times has a free kick been given to the defender when a forward is backing in? It's the same situation just the wrong way round.

[Nos89]

If we were meant to win that cup final Kyle Walker would've scored an own goal but I bet Aubamayang would've been given offside and therefore goal disallowed.

[Herd]

Those that walked out were wrong. A lot of them would have been 'tourist' fans. All quick enough to snap up final tickets when there was glory to be had but fast enough to run early as to get the tube back to their hotel.

To suggest a protest element is nonsense, they left for personal reasons (obviously the score did not help). If it was a protest needed then they should have stayed till end and everyone could sing 'Wenger out'.

Empty seats may have looked good on TV but most fans of other clubs would just see it as Arsenal sulking at the defeat.

If anyone really believes it was a (proper) protest, then ask yourselves.....how many of them will march when the next official protest happens?

How are they wrong ,the team didn't show up so why waste time torturing yourself and then queuing at Wembley Park for hours ,when u can get out and home or to or tot he pub in reasonable time .
I don't think it was a protest at all, people had seen enough shit for one day and wanted to get home to drown their sorrows,no big deal and I hope the players were embarrassed because they should be.,but the wont the molly coddled cuntz

[xisstential]

Whichever way you look at it Aguero pushed mustafi in the back, he played the player not the ball. He was looking at mustafi waiting for him to jump and then pushed him in the back. It's a foul, free kick.
Sane is offside throughout phase1, phase2 and still offside when the ball hit the net. You know the laws of the game. If we were 1-0 up before Aguero scored we would've cried foul, if we were 2-1 when kompany scored we'd have cried offside.
The fact that mustafi was very poor in defending, as was Koscielny, a majority of the players showed a lack of intent and passion to win the game, added to the team was set up poorly and lacked leadership shouldn't cover up that two of the goals city scored should've been disallowed.

Imagine it the other way around. Aguero is the defender and Musafi is the forward. Would you really give a free kick to a forward for that? And as DB10 said yesterday, Mustafi is the one running backwards and not looking where he's going. He runs into Aguero.

Its never a foul on Mustafi ... even Wenger, the man desperate for excuses, hasnt tried to claim that it was

Yes, mustafi was walking backwards but was pushed in the back by Aguero as he jumped. Aguero impeded mustafi.
I'm not going to dispute mustafi was weak and in the wrong position.
How many times has a free kick been given to the defender when a forward is backing in? It's the same situation just the wrong way round.

Both goals should have been disallowed...our fiercely competitive warriors would then not have felt so betrayed by the cheating officials, we wouldn't have conceded the 3rd and would probably have gone on to win.

It's outrageous that we can be so cheated on such a big occasion. Our classy fair minded manager, never one for excuses, only gently pointed out the one injustice and not both...but isn't that just like him.

So proud of him & the team.

[Eboue-Why?]

Whichever way you look at it Aguero pushed mustafi in the back, he played the player not the ball. He was looking at mustafi waiting for him to jump and then pushed him in the back. It's a foul, free kick.
Sane is offside throughout phase1, phase2 and still offside when the ball hit the net. You know the laws of the game. If we were 1-0 up before Aguero scored we would've cried foul, if we were 2-1 when kompany scored we'd have cried offside.
The fact that mustafi was very poor in defending, as was Koscielny, a majority of the players showed a lack of intent and passion to win the game, added to the team was set up poorly and lacked leadership shouldn't cover up that two of the goals city scored should've been disallowed.

Imagine it the other way around. Aguero is the defender and Musafi is the forward. Would you really give a free kick to a forward for that? And as DB10 said yesterday, Mustafi is the one running backwards and not looking where he's going. He runs into Aguero.

Its never a foul on Mustafi ... even Wenger, the man desperate for excuses, hasnt tried to claim that it was

Yes, mustafi was walking backwards but was pushed in the back by Aguero as he jumped. Aguero impeded mustafi.
I'm not going to dispute mustafi was weak and in the wrong position.
How many times has a free kick been given to the defender when a forward is backing in? It's the same situation just the wrong way round.

Both goals should have been disallowed...our fiercely competitive warriors would then not have felt so betrayed by the cheating officials, we wouldn't have conceded the 3rd and would probably have gone on to win.

It's outrageous that we can be so cheated on such a big occasion. Our classy fair minded manager, never one for excuses, only gently pointed out the one injustice and not both...but isn't that just like him.

So proud of him & the team.

[DB10GOONER]

Someone is not taking this seriously at all...

[NickF]

Both goals should have been disallowed...our fiercely competitive warriors would then not have felt so betrayed by the cheating officials, we wouldn't have conceded the 3rd and would probably have gone on to win.

It's outrageous that we can be so cheated on such a big occasion. Our classy fair minded manager, never one for excuses, only gently pointed out the one injustice and not both...but isn't that just like him.

So proud of him & the team.

Could almost be from Untold-Arsenal.

[markyp]

Both goals should have been disallowed...our fiercely competitive warriors would then not have felt so betrayed by the cheating officials, we wouldn't have conceded the 3rd and would probably have gone on to win.

It's outrageous that we can be so cheated on such a big occasion. Our classy fair minded manager, never one for excuses, only gently pointed out the one injustice and not both...but isn't that just like him.

So proud of him & the team.

Could almost be from Untold-Arsenal.

regardless of citys two dubious(cough) goals, I think we had two shots off target the whole match,thats all we mustered so how anybody thinks we were fucked over by the ref and could have gone on to win this is beyond me,they need locking up along with TOF

[Bob Bayliss]

The lady reading the news just said that there was "barely a snowflake in sight" in the London area today.

Someone should have taken the cameras along to London Colney....