THE WENGER THREAD

[Redarmy]

Jeremy Wilson ✔@JWTelegraph
Arsene Wenger and Stan Kroenke have reached agreement on 2-yr contract. Due to be ratified by board shortly. Formal announcement tomorrow
12:20 PM - 30 May 2017

[Redarmy]

I find it hilarious we still have people excusing Kroenke because "he hasn't been here 13 years". Wow. What a simplistic viewpoint. I'm a manager, and when I move into a new area, the first thing I do is identify the performers and the non-performers - and I get rid of the non-performers (I usually dump them into IT with all the lazy geeks, nerds and virgins ). The fact those non-performers were sitting there doing fuck all or failing at their jobs for 5 or 10 years before I became their manager means fuck all - they go. It's called "best practice". And the vast majority of company owners and managers that want to succeed follow best practice religiously.

The only bit of hope I can take from all this is that this two year deal will be his last - and he mightn't even last the full 2 years. Why? Because he won't change. We will progressivley get worse under him as other teams improve and we will slide down the PL table a spot or two at a time to the point where the fulcrum will finally swing with more fans turning on him, attendances dropping, the protests growing, the press attacking him more regularly with less flip flopping, and eventually he will get in a huff with all of us ungrateful bastards and he will walk out to spite us.

Or he'll be here for the next 5 or 10 years.

Even with all the Negative Press - The Protests - The Excellent Anti-Wenger Publicity etc I have still been Preparing myself for him to stay on for at least another 1 , or most likely 2 years. In the event that he did leave (which I do not believe he will) It would come as a HUGE Shock.

And in preparing for him to stay, I have also been preparing to say 'Goodbye To Arsenal FC', because I know 1,000% I cannot waste any more of my time, energy and emotions on this hopeless situation that will eventually collapse because there are non-football people (The Board) running the club, lead from the front by someone whom I once genuinely admired, but who has become blinded by their past successes and the power he has now been given to do what he likes when he likes.

I am genuinely sad, but know I will be more sad by time all this shite is over and done with, because they have stolen my club, my team and made it something less than a Football Club and Team and more a business that uses football as an excuse to make many, many, many millions of pounds year in year out, even though the methods they are employing are slowly destroying the club ethos and history, all for the sake of Profit.

I feel exactly the same way mate. Well said.

The destroying the club thing is the thing that never gets mentioned in the media when talking about Arsenal. Its all how the club is run the right way, how Wenger has done a great job, worked so hard, shown loyalty and dedication etc. And how he deserves respect because of all this. How is has earned the right to decide when he leaves ffs!

It ignores the damage that Wenger and others have done to the club in recent years. It ignores that 2/3 of Wenger's reign has seen failure on the pitch yet he still seems to believe he has a divine right to manage the club, while the owner is only there to make a profit.

yes can add me to that also, affecting my health and sanity, really believe he will be around for many years to come........

[Redarmy]

I still think that he is going, but I have to admit that I am not as sure as I was - what that basically translates into, is that I was sure he was leaving before Saturdays win, but now I am shitting myself that the euphoria of the manner of the victory will spare the c.unt

It certainly won't hurt his case, but honestly augie, I think the deal was done months ago and Saturday was only the cream on the cake for Wenger/Kroenke. Even if we had lost 3-0 he'd still be offered, and would sign, a new deal. I am convinced of that, buddy...

When the one man with the power to not offer the deal, and the power to sack him, is not a football man, then you are doomed as a club.

I understand why you say and believe that, but if the deal was done months ago, why has it not been signed and announced yet ? If the c.unt is staying it would have sent a strong message to the players that the c.unt still has the backing of the club and if they don't agree then they will be out, plus it would send a strong message to potential recruits that the guy that is trying to sign them, will be there for at least two years. Business wise (as many of you keep alluding is the priority) it makes zero sense to drag this out as long unless there is no agreement in place that is acceptable to wenker
The one proviso I would add to that, is that it is possible that the club wouldn't announce the deal because of the potential negative impact it would have on the futures of sanchez and ozil

FFS you have seen the board, a spineless bunch of self serving toadies.....any thoughts on doing things correctly are long gone i am afraid.....

[Redarmy]

Arsene Wenger has informed Stan Kroenke of his decision to remain Arsenal manager.
The news will be relayed to the Gunners board at Tuesday's crunch meeting.
It means - unless there's a dramatic U-turn - Wenger will sign a new two-year contract.


He has told them he's staying......as we thought long been agreed just wanted confirming from Wenger, so he kept everyone waiting with his vanity games....what a total wanker...and he says he loves the club

[MrT]

That's my lot. I'm calling it a day. Won't bother watching or following, time to find something more worthwhile to do than watch this fraudulent wiry old c*nt patronise me and embarrass the club for another 2 years.

[Derek Acorah]

Wenger has been given the two year extension as everyone expected. All the legit journos running the story so they have been briefed.

This is fantastic news for us rival fans but boy, I feel sorry for you lot.

AFTV is going to be gold next season!

[Retro Gunner]

I have been one of those who have never been in doubt that he would sign a new contract. I'm perhaps now less convinced that it was as cut and dried as I imagined, because there do appear to be strong suggestions of some boardroom dissent. However, I don't think for a minute, that the dissenters had or have any chance of success, as Stan is, unfortunately, the man and there's a love in with him and Arsene. Added to which, the performance on Saturday has cemented the Old Fraud's position even more firmly. "Overall" , I share the opinion SteveO has expressed above.

All that said, I suspect that it hasn't been quite as straightforward and as black and white as that. We'll never know the true complexities but the possible situations are :

1. Wenger never had any doubt about staying and the decision was always his. This was my default position, because his ego and greed would never see him walk away. He also, on his own admission, has nothing else in his life and he'd never get a high profile job anywhere else.

However, I have a feeling that the run of poor form AND the protests, had a bigger effect on him than any of us imagined. This was compounded by the failure to get top 4. While I don't think he would walk even if he got us relegated, it has shaken him to have his "infallibility" questioned and he's been desperately waiting for the justification to re-sign without public acrimony. Saturday has given them that.

2. Kroenke and the board have always intended for him to stay, but as SteveO had said, they found themselves in a position where our dreadful form made an announcement very difficult. Ordinarily, they would have adopted their "fuck you" approach to the support and announced it anyway, but I think that the protests and the general air of toxicity that they helped stoke, put the board in a very awkward position. As in the case above, it wouldn't have prevented the contract, but they've been desperately waiting for a positive climate in which to announce it.

3. There has been....probably in light of our crap season and the same old failures.....strong elements on the board that want a change, probably headed by Ivan. I've come to wonder if this hasn't just been the usual smoke and mirrors, but was a genuine element of the last 3 or 4 months. While the dissenters would not have the power to see him gone, they may well have had a strong case for forcing structural management upon the Fraud....which might have seen him walk. Again, Saturday has scuppered any hope.

All pointless speculation really and we'll never know the truth, but rest assured he's staying. There are some posters on here who present very coherent arguments and views and whose opinions I respect, but I was surprised that two or three of them thought that the Cup Final result was an irrelevance, so we might as well get behind the team. That view was naive. I'm not suggesting that Wenger would have been finished if we'd lost, but the situation was far more nuanced than that. The victory (and in fairness, the style of it) has dramatically emboldened him, it will reassure Kroenke and the board and I t has set the anti Wenger movement back at least a year. The akb acolytes are strident again, the fence sitters are now convinced he deserves another chance and even if next season is the disaster most of us can foresee, don't expect voluble protests to gather any momentum. That's now probably on ice until the season after next. As in 2014, he's bought himself time.

I thought before the game that a hammering was in the long term best interest of the Club. Once the game started and once the team came out fighting, I too was swept along, cheering us on, but the minute it finished, I knew we were fucked for at least two more years.

The modern day Arsenal supporter.....a mix of of paradoxical Andy contradictory hopes and fears.

[MrT]

Wenger has been given the two year extension as everyone expected. All the legit journos running the story so they have been briefed.

This is fantastic news for us rival fans but boy, I feel sorry for you lot.

AFTV is going to be gold next season!

Fuck off you filthy manc rat.

[xgtdec]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... an-cup-win

oh dear, just as Arsenes signature goes dry!

[Redarmy]

there you go......


Arsene Wenger verbally agreed a new two-year contract with Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke at yesterday's meeting.

It will be rubber-stamped by the board today & announced tomorrow.

[DB10GOONER]

I feel kind of... empty... I mean, I fucking knew in my heart he was staying, but somewhere inside me there was this burning bit of hope that he'd just go... 2 more years of the same old same old... I love The Arsenal, up until my wife and kids came on the scene it was the biggest part of my life and now it makes me feel just empty...

[DB10GOONER]

Wenger has been given the two year extension as everyone expected. All the legit journos running the story so they have been briefed.

This is fantastic news for us rival fans but boy, I feel sorry for you lot.

AFTV is going to be gold next season!

Fuck off you filthy manc rat.

Cool your jets, mate. We allow a few fans of other clubs on here once they don't take the piss. And he hasn't said anything you haven't said yourself on here.

[Redarmy]

When the dust settles and everyone has come back down to earth it will become apparent that winning the FA Cup will be the worst thing to have ever happened to this club, if he stays that is, which is looking increasingly likely. It has given him massive leverage in his contract negotiations. Wenger was on the ropes in 2014 and the Cup saved his bacon, it's happened again.

absolutely, some on her saying would make no difference... thats vastly underrating the master spin doctor Wenger

[Redarmy]

Wenger has been given the two year extension as everyone expected. All the legit journos running the story so they have been briefed.

This is fantastic news for us rival fans but boy, I feel sorry for you lot.

AFTV is going to be gold next season!

Fuck off you filthy manc rat.

Cool your jets, mate. We allow a few fans of other clubs on here once they don't take the piss. And he hasn't said anything you haven't said yourself on here.

always seems to pop up at unappropriate times, just coincidence

[MrT]

Wenger has been given the two year extension as everyone expected. All the legit journos running the story so they have been briefed.

This is fantastic news for us rival fans but boy, I feel sorry for you lot.

AFTV is going to be gold next season!

Fuck off you filthy manc rat.

Cool your jets, mate. We allow a few fans of other clubs on here once they don't take the piss. And he hasn't said anything you haven't said yourself on here.

He comes on here specifically to troll at times when something shitty is happening and then you never see him again. Can't you see he is a wum?