THE WENGER THREAD

[dPmunky]

Even if we buy three top players - (Goalkeeper, Centre Back and Striker would be my choices), we still have the problem of them not being coached properly; not being organised for set pieces, not effectively getting into the box for counter attacks, not tracking back properly, not marking properly etc.

THIS!

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[augie]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... 0m-1721140

Too little, too late. The guy has to go.

What concerns me is that it suggests unwavering support which hints more towards the contract extension rather than to a change of manager I mean if he was going in 2014 then why would you give him as much as 70m to spend ? The senile old c**t aint going anywhere anytime soon

[QuartzGooner]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... 0m-1721140

Too little, too late. The guy has to go.

What concerns me is that it suggests unwavering support which hints more towards the contract extension rather than to a change of manager I mean if he was going in 2014 then why would you give him as much ead:

What made you think Wenger was going anywhere soon?

Kronke loves him.

[arseofacrow]

The only way Wenger will leave prior to 2014 is if he resigns. No question. It doesn't matter what Wenger does now, he appears to have lost the plot and forgotten what it takes to win the League in England. The majority of his most successful players were developed elsewhere and his ability to bring in young players and good value players looks to have dramatically disappeared - probably partly because of other clubs catching up.

[highburyJD]

MM99 sorry did you say almost his own squad ? can you read my post again and look at what i said and by the way was the invincibles just about the end of our run under wenger coz after that he did use all his own players and look where we are now !

THE BOYS CRACKED IT!!! This is why we haven't won anything!

Apart from Bergkamp I can't think of one player that was at Arsenal before Wenger started in the 2004 season.

Keown and Parlour?

History:
In '04 Keown hardly played, he only just got his medal with sympathy sub appearances
(he did make an absolutely key contribution in '02, which is more than any other GG defenders can say)
In 04 Parlour was involved but was 6th choice midfielder and didn't score a goal

Attributing Parlour's strength to George Graham is disingenuous, he was average till Wenger arrived

Obviously the Invincibles where 99% a Wenger construct, a cursory glance at the team tell you that
even the '02 side was mostly Wenger signings

Almost all trophies are won by managers using 'other people's players'
Mourinho never stays anywhere long enough to have bought the whole squad: can his career be dismissed?

[Blade]

Parlour was never 'ball winner' midfielder, he had a lot of energy
But at best average.

In e mold of Kelly,Storey,Nicholas,Price,Tabot,Gatting,Thomas..

[highburyJD]

In '98 I thought Parlour was brilliant

[QuartzGooner]

Excellent letter by @henrywinter in today's Telegraph; takes Kronke to task on Wenger.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -loss.html

[OneBardGooner]

Even if we buy three top players - (Goalkeeper, Centre Back and Striker would be my choices), we still have the problem of them not being coached properly; not being organised for set pieces, not effectively getting into the box for counter attacks, not tracking back properly, not marking properly etc.

THAT is Exactly it Quartz....Carzola is a world class player - But thanks to wenker he is gradually made to look less and less with each game...Arshavin in his first few games was @magic'...loook waht happened to him...I don't think it's any coincidence that Sagna has become a shadow of his former self...or that TV5 who showed great leadership qualities and wasa very focused player...has become pretty average at best.....

It is all down to Wenker....Robson has said that Bouldy is not allowed to coach the defence, and why not?...He is an expert in defensive play...


We sign some very good players and what does wenker do...play them in every position but the one they do best..and then they gardually fade, lose confidence etc etc etc

All because wenker is a despot who thinks and believes he knows better than anyone else in football. You can buy the best car, or whatever in the world, but if you're not a very good driver the car will not give its best...this applies to Wenker who needs to FUCK OFF! because he will NEVER admit to being WRONG.

[augie]

Excellent letter by @henrywinter in today's Telegraph; takes Kronke to task on Wenger.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -loss.html

That is indeed an excellent letter I seem to remember winter half questioning wenger's decision on Sunday supplement a few months ago but I am shocked at the directness of that piece He tackles most of the key issues (with the exceptions of coaching, delegating and signing of gervinho's ) and also very much defends the fans for their feeling the way they do now re wenger. That being said it could also be taken from those comments, that he feel's that our fans are too quiet and accept this shit too easily when we should be more vociferous in our protests.....I make him right on that point too

[Wengerball]

Not seen its mentioned so far but

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21530212


Arsene Wenger 'safe regardless of Arsenal's Champions League fate'
By David Ornstein BBC Sport
Comments (84)

Arsene Wenger will attend Arsenal's monthly board meeting on Thursday but his future is not on the agenda.

It is understood the club have no intention of sacking Wenger, even if they fail to qualify for next season's Champions League.

The manager retains the unequivocal support of majority shareholder Stan Kroenke and his fellow directors.

Kroenke was at Tuesday's 3-1 Champions League defeat against Bayern Munich and is attending the board meeting.

Any decision over Wenger's future rests with the Frenchman himself - he is under contract until 2014 and Arsenal would be prepared to offer him a new deal if he wants to extend a reign that began in 1996.

There will be no out-of-the-ordinary show of support at the board meeting because the support is already there - Wenger and the board are united and agreed on what they are trying to achieve and what needs to be done to get there.

They recognise the shortcomings of the team and understand the concern of Arsenal supporters, but the club are adamant they are putting the structures in place to compete with Europe's biggest teams in the near future.

Arsenal are facing a battle to qualify for next season's Champions League. They sit fifth in the Premier League, four points adrift of the final qualification spot, which is currently occupied by neighbours Tottenham.

They have not won a trophy since beating Manchester United on penalties to lift the FA Cup in 2005, and hopes of silverware this season have all but disappeared.

Wenger's side were knocked out of the Capital One Cup by League Two side Bradford in December and suffered a home defeat by Blackburn in the FA Cup fifth round on Saturday.
Arsenal 2005 FA Cup

Arsenal won the FA Cup in 2005, their last trophy

Their chances of reaching the Champions League quarter-finals were severely dented with Tuesday's 3-1 first-leg defeat by Bayern.

Arsenal's move from Highbury to Emirates Stadium in 2006 restricted their spending power - and they did not anticipate the impact that cash-rich clubs such as Chelsea and Manchester City would have on football's markets.

But the first instalment of a new shirt sponsorship deal will contribute to a fund of around £70m for new signings this summer.

The club will also be boosted by fresh Premier League TV deals, which will give each club around an extra £30m per season from this summer.

They are also expected to move on a number of fringe players to free up money for new signings, with Andrey Arshavin and Sebastien Squillaci out of contract at the end of the season and Marouane Chamakh and Nicklas Bendtner also likely to leave.

Arsenal's pursuit of Barcelona striker David Villa in the January transfer window - which came to nothing because the Catalan club refused to sell - indicate they are ready to spend significantly.

The Gunners hierarchy are confident they have the resources to attract top-quality signings even if they miss out on next season's Champions League, although accept that would make the task harder.


Hes not going anywhere folks- best to start preparing for SteveOs barbeque

[rodders999]

he feel's that our fans are too quiet and accept this sh1t too easily when we should be more vociferous in our protests.....I make him right on that point too

That is the most baffling thing to me about this whole sorry mess -

How so many, can be so content, with such mediocrity.

My Arsenal supporting friends think I am completely and utterly off my rocker for wanting rid of Wenger, they honestly think I'm derranged. They don't seem upset or angry about what's going on with the club, they're genuinely happy with their lot. Wenger can do no worng are they are 100% convinced he will turn things around.

Blows my tiny little mind

[Steve_I]

he feel's that our fans are too quiet and accept this sh1t too easily when we should be more vociferous in our protests.....I make him right on that point too

That is the most baffling thing to me about this whole sorry mess -

How so many, can be so content, with such mediocrity.

My Arsenal supporting friends think I am completely and utterly off my rocker for wanting rid of Wenger, they honestly think I'm derranged. They don't seem upset or angry about what's going on with the club, they're genuinely happy with their lot. Wenger can do no worng are they are 100% convinced he will turn things around.

Blows my tiny little mind

While fearing more abuse I'd say this - I believe things will turn around. I believe that, if i could move the clock forward 10 years, 20 years 30 years, there will be one and only one team definitely up there challenging and that will be Arsenal simply becuase of how things are being run and the foundations laid at this present time. To me it's as simple as that. Of no other team can I or anyone else say that about for certainty. Only Arsenal can be sure they will be able to be challenging. That's where I sit as someone who does not understand how people can want him gone.

[VoiceOfReason]

I believe that, if i could move the clock forward 10 years, 20 years 30 years, there will be one and only one team definitely up there challenging and that will be Arsenal.

I've documented this before, but one of the major symptoms of those suffering from the AKB illness is their belief in 'forward-looking statements' - i.e. 'it will all be okay tomorrow, just wait and see'. Of course, this is never based on any specific set of facts, moreso just a feeling. AW, the cult leader, is at the forefront of this line of thinking. "Judge me in May"! "This is the best squad I've ever assembled, just wait and see"! "I'm convinced we'll win a trophy this year"! Again, the evidence is entirely to the contrary, but as long as people maintain this blind faith, groundhog day will continue to reign supreme.

[rodders999]

Myles Palmer has a great saying about Wenger in that he is the greatest man in history at selling the future. The best of times are always just around the corner. Thousands still believe but for me tomorrow never comes.