UFOs - yes or no?

[OneBardGooner]

OBG, re: beyond the five senses. I was once viewing a youtube clip on a forum and read through the comments. I noticed that nobody had referred to seeing some disturing subliminal messaging happeing. I left a message and another reader slowed the video down several dozen times and, sure enough, he validated what I had seen.
When asked how I saw it, I could only reply that it was my third eye.


Quartz. re: Kenneth Willaims and the soul leaving the body. I have read somewhere that it may have something to do with the solar plexus?

The 'Hara' - the place of the Life Energy Force (or what Castaneda refers to as The Fibre's) is said to be at the Solar Plexus. I don't think it is any coincidence that that is also the place where we are initially connected to life (connected to our Mothers) by our umbilical cord.

[Top Londoner]

OBG, re: beyond the five senses. I was once viewing a youtube clip on a forum and read through the comments. I noticed that nobody had referred to seeing some disturing subliminal messaging happeing. I left a message and another reader slowed the video down several dozen times and, sure enough, he validated what I had seen.
When asked how I saw it, I could only reply that it was my third eye.


Quartz. re: Kenneth Willaims and the soul leaving the body. I have read somewhere that it may have something to do with the solar plexus?

The 'Hara' - the place of the Life Energy Force (or what Castaneda refers to as The Fibre's) is said to be at the Solar Plexus. I don't think it is any coincidence that that is also the place where we are initially connected to life (connected to our Mothers) by our umbilical cord.

Nice one OBG. The Chakra

[QuartzGooner]

DB10 and Flash

OneBard has answered most of your criticism of my post but:

Whilst memories can be altered subconsciously, I know that I had that precognition of Kenneth Williams's death.
I remember waking up in bed thinking it around 3am.
When I got up later in the morning the news had not broken.
It was 1988, pre-mass internet, and no newspaper, radio, TV or Teletext service carried that news that morning.
It broke about lunchtime, and when I heard it it shook me.

As for me having since "Found Out" that some of the soul travels in other realms during sleep?
Yes, it is belief, until science "proves it".
To date is has not been disproved either.
My information comes from mystical writings of my religion; some by an 18th century Rabbi called Moshe Chaim Luzatto.

[g88ner]

As for me having since "Found Out" that some of the soul travels in other realms during sleep?
Yes, it is belief, until science "proves it".
To date is has not been disproved either.
My information comes from mystical writings of my religion; some by an 18th century Rabbi called Moshe Chaim Luzatto.

Well, no. Science hasn't progressed to that extent yet. And, if we're honest, proving the existence of something is one thing, but if souls and the afterlife don't exist, I reckon science will have an almost impossible job of proving the absence of it to such a level of confidence to satisfy people of strong belief.

Off the top of my head (and I could be wrong) but despite the quite overwhelming scientific evidence, don't some people still have an issue with the existence of dinosaurs? and isn't one well respected view that God buried dinosaur bones on earth to test people's faith? - if so, I'm sure you can agree that science has, at best, an uphill battle and, at worst, an impossible job of convincing everyone.

Anyway, I found your posts interesting - I do accept that the human brain is an incredible instrument that goes far beyond our current understanding - and perhaps that's often the problem. People are experiencing genuine unexplained, personal events that science can't yet explain, so people tend to jump to conclusions that could (and probably are) wildly off the mark, just as - in ancient times - epilepsy was considered "a curse", the work of an evil spirit ... of course now, once science has caught up, we can dismiss these wild uneducated claims.

But that's the beauty of science... we're getting their slowly, and many things that were considered magical or impossible hundreds of years ago (flying, space travel, television, the telephone, etc) are now part of our every day lives and testament to the achievements of mankind.

Yes, there's still plenty yet to discover and understand, but that's the journey we're on. Each generation builds on the knowledge of the previous, and that's how we progress - incrementally and logically. And with that in mind, perhaps ancient texts should be looked upon suspiciously, as they were written at a time when science was in its relative infancy, and as such are likely to be inconsistent with current understanding.

[QuartzGooner]

G88ner

In general, science does progress through generations.

But not always, because not all existing knowledge is retained by those who control the scientific canon, either through mistake, prejudice, or malevolancy.
There may be cures for certain diseases, but these are less profitable than the sale of pharmaceuticals that control rather than cure a condition?

Take Onebard's treatment for an injury by Native American shamans for example.

Not sure what that injury was, but he was cured after one treatment.
Could Western medicine have done the same?

[Herd]

The 'Hara' - the place of the Life Energy Force (or what Castaneda refers to as The Fibre's) is said to be at the Solar Plexus. I don't think it is any coincidence that that is also the place where we are initially connected to life (connected to our Mothers) by our umbilical cordo.

Respect to anyone who has read Carlos Castaneda ,been years since I have !

[OneBardGooner]

G88ner

In general, science does progress through generations.

But not always, because not all existing knowledge is retained by those who control the scientific canon, either through mistake, prejudice, or malevolancy.
There may be cures for certain diseases, but these are less profitable than the sale of pharmaceuticals that control rather than cure a condition?

Take Onebard's treatment for an injury by Native American shamans for example.

Not sure what that injury was, but he was cured after one treatment.
Could Western medicine have done the same?

It was a lower vertabrae that kept 'popping out of alignment' was the term both the specialist (surgeon) and the McTimoney Chiropractor used....I had damaged a deep lying muscle on one side - that acts as a lever for flexion between the torso and the upper leg, also the alignment of the spine (Spinial erectors)...it is deep within the torso (behind the stomach muscles etc) and so very difficult to get to - for massage/manipulation etc...I was meant to have surgery upon my return to the UK...so it (for me) seemed like timely intervention.

I have (since the healing) done much reading and investigation into - 'Healing' (all kinds from all kinds of cultures) and from a Shaman's point of view - btw: It is Spirit/Great Spirit that does the actual healing, the Shaman is there as a conduit between the human/physical world and that of Spirit , but they are there by choice and act with 'Will' (as in will power and intentionality)...anyway from a Shamanic perspective - they do not 'treat' specific maladies/injuries or illnesses - they attend to the whole 'self'..and part of this involves 'Soul/Essence retrieval' - as I mentioned in a earlier post - when someone suffers a 'Trauma' of any kind - it is not unusual for them to experience Soul Loss - a bit of their essential self can break off, and the Shaman in partnership with Spirit - retrieves that loss soul part and (literally) 'Blows' It Back Into The Person.

I was very young and naive when this happened - but without my saying or explaining anything to the Shaman - about a serious trauma I had undergone some 6 months earlier - he spoke of an 'incident' that he couldn't possibly have known about, and yet it was bang smack on the nail - and as I said, the pain I had been in, the discomfort, the 'problem' disappeared overnight, I can only speak from personal experience, but in the research I have done these past 35 years since, I have spoken with numerous people who have similar stories to tell.

Also it isn't uncommon for each of us to have (literally) an achilles heel - some people have a dodgy knee, or suffer with Migraines, or IBS or whatever - it is quite rare for an individual not to have a particular recurring problem.....and this is often an indicator of 'Loss of Essence'.

[the playing mantis]

obg, i have had a lower back nigggle for a few months that i have finally decided to get sorted, im seeing a specialist next friday, however im in SW us in nov/dec so maybe if you give me the name of your shaman, i can get him to fix it up, and save my company some money on the health scheme!?!

seriously, very interesting stuff, all beyond me unfortunately. as regards healing, i wonder how much is in the mind and subconscious. if the mind believe we are better, maybe the body respnds in kind. like wise if the mind doesnt belivee something is painful any longer then it isnt. do you think your healing experience could be a case of mind over matter somewhat, that your mind saw the someone healing you, and convinced you that you were healed. a sort of placebo kind of thing perhaps. i just think the mind has an awful lot to do with pain and minor ailments (not big things like cancer though).

rearding this premonition thing, ive never had anything like that, but something that could be considered a bit similar, but is probaly just a massive coincidence. this summer or last (i cannot remember, i was laid up with yet another knee injury) lieing in the garden rading a 'readers digest' type coffee table book on mysterys and i came to a secion on some india/or srilankan, healer/guru/minor religious leader, read that section and carried on. thast evening on the news as a minor bit it mentioned that so and so had died today. now i had never heard of this bloke before (cant remember his name, think he wore orange and was a sikh) but it was a bit odd that the first time i came across him completely by chance, that night i found out he died. coincidence but a weird one.

[flash gunner]

I was very young and naive when this happened - but without my saying or explaining anything to the Shaman - about a serious trauma I had undergone some 6 months earlier - he spoke of an 'incident' that he couldn't possibly have known about, and yet it was bang smack on the nail - and as I said, the pain I had been in, the discomfort, the 'problem' disappeared overnight, I can only speak from personal experience, but in the research I have done these past 35 years since, I have spoken with numerous people who have similar stories to tell.

I can't explain how he made you feel better OBG but don't you think that if you had some deep laying pain that saying you had a trauma was a pretty safe bet for the shamen? This is what im saying earlier is that when we want things so badly we hear what we want to hear, ie. mediums etc....

I not knocking anyone with my views here just voicing what i think regarding ghosts, shamen, dream/soul travel and all the other subjects discussed here

[OneBardGooner]

I was very young and naive when this happened - but without my saying or explaining anything to the Shaman - about a serious trauma I had undergone some 6 months earlier - he spoke of an 'incident' that he couldn't possibly have known about, and yet it was bang smack on the nail - and as I said, the pain I had been in, the discomfort, the 'problem' disappeared overnight, I can only speak from personal experience, but in the research I have done these past 35 years since, I have spoken with numerous people who have similar stories to tell.

I can't explain how he made you feel better OBG but don't you think that if you had some deep laying pain that saying you had a trauma was a pretty safe bet for the shamen? This is what im saying earlier is that when we want things so badly we hear what we want to hear, ie. mediums etc....

I not knocking anyone with my views here just voicing what i think regarding ghosts, shamen, dream/soul travel and all the other subjects discussed here

[OneBardGooner]

obg, i have had a lower back nigggle for a few months that i have finally decided to get sorted, im seeing a specialist next friday, however im in SW us in nov/dec so maybe if you give me the name of your shaman, i can get him to fix it up, and save my company some money on the health scheme!?!

seriously, very interesting stuff, all beyond me unfortunately. as regards healing, i wonder how much is in the mind and subconscious. if the mind believe we are better, maybe the body respnds in kind. like wise if the mind doesnt belivee something is painful any longer then it isnt. do you think your healing experience could be a case of mind over matter somewhat, that your mind saw the someone healing you, and convinced you that you were healed. a sort of placebo kind of thing perhaps. i just think the mind has an awful lot to do with pain and minor ailments (not big things like cancer though).

rearding this premonition thing, ive never had anything like that, but something that could be considered a bit similar, but is probaly just a massive coincidence. this summer or last (i cannot remember, i was laid up with yet another knee injury) lieing in the garden rading a 'readers digest' type coffee table book on mysterys and i came to a secion on some india/or srilankan, healer/guru/minor religious leader, read that section and carried on. thast evening on the news as a minor bit it mentioned that so and so had died today. now i had never heard of this bloke before (cant remember his name, think he wore orange and was a sikh) but it was a bit odd that the first time i came across him completely by chance, that night i found out he died. coincidence but a weird one.

Hi, TPM,

The Shaman/Medicine man that did the healing - was in his late 70's then (Over 30 years ago) so I don't know if he will still be alive. Also it was on the Navajo Reservation - even today you might get into some serious trouble trespassing on their land without permission, I was helping someone (two of their people) get back home, and then was 'invited' to stay as a guest - which for a white person was VERY unusual.

However, I do have an idea, that may be of assistance so I will PM you the details etc and see what you think.

[flash gunner]

The Shaman/Medicine man that did the healing - was in his late 70's then (Over 30 years ago) so I don't know if he will still be alive.

Surely being over 100 years old is nothing to someone with such powers!!!

i am only joking

[OneBardGooner]

The Shaman/Medicine man that did the healing - was in his late 70's then (Over 30 years ago) so I don't know if he will still be alive.

Surely being over 100 years old is nothing to someone with such powers!!!

i am only joking

I did meet someone of whom it was claimed, was 106 years of age once . so who knows!?...seriously though...in (proper) answer to what you say...It is my understanding that the "Power" does not lie with the 'healer' but with the spirit/s...as far as I know...But I guess the best person to ask would be a Shamanic Practitioner (ie: one who practises / does Shamanic Healing / Shamanism)

btw: The term 'Shaman' is not one that is 'claimed' or 'taken on ' by the person, but is a term of veneration that is 'Bestowed' by their community.

I have always been wary of those who give themselves 'titles' such a Guru, or Shaman or whatever, - I read somewhere that the term shaman - originates from Siberia...and is pronounced Shah Man ( as in Shall) not Shame.

There are (now) many Shamanic Practitioners in the UK - especially since it's resurgence within the healing/alternative therapies community. So one doesn't have to live in a cave or in the middle of a desert to be an accomplished healer...at least I hope not.

[OneBardGooner]

The Shaman/Medicine man that did the healing - was in his late 70's then (Over 30 years ago) so I don't know if he will still be alive.

Surely being over 100 years old is nothing to someone with such powers!!!

i am only joking

I think you might enjoy reading some of the earlier Carlos Castaneda books....The first one "A Separate Realty" would be a good place to start and take it from there...His 'Teacher' was an 80 - 90 year old man (Don Juan) - who could do extra-ordinary feats - and was far more able than his 24 yr old 'student/apprentice'....so who knows...?

[the playing mantis]

thanks for the pm obg, must admit i wasnt being totally serious, just pointing out a pretty obtuse coincidence, in that a i am seeing someone to fix my back soon, dare say it will just be assigned to a physio to strenghten the area and told to build up my core, rather than anything serious (hopefully) (as the niggle hasnt stopped me doing anything, indeed i have been weekend wiggoing it 160k's last few weekends and it didnt impact that, its just become overly annoying now not to feel 'right' in the lower back area), and also going to SW USA soon (Nevada), so ties in with your back fix kind of (ie, back issue, SW USA). but will bear in mind your links if nothing improves with convential stuff! ta