United Game away

[SteveO 35]

Am I allowed to do the......

THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

...bit tonight ?

[King Henry]

Tactics were all wrong.

Why play 2 DM against Man Utd?

The 2 DM's worked very well against Napoli and is supposed to prevent us getting counter attacked while letting the front 4 play with more freedom. The problem today was that Ozil, Cazorla and Ramsey were all poor. I think we looked afraid of getting beat and also maybe quite tired, especially as the likes of Ramsey have played Chelsea, Liverpool, Dortmund and now United in the space of 11 days.

I think if we had kept it at 0-0 until half time in the 2nd half United would have had to commit more forward as they needed the win more than us and that's when we would have capitalised as we have in many other away games recently. The goal from the set piece cost us and after that it was us who had to go for it which played into United's hands especially as we had no options from the bench.

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

Todays game was so similar to the Chelski game. We were just not good enough to match UTD's midfield defending. Also another shite game from Ozil.

[officepest]

It was him who said it Topgoon......not me

Title ambitions

Sometimes only an emoticon can convey what I want to say and also it stops me from going off on one.

Office Pest seriously it's November and as you said our sub striker was Barry the useless bender...title ambitions I don't think so.

Just to clarify - I do not think we have a realistic shot at the title, I was attempting to be sarcastic. It appears I failed

[SteveO 35]

"We were just too nervous in the first half," said the Arsenal manager.

"We haven't won for a long time here now. Once again it is a tight game that has been decided on a set-piece."

Yes, we were too nervous as predicted in a big game which is why your time was up long long ago loser

How many 8-2 defeats have Ferguson, Mourinho, Benitez, Klopp, or Guardiola presided over?

An utterly shameful chapter in the history of a once great club that should have seen him dismissed instantly. Instead the same old loser leads a team so mentally scarred by that defeat into the same place, with the same tame old approach time and time again

[g88ner]

"We were just too nervous in the first half," said the Arsenal manager.

"We haven't won for a long time here now. Once again it is a tight game that has been decided on a set-piece."

Yes, we were too nervous as predicted in a big game which is why your time was up long long ago loser

How many 8-2 defeats have Ferguson, Mourinho, Benitez, Klopp, or Guardiola presided over?

An utterly shameful chapter in the history of a once great club that should have seen him dismissed instantly. Instead the same old loser leads a team so mentally scarred by that defeat into the same place, with the same tame old approach time and time again

If you want to play that game, how many invincible seasons have they resided over? - hardly conclusive proof of anything, but neither is yours. All of them have probably had horror results in their career.

Anyway, Fergie lost 6-1 at home to Citeh. I'd say that's worse, wouldn't you?

The 8-2 was a horror show but it was a freak. As was Fergie's 6-1. You're making more of it than is necessary.

[augie]

"We were just too nervous in the first half," said the Arsenal manager.

"We haven't won for a long time here now. Once again it is a tight game that has been decided on a set-piece."

Yes, we were too nervous as predicted in a big game which is why your time was up long long ago loser

How many 8-2 defeats have Ferguson, Mourinho, Benitez, Klopp, or Guardiola presided over?

An utterly shameful chapter in the history of a once great club that should have seen him dismissed instantly. Instead the same old loser leads a team so mentally scarred by that defeat into the same place, with the same tame old approach time and time again

If you want to play that game, how many invincible seasons have they resided over? - hardly conclusive proof of anything, but neither is yours. All of them have probably had horror results in their career.

Anyway, Fergie lost 6-1 at home to Citeh. I'd say that's worse, wouldn't you?

The 8-2 was a horror show but it was a freak. As was Fergie's 6-1. You're making more of it than is necessary.

Didn't ferguscum win the league title at the end of that season ? A team that is successful and challenging for all the top trophies every season, can be forgiven for having a poor day at the office and we do not fall into that category

Haven't seen the game so can't comment on the specifics but, with the exception of Giroud, I can't accept this tired or fatigued bullshit - have our players played more games than the mancs ? Giroud I can accept as he frequently plays an isolated position where he is expected to continually "lead the line" but the rest of the team have no such excuses.

[Red Gunner]

In the end this game was a tale of 2 c**ts.

"He said no, Super Nik!"

[g88ner]

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Anyway, Fergie lost 6-1 at home to Citeh. I'd say that's worse, wouldn't you?

The 8-2 was a horror show but it was a freak. As was Fergie's 6-1. You're making more of it than is necessary.

Didn't ferguscum win the league title at the end of that season ? A team that is successful and challenging for all the top trophies every season, can be forgiven for having a poor day at the office and we do not fall into that category

No Augie, Citeh won it that season

Anyway, that's not the point. Freak results happen from time to time. SteveO asked how many games Fergie lost 8-2, but surely losing at home 6-1 against your city rivals is worse than our hammering at OT. I know I'd be feeling worse if we'd lost at home to Sp*rs 6-1 especially if they went on to win the league like Citeh

[QuartzGooner]

Haven't seen the game so can't comment on the specifics but, with the exception of Giroud, I can't accept this tired or fatigued bullshit - have our players played more games than the mancs ?

Based on what?
Your perception of how a player should feel physically based on what he is paid?

If you saw the game, you would have seen that we had a tired look about us, missing a spring in our step.
There was little in the way of energy until Wilshere and then Gnabry came on.

A hard fought away trip to Dortmund plus flights there and back will take it out of anyone, regardless if they are a fat slob or a super fit athlete.

We have had a lot of injuries and it has lead to players playing more than they might have if more of our squad was fit, an intense run of games in a short time period.
No amount of money can change the players' energy levels.

With Rosicky and Mertesacker out through illness, I also wonder if there was a bug going round the squad?

There were other reasons for our loss, but tiredness impacts us more than other teams because of the way we play.
When fully rested, we play our quick passing and counter-attacking game at 100% and it is very good....a crude comparison would be to "Thoroughbred flat race" horses.

When a bit tired, our performance drops off out of proportion to our tiredness, because our way of playing very much needs our players to be in peak physical condition, compared to other teams who have more of a "Shire Horse" approach, less good at their peak, but with less of a drop off when tired.

[Herd]

It isn't the end of the world ,but it is clear that he will not learn .

Allowing 4 Utd players to line up like the riders of the Apocalypse and swoop on us was criminal !

[Henry Norris 1913]

we were like rabbits in headlights, totally scared of an average side just days after beating one of the best in the world in a much better atmosphere! total fuck up from wenger again, they were there for the taking

[Bradywasking]

If what Manchester United done yesterday is enough to catapult them back into the title race then heaven help the title race...hard to figure why our first half was so passive after the Liverpool and Dortmund games..playing at something like 60% of capability we pushed this most average of United teams back in the second half but couldn't hurt them. we got what we deserved out of a game yesterday against a team that were there to be beaten..it is no coincidence that United have dropped points this season, they are not good enough. We made it so easy.
When you look at Super Nick lumbering onto the pitch you must wonder why ?? Lots of WHYS in fact, biggest one is why he is still an Arsenal player or indeed a footballer at all ?

[SteveO 35]

"We were just too nervous in the first half," said the Arsenal manager.

"We haven't won for a long time here now. Once again it is a tight game that has been decided on a set-piece."

Yes, we were too nervous as predicted in a big game which is why your time was up long long ago loser

How many 8-2 defeats have Ferguson, Mourinho, Benitez, Klopp, or Guardiola presided over?

An utterly shameful chapter in the history of a once great club that should have seen him dismissed instantly. Instead the same old loser leads a team so mentally scarred by that defeat into the same place, with the same tame old approach time and time again

If you want to play that game, how many invincible seasons have they resided over? - hardly conclusive proof of anything, but neither is yours. All of them have probably had horror results in their career.

Anyway, Fergie lost 6-1 at home to Citeh. I'd say that's worse, wouldn't you?

The 8-2 was a horror show but it was a freak. As was Fergie's 6-1. You're making more of it than is necessary.

I'm getting slightly tired of your deliberate contrary view crap, but if you want to "play that game" (what a silly statement that is).....how many trophies has Wenger delivered compared to that lot?

Yeah United lost 1-6 to City.....how did they respond to that? Were they mentally scarred every time they played City thereafter, or did they go to the Etihad and win 3-2 next time round?

If you bothered to read my posts rather than JD style respond to a handful of the words you'd get the point. The pointis that he has as good as admitted that the team is nervous when they play there and that's largely because of the 8-2 in my opinion. Fergie didn't allow the 1-6 to stop them bouncing back, beating City and winning the title next time round.

Anyway, I'm sure you can isolate four of my words and come back with some contrary view crap.....

[Bradywasking]

Never felt the 8-2 was a freak, it was very much on the cards before the game because of how threadbare our squad was without even getting injuries. That was down to the manager and despite the fact that there was improvements since I still believe the manager should not have survived that week. When men played for Arsenal we lost (albeit with a weakened defence) 6-1 at Old Trafford and fourteen or so months later went back there and won the league. The 8-2 shouldn't or even couldn't have influenced yesterday's result , what influenced yesterday's result was the failure of Arsenal to impose themselves on an average United team.