Chavs season re-launch

[BFG4]

What I loved about our team in 1998 was that they could mix it with the best and PV4, TA6 and Keown could be as nasty, as any nasty c.unt could be. However, none of them behaved like Costa and cheated their way through 90 minutes. I've even got more respect for Dogbreath than I have for him

The media might joke about cheeky Costa, or that he knows how to wind people up, but realistically he has issues, and lashes out whenever he feels uncomfortable. Even after all the shit in the 1st half today, he still had a swipe at OX, which shows how pathetic he is. Our spineless losers might have put up with his shit today, but eventually he will meet his match and get what's coming to him.

[MrT]

Just play that *word censored* Mourinho at his own game. Get your players round the ref at every opportunity, bully him at all times and if they try to get to him, get there first. Sometimes you need to do whatever it takes and we don't do it. I couldn't give a fuck about how we beat them, just fucking adapt. Wanker is a clueless dinosaur who can't cope in modern football. Mourinho is a massive prick, the world knows that but how can Wanker honestly keep losing to the *word censored*. Tell the players that they win fight fire with fire and for two games a season, they will go all-out to do whatever it takes to win.

Gabriel was the one player we had prepared to do that today and he's getting slaughtered for it !!!

Nobody is slaughtering him for the way he played... but the red card had nothing to do with football. The game had been stopped for ages.

It was a silly red card. I can't see how you justify it.

Just because Costa got away with it doesn't mean everyone will.

I'm not justifying it - I'm just not going to slaughter the one player who stood up, grew a pair and played excellently on the basis that he showed a natural human reaction to an absolute c.unt who already should have been sent off. Nothing can change the fact that Costa should have been sent off. Howard Webb said exactly that afterwards and it was obvious to anyone watching the game. Dean has been an Arsenal hater for years, and has got decisions wrong in just about every top game I have ever seen him ref.

I take it most people on here have played football at one level or another, and I'm also taking it that at one point or another has lost their cool in the face of extreme provocation, shit reffing and blatant cheating. All I'm asking for is a bit of fucking empathy and forgiveness. It doesn't matter whether you're playing for free or 100k per week - cheating is cheating, and it provokes a reaction that I can totally relate to. His sending off was nowhere near as criminal as Blowdry Boy throwing a hissy on the back of one little decision and then clumsily connecting with someone waist high only 5 minutes later

SteveO, you're one of the better posters on here but you're letting emotions cloud your judgement on this one. Don't think anyone is slaughtering Gabriel but discipline at the top level is a must, especially when dealing with someone like Costa. If Gabriel kept his cool we would be 11v11 and would have more of a chance to nick something. No one is denying Costa should have been sent off, but he didn't, so what good would kicking out do apart from getting sent off and costing your team?

Gabriel is definitely the no nonsense defender we could use, but why play straight into Costa's hands? He got exactly what he wanted and we got fuck all once again.

[SteveO 35]

Just play that *word censored* Mourinho at his own game. Get your players round the ref at every opportunity, bully him at all times and if they try to get to him, get there first. Sometimes you need to do whatever it takes and we don't do it. I couldn't give a fuck about how we beat them, just fucking adapt. Wanker is a clueless dinosaur who can't cope in modern football. Mourinho is a massive prick, the world knows that but how can Wanker honestly keep losing to the *word censored*. Tell the players that they win fight fire with fire and for two games a season, they will go all-out to do whatever it takes to win.

Gabriel was the one player we had prepared to do that today and he's getting slaughtered for it !!!

Nobody is slaughtering him for the way he played... but the red card had nothing to do with football. The game had been stopped for ages.

It was a silly red card. I can't see how you justify it.

Just because Costa got away with it doesn't mean everyone will.

I'm not justifying it - I'm just not going to slaughter the one player who stood up, grew a pair and played excellently on the basis that he showed a natural human reaction to an absolute c.unt who already should have been sent off. Nothing can change the fact that Costa should have been sent off. Howard Webb said exactly that afterwards and it was obvious to anyone watching the game. Dean has been an Arsenal hater for years, and has got decisions wrong in just about every top game I have ever seen him ref.

I take it most people on here have played football at one level or another, and I'm also taking it that at one point or another has lost their cool in the face of extreme provocation, shit reffing and blatant cheating. All I'm asking for is a bit of fucking empathy and forgiveness. It doesn't matter whether you're playing for free or 100k per week - cheating is cheating, and it provokes a reaction that I can totally relate to. His sending off was nowhere near as criminal as Blowdry Boy throwing a hissy on the back of one little decision and then clumsily connecting with someone waist high only 5 minutes later

SteveO, you're one of the better posters on here but you're letting emotions cloud your judgement on this one. Don't think anyone is slaughtering Gabriel but discipline at the top level is a must, especially when dealing with someone like Costa. If Gabriel kept his cool we would be 11v11 and would have more of a chance to nick something. No one is denying Costa should have been sent off, but he didn't, so what good would kicking out do apart from getting sent off and costing your team?

Gabriel is definitely the no nonsense defender we could use, but why play straight into Costa's hands? He got exactly what he wanted and we got fuck all once again.

How do you feel about Ian Wright, Patrick Vieira and Emmanuel Petit mate? Honestly, I've seen all of them get sent off for far, far more petulant things than what Gabriel did today. None of them could control their emotions properly but they were club legends and didn't roll around like fairies or spend the entire game trying to get opponents sent off...and they were all forgiven for doing stupid things. Wrighty by his own admission had a hair trigger temperament and could get wound up easily by far inferior opponents.

It's easy to sit behind a laptop and say "he should have done this", "he should have stayed calm" - but when you've witnessed someone cheating and bullying a team mate, I think its a natural reaction to do what he did.....and by the way what he did was to walk backwards onto his foot. He didn't spit like Vieira did to Ruddock, or shove him, or punch him or bite him.....he trod backwards on to his foot. The bloke was so injured by that mortal wound he was able to hound the ref for a good minute straight afterwards,

Refs are like robots now - anyone who had played the game and was able to exercise good, personal judgement would have seen what had gone on, and laughed at Costa's pathetic whingeing at having his toenail clipped

[g88ner]

What has Wrighty, Petit and Vieira got to do with it? - those players had moments of madness but who cares. Nobody is saying this one petty incident is going to define Gabriel's entire career at Arsenal nor is anyone I'm aware of saying he'll never recover his reputation. In fact, I'm not sure his reputation has been tarnished anyway.

What is being said is that it was a stupid and unnecessary sending off in an important game. That's kind of it really.

[GoonerMuzz]

Possibly the most ironic thing is Gabriel stepped in to seperate Kos and Costa in the first place and ended up getting booked for that, i still don't actually understand what that initial booking was for.

[casgooner]

Gabriel did swing a punch that missed. If the officials had been stronger the incident would not have escalated.

[VoiceOfReason]

Today must have been a rarity, because I was actually able to set aside my issues with Wenger at the expense of my rage towards Costa and Mike Dean. Costa's behaviour was disgraceful, and we should have been going into the second half with a one man advantage. The fact that it was the other way around is farcical, and shows just how bad a referee Dean is.

Pundits were wanking themselves silly over Chelsea (and Costa) for most of the match, but personally, I didn't think there was very much between the sides up until the sending off. Yes, Chelsea looked the better team, but I thought we were coping well and would have had at least a draw if not for Dean's abysmal performance.

The most disappointing - and predictable - aspect of the afternoon was that none of our players seemed to feel any sense of injustice once the second half had started, and still backed off from Costa as if he were Lionel Messi (or Jesus Christ himself). As others have pointed out, where's the leaders in the mould of Keown and Vieira to even things up and let them know that we won't be bullied around? To me, all of our players seemed like complete pansies who didn't have the passion or authority to man up and take charge of this situation. Which is a reflection of the culture that Wenger has bred at the club, sadly.

Also, our usually riotous away support seemed totally deflated once the second half started - did they sit in on AW's half-time team talk? They should have been on the referee's case, incessantly, for the entire half in my opinion, so that the media couldn't escape the fact that Dean had made terrible, game-changing decisions. By sitting there quietly, and booing Costa every once in a while, it seemed as though the focus returned to the game itself - which it shouldn't have, because the game was solely determined on Dean's decision.

Yes, we're shit and have no real men in the team, but that wasn't why we lost today. It's why we didn't recover today, but I'm not apportioning any blame on them - because even the Invincibles would've struggled with nonsense like that (as they did in Mike Riley's equally inefficient display during the 50th game of the unbeaten run).

Finally, the BT Sport commentators are absolutely dire. The worst of the worst. And, predictably, none of them had the bollocks to call out the Chelsea fans for the 'paedophile' chant. That club is absolute scum from top to bottom. Always has been, and always will be.

[SteveO 35]

Today must have been a rarity, because I was actually able to set aside my issues with Wenger at the expense of my rage towards Costa and Mike Dean. Costa's behaviour was disgraceful, and we should have been going into the second half with a one man advantage. The fact that it was the other way around is farcical, and shows just how bad a referee Dean is.

Pundits were wanking themselves silly over Chelsea (and Costa) for most of the match, but personally, I didn't think there was very much between the sides up until the sending off. Yes, Chelsea looked the better team, but I thought we were coping well and would have had at least a draw if not for Dean's abysmal performance.

The most disappointing - and predictable - aspect of the afternoon was that none of our players seemed to feel any sense of injustice once the second half had started, and still backed off from Costa as if he were Lionel Messi (or Jesus Christ himself). As others have pointed out, where's the leaders in the mould of Keown and Vieira to even things up and let them know that we won't be bullied around? To me, all of our players seemed like complete pansies who didn't have the passion or authority to man up and take charge of this situation. Which is a reflection of the culture that Wenger has bred at the club, sadly.

Also, our usually riotous away support seemed totally deflated once the second half started - did they sit in on AW's half-time team talk? They should have been on the referee's case, incessantly, for the entire half in my opinion, so that the media couldn't escape the fact that Dean had made terrible, game-changing decisions. By sitting there quietly, and booing Costa every once in a while, it seemed as though the focus returned to the game itself - which it shouldn't have, because the game was solely determined on Dean's decision.

Yes, we're shit and have no real men in the team, but that wasn't why we lost today. It's why we didn't recover today, but I'm not apportioning any blame on them - because even the Invincibles would've struggled with nonsense like that (as they did in Mike Riley's equally inefficient display during the 50th game of the unbeaten run).

Finally, the BT Sport commentators are absolutely dire. The worst of the worst. And, predictably, none of them had the bollocks to call out the Chelsea fans for the 'paedophile' chant. That club is absolute scum from top to bottom. Always has been, and always will be.

Very well put, mate. Exactly as I saw it. For once in his life I think Wenger got it right and we weren't given a level playing field by Dean. The one guy with the testicles got sent off and as soon as his much more polite, mild mannered replacement came on to the field we were done for....and we now face 3 games of either the NJG or Chambers at CB. Great eh ?

[GoonerMuzz]

In terms of the match up to the sending off i'd have said it was 50/50, theonly slight criticism i would have had is that we were giving them a bit too much room in midfield, especially Cesc Fabrechav, but other than that i thought it was a pretty even first half, even in the second half they weren't having it all their own way until Santi got sent off (even if they were winning).

[casgooner]

In terms of the match up to the sending off i'd have said it was 50/50, theonly slight criticism i would have had is that we were giving them a bit too much room in midfield, especially Cesc Fabrechav, but other than that i thought it was a pretty even first half, even in the second half they weren't having it all their own way until Santi got sent off (even if they were winning).

I think we were looking good for an equaliser until Santi got sent off, chavski were looking flat.

[casgooner]

I didn't see the kick/stamp at the time and I can't find any footage of it. Does anyone have a link? Ta

[Offside]

I can't see past a Chelsea win, probably 2-0 but with the outside chance of us getting absolutely hammered. Chelsea found a bit of a form (albeit against average opposition) but then again, we lost in comical fashion against supposedly average opponents.

Wenger has a habit and it's been going on for years, where he has two games coming up - an "easy" one and a "hard" one. He plays a weakened team for the easy game which we lose/draw (Liverpool in the PL April '08, Chelsea in the FA Cup semi in '09, Blackburn in the FA Cup in 13), restores the normal team for the hard game and we lose it anyway. I'm sure that's what will happen on Saturday.

Proved right yet again

[SteveO 35]

I didn't see the kick/stamp at the time and I can't find any footage of it. Does anyone have a link? Ta

yep, if you log on to www.imaginarykick.com you will see the virtual kick for all its worth

apparently www.mikedeanisacunt.com are showing it in HD

[g88ner]

I didn't see the kick/stamp at the time and I can't find any footage of it. Does anyone have a link? Ta

yep, if you log on to http://www.imaginarykick.com you will see the virtual kick for all its worth

apparently http://www.mikedeanisacunt.com are showing it in HD

Wenger said it was a red card so I guess he's spoken to Gabriel about it.

[SteveO 35]

I didn't see the kick/stamp at the time and I can't find any footage of it. Does anyone have a link? Ta

yep, if you log on to http://www.imaginarykick.com you will see the virtual kick for all its worth

apparently http://www.mikedeanisacunt.com are showing it in HD

Wenger said it was a red card so I guess he's spoken to Gabriel about it.

He did, and we all know that the offence in isolation (under today's rules) is a red. I think he's also said exactly what needs to be said about Costa and Dean though !