London Riots

Deise Gooner · Post by **Deise Gooner** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:54 pm

Its PC wankers that have ruined our country. The police are too afraid to police because we have to consider peoples human rights before they are allowed to act. Filling out numerous pieces of paperwork beofre they are allowed to out and protect ordinary civilians is itterly ridiculous yet thats what seems to go on

You hear the usual dribble drabble banded around today that these people dont have a voice and even someone on Sky mentioned a Martin Luther King quote. FFS we live in 2011 nobdy in the UK is discriminated against and they certainly arent stopped from going to school, get on a bus or use a park bench because of his/her race. We are all born with an equal opportunity in this world and these people CHOSE not to get an education or a job to better themselves they were in no way forced

skipper · Post by **skipper** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:58 pm

I think people want their politicians to ask the question: 'What is it that brought that young person to commit that crime at that time? What's the background to it, what are the long-term causes of crime?'

"If you're ill, it's no good putting a sticking plaster on it. You've got to get to the bottom of the illness.

"Let's try and understand what's gone wrong in these children's lives and we'll find it's about family breakdown, it's about drugs, it's about alcohol abuse, often it's young people who are brought up in care when they should be in loving homes.

Deise Gooner · Post by **Deise Gooner** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:06 pm

skipper wrote:I think people want their politicians to ask the question: 'What is it that brought that young person to commit that crime at that time? What's the background to it, what are the long-term causes of crime?'

"If you're ill, it's no good putting a sticking plaster on it. You've got to get to the bottom of the illness.

"Let's try and understand what's gone wrong in these children's lives and we'll find it's about family breakdown, it's about drugs, it's about alcohol abuse, often it's young people who are brought up in care when they should be in loving homes.

We cant continue to make excuses for these people that is part of the problem that too many people are prepared to say oh this has gone wrong in your life its ok for you to be a lazy layabout

Every single person in the world has problems in their lifes but you have to get on with your life and not let them hold you back

skipper · Post by **skipper** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:09 pm

Deise Gooner wrote:
skipper wrote:I think people want their politicians to ask the question: 'What is it that brought that young person to commit that crime at that time? What's the background to it, what are the long-term causes of crime?'

"If you're ill, it's no good putting a sticking plaster on it. You've got to get to the bottom of the illness.

"Let's try and understand what's gone wrong in these children's lives and we'll find it's about family breakdown, it's about drugs, it's about alcohol abuse, often it's young people who are brought up in care when they should be in loving homes.
We cant continue to make excuses for these people that is part of the problem that too many people are prepared to say oh this has gone wrong in your life its ok for you to be a lazy layabout Every single person in the world has problems in their lifes but you have to get on with your life and not let them hold you back

No excuses, of course. And it isn't my opinion but David Camerons, from 2006, aka - hug a hoodie - speech

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5163798.stm

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:12 pm

But Deise, there are serious problems in the UK, and discrimination does exist. It is less than it has been before, but it is there.

I think the kids who looted are criminals and should be punished.

But it really seems like there is a "Welfare Class" in the UK; generations of people on benefits, single mums of 15 who have a kid just to get a council flat, people who see selling drugs as a legitimate career etc.

It feeds into a culture that encourages looting and laziness at the expense of hard work.

Captain Fabregas · Post by **Captain Fabregas** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:17 pm

as soon as you break the law in a way that is effecting other people's human rights, you should have your human rights taken away.

ThomasMitchell · Post by **ThomasMitchell** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:24 pm

skipper wrote:
Deise Gooner wrote:
skipper wrote:I think people want their politicians to ask the question: 'What is it that brought that young person to commit that crime at that time? What's the background to it, what are the long-term causes of crime?'

"If you're ill, it's no good putting a sticking plaster on it. You've got to get to the bottom of the illness.

"Let's try and understand what's gone wrong in these children's lives and we'll find it's about family breakdown, it's about drugs, it's about alcohol abuse, often it's young people who are brought up in care when they should be in loving homes.
We cant continue to make excuses for these people that is part of the problem that too many people are prepared to say oh this has gone wrong in your life its ok for you to be a lazy layabout Every single person in the world has problems in their lifes but you have to get on with your life and not let them hold you back
No excuses, of course. And it isn't my opinion but David Camerons, from 2006, aka - hug a hoodie - speech

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5163798.stm

If you are going to post links to a story with the aim of proving your point, at least do so to one that does not contradict what you have just said.

i.e. it clearly states that he never said 'hug a hoodie' like you previously, incorrectly, stated.

Captain Fabregas · Post by **Captain Fabregas** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:27 pm

Subway in Manchester:

LDB · Post by **LDB** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:35 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:LDB

Seriously, you think I have a PC agenda?
Or label anyone who writes about race as a racist?

Considering thats exactly what you've done to thomas mitchell i'd say yes.

(Perhaps I just grew up mixing with different people from the majority on here? Because it does seem to very much a White English/White Irish Forum, but that is a different thread entirely.)

Dont know what point you're trying to make here. Massive sri lankan community where i live and many school friends from that constituency. Good hard working people mostly, which cant be said for lots of the useless white *word censored* that live in the estates.

And as I pointed out in a previous post, there were lootings in Woolwich, Romford and Southall.
Not places I would call Black areas.

It seems these lads have learnt the radical power of movement

I have seen many photos and lots of footage of the lootings and there were all people involved, Black, White, South Asian etc.

And to be honest, London has a 20 - 25% ethnic population, so by default there are likely to be Black kids taking part.

To be honest, im not sure of the ethnic composition of the riots or whether there are any significant conclusions that should be drawn from it. I do however think there is a problem with integration between different ethic groups in the UK and you dont bridge that gap by calling everyone who highlights it a racist, maybe that is a debate for another day though. But really the only reason i jumped into this debate was my objection to you playing the "racist undertones" card against a poster that said nothing to suggest he is racist. Its a serious accusation to make of someone and to be frank, i thought you were more intelligent and reasoned then that.

Deise Gooner · Post by **Deise Gooner** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:39 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:But Deise, there are serious problems in the UK, and discrimination does exist. It is less than it has been before, but it is there.

I think the kids who looted are criminals and should be punished.

But it really seems like there is a "Welfare Class" in the UK; generations of people on benefits, single mums of 15 who have a kid just to get a council flat, people who see selling drugs as a legitimate career etc.

It feeds into a culture that encourages looting and laziness at the expense of hard work.

Yeah you are correct Quartz that is what has fed all of this but they are on benefits because the socialsts say that they need more money for this and for that and the outcome is that you can get more money sponging off society than going out and getting a job when this shouldnt be the case.

Rosie_titters · Post by **Rosie_titters** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:55 pm

racism isn't the issue

its blacks, whites, asian males and females roughly 12 to 20 years old - who are causing this

national service should be bought back

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:57 pm

LDB wrote:
QuartzGooner wrote:LDB

Seriously, you think I have a PC agenda?
Or label anyone who writes about race as a racist?
Considering thats exactly what you've done to thomas mitchell i'd say yes.

QUARTZ: Well it is your opinion, but I regard what he said as having a racist slant, and the vibe of what he posted as having a racist slant, and I do not apologise for that.

(Perhaps I just grew up mixing with different people from the majority on here? Because it does seem to very much a White English/White Irish Forum, but that is a different thread entirely.)
Dont know what point you're trying to make here. Massive sri lankan community where i live and many school friends from that constituency. Good hard working people mostly, which cant be said for lots of the useless white c**ts that live in the estates.

QUARTZ: As I said it is best left to another thread, if at all, but personally I am aware that the demographic and outlook of people on the Forum has some similarity, and some significant variation from people I grew up with in regards to outlook on politics, religion and ethnicity. Does not make the majority of the Forum racist, as we all know it is not. But to anyone's knowledge, has a single Black person written on this thread? Because it would be a valuable contribution.

And as I pointed out in a previous post, there were lootings in Woolwich, Romford and Southall.
Not places I would call Black areas.
It seems these lads have learnt the radical power of movement

QUARTZ: People can move around to hotspots, but that does not take away the multi-racial make up of the looters, in marked contrast to the predominantly Black rioters of the Brixton and Broadwater Farm riots of the 1980's.

I have seen many photos and lots of footage of the lootings and there were all people involved, Black, White, South Asian etc.

And to be honest, London has a 20 - 25% ethnic population, so by default there are likely to be Black kids taking part.

To be honest, im not sure of the ethnic composition of the riots or whether there are any significant conclusions that should be drawn from it. I do however think there is a problem with integration between different ethic groups in the UK and you dont bridge that gap by calling everyone who highlights it a racist, maybe that is a debate for another day though. But really the only reason i jumped into this debate was my objection to you playing the "racist undertones" card against a poster that said nothing to suggest he is racist. Its a serious accusation to make of someone and to be frank, i thought you were more intelligent and reasoned then that.

QUARTZ: I felt he was being racist in what he wrote and how he wrote it. I stand by that. Bringing up gang-rape statistics etc, when no gang-rapes have been reported in these lootings. A poster does not have to write some sort of blatant insult to get a point across, and people can be very sly in their language and method of writing, engineering a debate to suit their agenda.

worthing gooner · Post by **worthing gooner** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:06 pm

skipper wrote:Pictures on telly of looters and rioters in Manchester. Almost all of them white kids.

Any explanation? Lads?

Yep
Crunts the lot of em!!!

Captain Fabregas · Post by **Captain Fabregas** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:07 pm

have these police never heard of flanking???

"uhhhh they tried to get them but they run away when the police come"

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:18 pm

skipper wrote:
I Hate Hleb wrote:
skipper wrote:
Yankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote:free schooling and free health care and the fuckers are rioting. i'd hate to see what they would do here with NO HEALTHCARE at all and schools that cost half your year's earnings.
I wouldn't be so cocky mate. It's only matter of time before it kicks of in States. You guys are bankrupt, basically.

Funny how everyone is concentrating on riots, while economies worldwide are collapsing as we type.

And of course, there will be no cuts for police force after this, in fact, bugdet actually might increase. This is all very political and it will be become clear in days to come.
I was wondering last night how long it would take for the conspiracy theorist out there to try and get this particular one on the go.
You didn't have to wait long.

Response by police had been pathetic, to say the least. I've watched them last night outside huge police station in Hackney, they looked like headless chickens. Is it just sheer incompentance or is it something else remains to be seen.

You're right, it didn't take long did it? Surprising how no-one has started the conspiracy that maybe the other organisations, excuse-makers for the criminals and degenerates, also have a dog in race: namely that they want to keep on receiving and indeed increase government funds for their so called 'youth initatives' which by and large have proven to have failed?

People can make all the excuses about poverty and deprivation but that is just slandering other people that are genuinely poor but that don't and never have felt the need to go and nick stuff from shops or rob someone else!!

Poverty and boredom? The kids today have never had it so good or had as many options in comparison to their fathers and grandfathers. The truth is that too many are lazy shit-heads that want the easy life but don't want to put in the hard yards that their predecessors did to enable them to get the nice things in life.

And regardless of what the moralistic BBC listeners, Guardian and Independent readers and other supposed 'Social do-gooders' believe, no amount of government money or contrived scheme is going to make an iota of difference to these fuck-heads that are in our streets almost every day robbing and bullying local people and premises with impunity, all because they can.