The Gooner Forum

skipper wrote:I think people want their politicians to ask the question: 'What is it that brought that young person to commit that crime at that time? What's the background to it, what are the long-term causes of crime?'

"If you're ill, it's no good putting a sticking plaster on it. You've got to get to the bottom of the illness.

"Let's try and understand what's gone wrong in these children's lives and we'll find it's about family breakdown, it's about drugs, it's about alcohol abuse, often it's young people who are brought up in care when they should be in loving homes.

Deise Gooner wrote:

skipper wrote:I think people want their politicians to ask the question: 'What is it that brought that young person to commit that crime at that time? What's the background to it, what are the long-term causes of crime?'

"If you're ill, it's no good putting a sticking plaster on it. You've got to get to the bottom of the illness.

"Let's try and understand what's gone wrong in these children's lives and we'll find it's about family breakdown, it's about drugs, it's about alcohol abuse, often it's young people who are brought up in care when they should be in loving homes.

We cant continue to make excuses for these people that is part of the problem that too many people are prepared to say oh this has gone wrong in your life its ok for you to be a lazy layabout Every single person in the world has problems in their lifes but you have to get on with your life and not let them hold you back

skipper wrote:

Deise Gooner wrote:

skipper wrote:I think people want their politicians to ask the question: 'What is it that brought that young person to commit that crime at that time? What's the background to it, what are the long-term causes of crime?'

"If you're ill, it's no good putting a sticking plaster on it. You've got to get to the bottom of the illness.

"Let's try and understand what's gone wrong in these children's lives and we'll find it's about family breakdown, it's about drugs, it's about alcohol abuse, often it's young people who are brought up in care when they should be in loving homes.

We cant continue to make excuses for these people that is part of the problem that too many people are prepared to say oh this has gone wrong in your life its ok for you to be a lazy layabout Every single person in the world has problems in their lifes but you have to get on with your life and not let them hold you back

No excuses, of course. And it isn't my opinion but David Camerons, from 2006, aka - hug a hoodie - speech

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5163798.stm

QuartzGooner wrote:LDB

Seriously, you think I have a PC agenda?
Or label anyone who writes about race as a racist?

(Perhaps I just grew up mixing with different people from the majority on here? Because it does seem to very much a White English/White Irish Forum, but that is a different thread entirely.)

And as I pointed out in a previous post, there were lootings in Woolwich, Romford and Southall.
Not places I would call Black areas.

I have seen many photos and lots of footage of the lootings and there were all people involved, Black, White, South Asian etc.

And to be honest, London has a 20 - 25% ethnic population, so by default there are likely to be Black kids taking part.

QuartzGooner wrote:But Deise, there are serious problems in the UK, and discrimination does exist. It is less than it has been before, but it is there.

I think the kids who looted are criminals and should be punished.

But it really seems like there is a "Welfare Class" in the UK; generations of people on benefits, single mums of 15 who have a kid just to get a council flat, people who see selling drugs as a legitimate career etc.

It feeds into a culture that encourages looting and laziness at the expense of hard work.

LDB wrote:

QuartzGooner wrote:LDB

Seriously, you think I have a PC agenda?
Or label anyone who writes about race as a racist?

Considering thats exactly what you've done to thomas mitchell i'd say yes.

QUARTZ: Well it is your opinion, but I regard what he said as having a racist slant, and the vibe of what he posted as having a racist slant, and I do not apologise for that.

(Perhaps I just grew up mixing with different people from the majority on here? Because it does seem to very much a White English/White Irish Forum, but that is a different thread entirely.)

Dont know what point you're trying to make here. Massive sri lankan community where i live and many school friends from that constituency. Good hard working people mostly, which cant be said for lots of the useless white c**ts that live in the estates.

QUARTZ: As I said it is best left to another thread, if at all, but personally I am aware that the demographic and outlook of people on the Forum has some similarity, and some significant variation from people I grew up with in regards to outlook on politics, religion and ethnicity. Does not make the majority of the Forum racist, as we all know it is not. But to anyone's knowledge, has a single Black person written on this thread? Because it would be a valuable contribution.

And as I pointed out in a previous post, there were lootings in Woolwich, Romford and Southall.
Not places I would call Black areas.

It seems these lads have learnt the radical power of movement

QUARTZ: People can move around to hotspots, but that does not take away the multi-racial make up of the looters, in marked contrast to the predominantly Black rioters of the Brixton and Broadwater Farm riots of the 1980's.

I have seen many photos and lots of footage of the lootings and there were all people involved, Black, White, South Asian etc.

And to be honest, London has a 20 - 25% ethnic population, so by default there are likely to be Black kids taking part.

To be honest, im not sure of the ethnic composition of the riots or whether there are any significant conclusions that should be drawn from it. I do however think there is a problem with integration between different ethic groups in the UK and you dont bridge that gap by calling everyone who highlights it a racist, maybe that is a debate for another day though. But really the only reason i jumped into this debate was my objection to you playing the "racist undertones" card against a poster that said nothing to suggest he is racist. Its a serious accusation to make of someone and to be frank, i thought you were more intelligent and reasoned then that.


QUARTZ: I felt he was being racist in what he wrote and how he wrote it. I stand by that. Bringing up gang-rape statistics etc, when no gang-rapes have been reported in these lootings. A poster does not have to write some sort of blatant insult to get a point across, and people can be very sly in their language and method of writing, engineering a debate to suit their agenda.

skipper wrote:Pictures on telly of looters and rioters in Manchester. Almost all of them white kids.

Any explanation? Lads?

skipper wrote:

I Hate Hleb wrote:

skipper wrote:

Yankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote:free schooling and free health care and the fuckers are rioting. i'd hate to see what they would do here with NO HEALTHCARE at all and schools that cost half your year's earnings.

I wouldn't be so cocky mate. It's only matter of time before it kicks of in States. You guys are bankrupt, basically.

Funny how everyone is concentrating on riots, while economies worldwide are collapsing as we type.

And of course, there will be no cuts for police force after this, in fact, bugdet actually might increase. This is all very political and it will be become clear in days to come.

I was wondering last night how long it would take for the conspiracy theorist out there to try and get this particular one on the go.

You didn't have to wait long.

Response by police had been pathetic, to say the least. I've watched them last night outside huge police station in Hackney, they looked like headless chickens. Is it just sheer incompentance or is it something else remains to be seen.