Arsenal v Manure

[VoiceOfReason]

All this bullshit from players not wanting to celebrate a goal against their old teams makes me want to vomit If said players loved their previous clubs so much then why did they leave ? I have no ill feeling towards rvp leaving and said last summer that he was 100% right in looking to leave this small time outfit (plus a league medal in his pocket has already justified his decision imo) but nobody put a gun to his head and made him leave Obviously my gripe isnt aimed just at rvp but if a new player joined our club and scored a goal for us against his old club and chose not to celebrate then I would be very pissed off - for me you are either 100% on board with the club you are playing for or else just fcuk off

I'd rather an ex-player act with a certain degree of respect and dignity than do what Adebayor did at Man City, and completely troll the fans who used to chant his name and buy his shirts.

[augie]

All this bullshit from players not wanting to celebrate a goal against their old teams makes me want to vomit If said players loved their previous clubs so much then why did they leave ? I have no ill feeling towards rvp leaving and said last summer that he was 100% right in looking to leave this small time outfit (plus a league medal in his pocket has already justified his decision imo) but nobody put a gun to his head and made him leave Obviously my gripe isnt aimed just at rvp but if a new player joined our club and scored a goal for us against his old club and chose not to celebrate then I would be very pissed off - for me you are either 100% on board with the club you are playing for or else just fcuk off

I'd rather an ex-player act with a certain degree of respect and dignity than do what Adebayor did at Man City, and completely troll the fans who used to chant his name and buy his shirts.

Isnt there a middle ground though ? Running the length of the pitch to taunt fans is a far cry from celebrating a goal with your team-mates surely ?

[VoiceOfReason]

All this bullshit from players not wanting to celebrate a goal against their old teams makes me want to vomit If said players loved their previous clubs so much then why did they leave ? I have no ill feeling towards rvp leaving and said last summer that he was 100% right in looking to leave this small time outfit (plus a league medal in his pocket has already justified his decision imo) but nobody put a gun to his head and made him leave Obviously my gripe isnt aimed just at rvp but if a new player joined our club and scored a goal for us against his old club and chose not to celebrate then I would be very pissed off - for me you are either 100% on board with the club you are playing for or else just fcuk off

I'd rather an ex-player act with a certain degree of respect and dignity than do what Adebayor did at Man City, and completely troll the fans who used to chant his name and buy his shirts.

Isnt there a middle ground though ? Running the length of the pitch to taunt fans is a far cry from celebrating a goal with your team-mates surely ?

Agreed. But I think RVP's intention was right yesterday, despite the way some people reacted to it.

[DB10GOONER]

Players not celebrating scoring against their old club is mostly out of respect for their ex-team mates or their ex-manager, rather than because of the actual club or the fans. Sometimes it's all of those things, but mostly it's not to take the piss out of players they may still be good friends with (or don't want to receive a broken leg from! ).

I still cannot believe any Gooner thinks VanJudas somehow did the decent and honest thing or whateverthefuck by making his public statement and pushing a move. He thought about one thing and one thing only; himself. Fair enough, but let's not pretend he's an honourable bloke for doing it, he's not - he's a selfish self centered cúnt. He sat on our treatment table for 7 years getting paid a fortune, why not have his qualms about the club during that time? Because fucking no one would have signed the crock. Judas cúnt has ONE decent season and cashes it in. Fuck off with the Robin was so right, poor Robin loved the club but the club let him down. My fucking hairy arse!

And yes the board and Arsene are culpable too.

[Steve_I]

Players not celebrating scoring against their old club is mostly out of respect for their ex-team mates or their ex-manager, rather than because of the actual club or the fans. Sometimes it's all of those things, but mostly it's not to take the piss out of players they may still be good friends with (or don't want to receive a broken leg from! ).

I still cannot believe any Gooner thinks VanJudas somehow did the decent and honest thing or whateverthefuck by making his public statement and pushing a move. He thought about one thing and one thing only; himself. Fair enough, but let's not pretend he's an honourable bloke for doing it, he's not - he's a selfish self centered cúnt. He sat on our treatment table for 7 years getting paid a fortune, why not have his qualms about the club during that time? Because fucking no one would have signed the crock. Judas cúnt has ONE decent season and cashes it in. Fuck off with the Robin was so right, poor Robin loved the club but the club let him down. My fucking hairy arse!

I agree with all of this. even my arse is hairy.

[littlefire]

Their fans are shit tho innit?

[Peeman]

Went to the black stock yesterday morning coz it was the only pub open early and I looked up on the wall there were 3 pictures of players on it clichy, gallas and adebayor


At the start of the week I would have settled for spuds not making any ground on us so the draw while not preferable was an ok result. I was convinced the rapist wouldn't play how foolish of me.

[robbo10]

At the start of the week I would have settled for spuds not making any ground on us so the draw while not preferable was an ok result. I was convinced the rapist wouldn't play how foolish of me.[/quote]


What? Johnny Evans?

[augie]

Players not celebrating scoring against their old club is mostly out of respect for their ex-team mates or their ex-manager, rather than because of the actual club or the fans. Sometimes it's all of those things, but mostly it's not to take the piss out of players they may still be good friends with (or don't want to receive a broken leg from! ).

I still cannot believe any Gooner thinks VanJudas somehow did the decent and honest thing or whateverthefuck by making his public statement and pushing a move. He thought about one thing and one thing only; himself. Fair enough, but let's not pretend he's an honourable bloke for doing it, he's not - he's a selfish self centered cúnt. He sat on our treatment table for 7 years getting paid a fortune, why not have his qualms about the club during that time? Because fucking no one would have signed the crock. Judas cúnt has ONE decent season and cashes it in. Fuck off with the Robin was so right, poor Robin loved the club but the club let him down. My fucking hairy arse!

And yes the board and Arsene are culpable too.

Forget about his public statements for a minute and forget about his injuries too, do you not accept that his only possibility of winning a league medal was to get out of our club asap ? Do you believe that we had the right to expect him to give up that ambition of winning a league just cos he had never played a full season for us prior to last season ? For me they are very different arguments than what you are slating him for and those points should be recognised regardless of it leaving a sour taste in the mouth. For me, if he was 24 years old and walked out like that then I would be seriously pissed off but at 29 years old his time was running out so I dont begrudge him leaving but we shouldnt have sold him to them

[DB10GOONER]

Players not celebrating scoring against their old club is mostly out of respect for their ex-team mates or their ex-manager, rather than because of the actual club or the fans. Sometimes it's all of those things, but mostly it's not to take the piss out of players they may still be good friends with (or don't want to receive a broken leg from! ).

I still cannot believe any Gooner thinks VanJudas somehow did the decent and honest thing or whateverthefuck by making his public statement and pushing a move. He thought about one thing and one thing only; himself. Fair enough, but let's not pretend he's an honourable bloke for doing it, he's not - he's a selfish self centered cúnt. He sat on our treatment table for 7 years getting paid a fortune, why not have his qualms about the club during that time? Because fucking no one would have signed the crock. Judas cúnt has ONE decent season and cashes it in. Fuck off with the Robin was so right, poor Robin loved the club but the club let him down. My fucking hairy arse!

And yes the board and Arsene are culpable too.

Forget about his public statements for a minute and forget about his injuries too, do you not accept that his only possibility of winning a league medal was to get out of our club asap ? Do you believe that we had the right to expect him to give up that ambition of winning a league just cos he had never played a full season for us prior to last season ? For me they are very different arguments than what you are slating him for and those points should be recognised regardless of it leaving a sour taste in the mouth. For me, if he was 24 years old and walked out like that then I would be seriously pissed off but at 29 years old his time was running out so I dont begrudge him leaving but we shouldnt have sold him to them

Matter of opinions I suppose but I don't agree they are seperate issues. Again I refer to the fact he sat on our treatment table for 7 years getting paid a fortune. We were in the same limbo, not progressing or winning things for most of that 7 years - why not have his qualms about the club during that time? Because no one would have signed him. He then had ONE decent season and all of a sudden he is NOW concerned about the direction the club is going in? Don't blame him for wanting to win medals but let's not pretend he did the decent thing. He didn't. He thought only about himself and fucked the club that kept faith in him when he gave us fuck all for 7 long expensive years.

[highburyJD]

Podolski was one of our worst players (Feo despite a few flurries and the goal disappointed me obv Sagna was tragic)
on one hand, I think we missed Giroud despite his recent poor form
but the main issue has to be the negligence of allowing the winter transfer window to shut without at least getting somebody in temporarily. Up there with the Almunia persistence as one of Wenger's most inexplicably bad decisions.
(and I agree 100% with DB10 on vanPursestrings)

[VoiceOfReason]

I still cannot believe any Gooner thinks VanJudas somehow did the decent and honest thing or whateverthefuck by making his public statement and pushing a move.

I don't understand why it's legitimate for fans to have a gripe with the club's policies and the way it's run, yet if a player dares share the same views, suddenly they become figures of hatred? We all moan about players in the modern era being mercenaries etc., yet as soon as this one actually shows an interest in something other than just his payslip, everyone turns their backs on him - despite many sharing his exact views! By having a go at him, it's basically the equivalent of an AKB telling us to "Fuck off down the Lane if you don't like it".

[northbank123]

I still cannot believe any Gooner thinks VanJudas somehow did the decent and honest thing or whateverthefuck by making his public statement and pushing a move.

I don't understand why it's legitimate for fans to have a gripe with the club's policies and the way it's run, yet if a player dares share the same views, suddenly they become figures of hatred? We all moan about players in the modern era being mercenaries etc., yet as soon as this one actually shows an interest in something other than just his payslip, everyone turns their backs on him - despite many sharing his exact views! By having a go at him, it's basically the equivalent of an AKB telling us to "Fuck off down the Lane if you don't like it".

How on Earth have you reached that conclusion? Just because you disagree with the board and manager's policies it doesn't mean that you have to unconditionally side with anybody else who opposes them.

Do you think he released that statement because he wanted the best for the club? Or because he's a selfish prick who would happily slag off his team-mates and the club who had paid him to sit on the treatment table for 7 years to push through a move to a club that is universally hated by our fans? He just wanted to force the move (which he did) with the possible bonuses of pulling the wool over some fans' eyes by pretending he actually gives a fuck (which he also did it seems).

I expect the same standard of conduct, professionalism and commitment from every AFC player whether it's Gervinho or Wilshere. I don't give a fuck if he scored 30 league goals the previous season, I would have been disgusted had any player whored himself out to one of our rivals and slagged the club and team-mates off (particularly whilst captain). The fact he had 1.5 great seasons out of 8 doesn't change that one bit.

[VoiceOfReason]

Do you think he released that statement because he wanted the best for the club? Or because he's a selfish prick who would happily slag off his team-mates and the club who had paid him to sit on the treatment table for 7 years to push through a move to a club that is universally hated by our fans? He just wanted to force the move (which he did) with the possible bonuses of pulling the wool over some fans' eyes by pretending he actually gives a fuck (which he also did it seems).

The guy was at the club for 8 years, and in that time, you get to know a player reasonably well. I consider RVP to be an intelligent, decent bloke who was very happy to be at Arsenal, and respected the club's traditions. I don't think he became a prick in one day and had a massive character overhaul. He wanted what's best for Arsenal, AND what's best for him - which is understandable, given that it's his life and career. It was pretty clear to all of us that he wasn't going to be able to fulfil his career ambitions with us (in the immediate future) so he left to seek fortunes elsewhere. Why wouldn't he give a fuck? It seemed to me like he DID give a fuck - and that's why he made those comments. It's players like Hleb and Song who just stroll out in the night without a second thought, who really don't give a fuck.

Yes, he was injured for lengthy periods in those 8 years, but given the way the club deals with injuries (or doesn't), he was one of just many in this latter-day AW era to be injured on an on-and-off basis. Wasn't he the only player in our squad to take his recovery into his own hands and organise his own treatment, against the wishes of AW?

Ultimately, his record speaks for itself - he's our eighth top scorer of all-time, and that simply doesn't happen in one season. In fact, he scored 20+ goals in three seasons, which is conveniently forgotten about because it doesn't fit the general theme of criticising the guy. And let's not forget, in those first few seasons, a great deal of the play was still centred around Henry and Bergkamp (as it would be), so he was hardly a lone striker being relied upon for all our goals.

[northbank123]

Do you think he released that statement because he wanted the best for the club? Or because he's a selfish prick who would happily slag off his team-mates and the club who had paid him to sit on the treatment table for 7 years to push through a move to a club that is universally hated by our fans? He just wanted to force the move (which he did) with the possible bonuses of pulling the wool over some fans' eyes by pretending he actually gives a fuck (which he also did it seems).

The guy was at the club for 8 years, and in that time, you get to know a player reasonably well. I consider RVP to be an intelligent, decent bloke who was very happy to be at Arsenal, and respected the club's traditions. I don't think he became a prick in one day and had a massive character overhaul. He wanted what's best for Arsenal, AND what's best for him - which is understandable, given that it's his life and career. It was pretty clear to all of us that he wasn't going to be able to fulfil his career ambitions with us (in the immediate future) so he left to seek fortunes elsewhere. Why wouldn't he give a fuck? It seemed to me like he DID give a fuck - and that's why he made those comments. It's players like Hleb and Song who just stroll out in the night without a second thought, who really don't give a fuck.

Yes, he was injured for lengthy periods in those 8 years, but given the way the club deals with injuries (or doesn't), he was one of just many in this latter-day AW era to be injured on an on-and-off basis. Wasn't he the only player in our squad to take his recovery into his own hands and organise his own treatment, against the wishes of AW?

Ultimately, his record speaks for itself - he's our eighth top scorer of all-time, and that simply doesn't happen in one season. In fact, he scored 20+ goals in three seasons, which is conveniently forgotten about because it doesn't fit the general theme of criticising the guy. And let's not forget, in those first few seasons, a great deal of the play was still centred around Henry and Bergkamp (as it would be), so he was hardly a lone striker being relied upon for all our goals.

So naive - he made the comments for one reason: to push through a move to our rivals as quickly as he possibly could, and to try and deflect attention away from what a huge *word censored* he was by playing on fans' frustrations. If you believe that he was doing it for the good of the club you've taken his bollocks hook, line and sinker.

If you stack up his record against the money he took home over his time here he's been paid fucking handsomely. As DB10 said he was more than happy to keep his mouth shut about ambition and pick up his pay packet every week even though he wasn't playing for months on end. But even if you feel there was nothing wrong with him going I still don't see how you can possibly think he conducted himself respectfully to the club and fans?

If Song and Hleb had come out and slagged off their team-mate and club AND moved to a rival club then I'd probably be equally as pissed off with them.