Jack Wilshere

[QuartzGooner]

Gnabry has looked good in the last two games, but at 18 he has to be rationed or he will likely end up injured like Wilshere has been!

Rationed after 2 games !!!!

The Self Harmer was happy to play Jack for 49 games at the same age. I would hardly say Gnabry's exertions in those last 2 games meant he needed a rest

Yes.
You play under 21 year old's for a couple of games then rest them for one etc.

If you play them every game in a row it causes the type of injuries that put paid to Fowler and Owen having long productive careers, namely bone fissure injuries.

[SteveO 35]

Gnabry has looked good in the last two games, but at 18 he has to be rationed or he will likely end up injured like Wilshere has been!

Rationed after 2 games !!!!

The Self Harmer was happy to play Jack for 49 games at the same age. I would hardly say Gnabry's exertions in those last 2 games meant he needed a rest

Yes.
You play under 21 year old's for a couple of games then rest them for one etc.

If you play them every game in a row it causes the type of injuries that put paid to Fowler and Owen having long productive careers, namely bone fissure injuries.

So why did Wenger play under 21 Wilshere consistently for nearly 50 games ?

Oh so, it was England's fault for those half a dozen shitey games he played against muppet opposition that caused all the problems

[SteveO 35]

IMO you are only English if

A) You speak fluent English.
B) Have an English accent.

That would have ruled out this lot then:

Pictures of Peter Beardsley only after the watershed please

[QuartzGooner]

Gnabry has looked good in the last two games, but at 18 he has to be rationed or he will likely end up injured like Wilshere has been!

Rationed after 2 games !!!!

The Self Harmer was happy to play Jack for 49 games at the same age. I would hardly say Gnabry's exertions in those last 2 games meant he needed a rest

Yes.
You play under 21 year old's for a couple of games then rest them for one etc.

If you play them every game in a row it causes the type of injuries that put paid to Fowler and Owen having long productive careers, namely bone fissure injuries.

So why did Wenger play under 21 Wilshere consistently for nearly 50 games ?

Because Wenger got it wrong.

He overplayed Wilshere into that infamous "Red Zone" when all and sundry could see he was exhausted.
Same happened earlier on with Cesc.

Both got injured.

[SteveO 35]

Gnabry has looked good in the last two games, but at 18 he has to be rationed or he will likely end up injured like Wilshere has been!

Rationed after 2 games !!!!

The Self Harmer was happy to play Jack for 49 games at the same age. I would hardly say Gnabry's exertions in those last 2 games meant he needed a rest

Yes.
You play under 21 year old's for a couple of games then rest them for one etc.

If you play them every game in a row it causes the type of injuries that put paid to Fowler and Owen having long productive careers, namely bone fissure injuries.

So why did Wenger play under 21 Wilshere consistently for nearly 50 games ?

Because Wenger got it wrong.

He overplayed Wilshere into that infamous "Red Zone" when all and sundry could see he was exhausted.
Same happened earlier on with Cesc.

Both got injured.

Agreed there pal. But for all of us who saw it before it happened "we haven't worked a single day in football"

[QuartzGooner]

Yes.
You play under 21 year old's for a couple of games then rest them for one etc.

If you play them every game in a row it causes the type of injuries that put paid to Fowler and Owen having long productive careers, namely bone fissure injuries.

So why did Wenger play under 21 Wilshere consistently for nearly 50 games ?

Because Wenger got it wrong.

He overplayed Wilshere into that infamous "Red Zone" when all and sundry could see he was exhausted.
Same happened earlier on with Cesc.

Both got injured.

Agreed there pal. But for all of us who saw it before it happened "we haven't worked a single day in football"

And therein is one of the great unanswered questions about our club under Wenger, and possibly one of the great contradictions about Wenger.

He is labeled as the "Physiological Manager", the man who has all the stats ready to make decisions with:
Blood pressure, vitamin levels, bone density, muscle fibre ratios, weight, recovery rates, pulse rates etc.

Yet it appears to me that whilst he knows full well how much energy players have left in the tank, he goes against his own wisdom and plays them when tired, because he feels they are better than their colleagues.

And has been suggested, does he overrule our medical staff, tell them that even if a player is not ready to return from injury, that said player is needed and so should play when not fully fit?

He has admitted he has rushed back both Van Persie and Wilshere from injury.

Our medical staff get slaughtered on here, but they may well be excellent.....but overruled.

Now at least in midfield we really have no excuses for rushing players back from injury or over playing them, we have a very healthy competition for places and will have even more so when Oxlade-Chamberlain, Zelalem, and Diaby return from injury.

[g88ner]

Yes.
You play under 21 year old's for a couple of games then rest them for one etc.

If you play them every game in a row it causes the type of injuries that put paid to Fowler and Owen having long productive careers, namely bone fissure injuries.

So why did Wenger play under 21 Wilshere consistently for nearly 50 games ?

Because Wenger got it wrong.

He overplayed Wilshere into that infamous "Red Zone" when all and sundry could see he was exhausted.
Same happened earlier on with Cesc.

Both got injured.

Agreed there pal. But for all of us who saw it before it happened "we haven't worked a single day in football"

And therein is one of the great unanswered questions about our club under Wenger, and possibly one of the great contradictions about Wenger.

He is labeled as the "Physiological Manager", the man who has all the stats ready to make decisions with:
Blood pressure, vitamin levels, bone density, muscle fibre ratios, weight, recovery rates, pulse rates etc.

Yet it appears to me that whilst he knows full well how much energy players have left in the tank, he goes against his own wisdom and plays them when tired, because he feels they are better than their colleagues.

And has been suggested, does he overrule our medical staff, tell them that even if a player is not ready to return from injury, that said player is needed and so should play when not fully fit?

He has admitted he has rushed back both Van Persie and Wilshere from injury.

Our medical staff get slaughtered on here, but they may well be excellent.....but overruled.

Now at least in midfield we really have no excuses for rushing players back from injury or over playing them, we have a very healthy competition for places and will have even more so when Oxlade-Chamberlain, Zelalem, and Diaby return from injury.

Good post, Quartz. And valid questions about Cesc and Jack in particular.

[SteveO 35]

Yes.
You play under 21 year old's for a couple of games then rest them for one etc.

If you play them every game in a row it causes the type of injuries that put paid to Fowler and Owen having long productive careers, namely bone fissure injuries.

So why did Wenger play under 21 Wilshere consistently for nearly 50 games ?

Because Wenger got it wrong.

He overplayed Wilshere into that infamous "Red Zone" when all and sundry could see he was exhausted.
Same happened earlier on with Cesc.

Both got injured.

Agreed there pal. But for all of us who saw it before it happened "we haven't worked a single day in football"

And therein is one of the great unanswered questions about our club under Wenger, and possibly one of the great contradictions about Wenger.

He is labeled as the "Physiological Manager", the man who has all the stats ready to make decisions with:
Blood pressure, vitamin levels, bone density, muscle fibre ratios, weight, recovery rates, pulse rates etc.

Yet it appears to me that whilst he knows full well how much energy players have left in the tank, he goes against his own wisdom and plays them when tired, because he feels they are better than their colleagues.

And has been suggested, does he overrule our medical staff, tell them that even if a player is not ready to return from injury, that said player is needed and so should play when not fully fit?

He has admitted he has rushed back both Van Persie and Wilshere from injury.

Our medical staff get slaughtered on here, but they may well be excellent.....but overruled.

Now at least in midfield we really have no excuses for rushing players back from injury or over playing them, we have a very healthy competition for places and will have even more so when Oxlade-Chamberlain, Zelalem, and Diaby return from injury.

I know Quartz.....I hear it.....I hear it......don't worry mate, the great man will soon be back and people will start to forget we signed Ozil when our homegrown £100m man comes back in full flow

Missing Abou still

[DB10GOONER]

The over reliance on stats is why Wenger hasn't won fuck all in the last near-decade!

Reading DB10's book at the moment, and there is a very interesting part where he talks about arguing with Wenger because Wenger is subbing him based on - yes, you guessed it - stats. Apparently Dennis ran a bit less in the last 20 minutes so he would get subbed.

WTF?! One of the greatest players of all time, THE greatest ever at Arsenal, a man that can grab you a 30 yard screamer out of nothing or split a defence wide open with a slide rule pass, but he runs a bit less late on - Oh I know, I'll take him off and bring on Stepanovs!

Wenger has confused the success he had from 1998-2004 with a reliance on stats, rather than the guts and heart of the players he had. Why else would an inanimate useless piece of shit like LegoHead become a first choice midfielder? Oh right, he had a 90% pass completion rate in that one game. Never mind that 99% of that 90% of completed passes were 5 yard nothing sideways passes and that he had no fucking impact on the game whatsoever beyond a couple of stray ones from his 10% failed passes led to oppo goals.

[officepest]

BUMP

Thought he played really well on the whole today.

[ElSquirrel]

BUMP

Thought he played really well on the whole today.

It's another setback for those who don't rate Jack.

[LDB]

BUMP

Thought he played really well on the whole today.

It's another setback for those who don't rate Jack.

Clearly that goal he scored is proof positive that Wenger is restricting him and killing him by playing him "out wide"

[ElSquirrel]

BUMP

Thought he played really well on the whole today.

It's another setback for those who don't rate Jack.

Clearly that goal he scored is proof positive that Wenger is restricting him and killing him by playing him "out wide"

Not to mention an assist in Rambo's goal. Memo to Wenger: umm ... it's not well ... hold off on it ... some crow being served up.

[p206ab]

[SteveO 35]

I must admit I thought playing him wide was the wrong choice but he looked a lot more confident there yesterday so probably proves that I know fuck all

I did defend his honour for many pages on here though - never in a million years is he the most over rated player in English football

Now that Paul Scholes has finally fucked off and taken his lack of pace and awful tackling with him, the one week wonder from White Hart Lane has taken that personal accolade - step forward and take a bow Andros