THE WENGER THREAD

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Instead of worrying about the state of the rest of English football (which I do not give two fucks about) He should be addressing the more pressing concern of the shitness of our first team squad, which he has failed to do for years and years.

THIS!

this is exactly what a politician would do. Immediate damage control and deflect... "oh look....EVERY english team is out of the CL....how shyte all of us are" ....no bitch, it's just us! and i dont even really believe that this group of players couldnt win the league...just not with HIM at the helm. minus a few tactical adjustments the players are (mostly) not the problem

No chance. The players are as much to blame as anyone.

In my opinion, and I know this sounds a bit wacky even for me, but I believe that we def have the basis of a title winning side We have proper defenders but dont do defensive coaching or shape We have quality midfielders but lack a midfield enforcer plus the formation isnt working Up front we lack a real quality top of the range striker who will make the difference when the team plays bad - if we had such a player alongside podolski or even giroud or possibly even wally in a 4-4-2 system then we wouldnt be far off imo
I dont think that there are many Gooners out there who disagree with the suggestion that a better tactical formation/plan allied with proper coaching would make this team a lot better than it is now - that for me suggests that CIC isnt the whole problem but certainly the biggest part of it

So apart from a world class striker, world class DM and world class goalkeeper (you didn't mention GK but that was just an oversight, right?) we could win the pl

But if you add these players to spuds and chavs they too could win it.

I think mancini with his squad has been the biggest managerial failure this season by a long shot.

[northbank123]

One of the enlightened comments under the SkySports article on Wenger seeing out his contract said talk of him leaving was ridiculous as "if I was doing a poor job I would expect to get sacked, not my manager".

1) If a team of about 20 people below you were ALL failing to meet expectations for the best part of a decade you can bet the manager's head would have rolled long ago.

2) Some people's quotes essentially say that the manager is always untouchable because it's the players who go out on the pitch. Yet these same people will point towards the team's previous success as evidence of why he should stay. Lose and it's the players' fault, win and the manager is a genius - this whole manager thing sounds like a lark!

Absolutely braindead.

[northbank123]

LFLG - I agree. You can count the number of convincing victories Citeh have this season on one hand which for PL champions and a squad with that ability is a disgrace. They have stumbled their way through the campaign and have barely managed to hold on to United's coat-tails.

[flash gunner]

I never made it through school mate

From the way you fucked up the quoting im not suprised

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

I never made it through school mate

From the way you fucked up the quoting im not suprised

From the "Master" of copy and pasting this hurts.....deeply

[kiwomya]

Instead of worrying about the state of the rest of English football (which I do not give two fucks about) He should be addressing the more pressing concern of the shitness of our first team squad, which he has failed to do for years and years.

THIS!

this is exactly what a politician would do. Immediate damage control and deflect... "oh look....EVERY english team is out of the CL....how shyte all of us are" ....no bitch, it's just us! and i dont even really believe that this group of players couldnt win the league...just not with HIM at the helm. minus a few tactical adjustments the players are (mostly) not the problem

No chance. The players are as much to blame as anyone.

And who chose those players?

We know who signed them but that doesn't mean they somehow get off without criticism.

I don't understand what people are saying though. If Wenger is doing such a bad job then how has he managed to assemble a squad that some fans think can win the league?

[augie]

Instead of worrying about the state of the rest of English football (which I do not give two fucks about) He should be addressing the more pressing concern of the shitness of our first team squad, which he has failed to do for years and years.

THIS!

this is exactly what a politician would do. Immediate damage control and deflect... "oh look....EVERY english team is out of the CL....how shyte all of us are" ....no bitch, it's just us! and i dont even really believe that this group of players couldnt win the league...just not with HIM at the helm. minus a few tactical adjustments the players are (mostly) not the problem

No chance. The players are as much to blame as anyone.

In my opinion, and I know this sounds a bit wacky even for me, but I believe that we def have the basis of a title winning side We have proper defenders but dont do defensive coaching or shape We have quality midfielders but lack a midfield enforcer plus the formation isnt working Up front we lack a real quality top of the range striker who will make the difference when the team plays bad - if we had such a player alongside podolski or even giroud or possibly even wally in a 4-4-2 system then we wouldnt be far off imo
I dont think that there are many Gooners out there who disagree with the suggestion that a better tactical formation/plan allied with proper coaching would make this team a lot better than it is now - that for me suggests that CIC isnt the whole problem but certainly the biggest part of it

So apart from a world class striker, world class DM and world class goalkeeper (you didn't mention GK but that was just an oversight, right?) we could win the pl

But if you add these players to spuds and chavs they too could win it.

I think mancini with his squad has been the biggest managerial failure this season by a long shot.

Lefty, tell me when did we last win back to back league titles ? You have to go back to the 1930's to find such a feat and that is amazing and baffling when you consider how many great title winning teams we have had since Fact is that it is very hard for teams who are not used to winning trophies on a regular basis to win back to back cos the players often dont know how to deal with the expectation and coping with being the hunted instead of the hunter.

Anyway back on point....what I said is that we have the basis of a title winning team - I never said that this team could win it nor did I say that I expect other teams to stand still and allow us to rebuild and win it. All I'm saying is that with the right manager it wouldnt take a huge start from scratch overhaul

[northbank123]

Instead of worrying about the state of the rest of English football (which I do not give two fucks about) He should be addressing the more pressing concern of the shitness of our first team squad, which he has failed to do for years and years.

THIS!

this is exactly what a politician would do. Immediate damage control and deflect... "oh look....EVERY english team is out of the CL....how shyte all of us are" ....no bitch, it's just us! and i dont even really believe that this group of players couldnt win the league...just not with HIM at the helm. minus a few tactical adjustments the players are (mostly) not the problem

No chance. The players are as much to blame as anyone.

And who chose those players?

We know who signed them but that doesn't mean they somehow get off without criticism.

I don't understand what people are saying though. If Wenger is doing such a bad job then how has he managed to assemble a squad that some fans think can win the league?

Christ we have dedicated threads on here to Szczesny, Gervinho, Diaby, Ramsey, Denilson, Bendtner and Giroud, which are filled with criticism of the players. Many were up in arms when Walcott was haggling for a new deal because of his consistent under-performance, people have moaned about how Chamberlain has gone backwards this year, all three of our centre-backs are roundly slammed, even Arteta was being pilloried for giving a few fouls late on Wednesday. The only players immune from criticism are Wilshere and to a lesser extent Cazorla.

The players are ultimately not good enough which lies with Wenger, but also many aren't performing to the best of their ability for which they obviously deserve blame as does Wenger for fostering this environment with little pressure on places and championing mediocrity.

Were a team under-performing for one season I would be more reticent to lay so much blame at the manager's door but when there are hundreds of players who have played for the club over the last 8 seasons and a very small percentage have actually made the grade then how can the manager not be culpable to a huge degree?

As for the other point I personally don't think this squad is anywhere near being good enough to win the league, not by a million miles. It's impossible to reconcile the range of views on Wenger - the situation is so distorted now that I've seen/heard fans and journalists/pundits alike claiming that finishing 4th this year would be his greatest ever achievement. As if limping past a one-man Spurs side paying £1m a week less in wages is more impressive than two doubles and the Invincibles. Fucking crazy.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

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In my opinion, and I know this sounds a bit wacky even for me, but I believe that we def have the basis of a title winning side We have proper defenders but dont do defensive coaching or shape We have quality midfielders but lack a midfield enforcer plus the formation isnt working Up front we lack a real quality top of the range striker who will make the difference when the team plays bad - if we had such a player alongside podolski or even giroud or possibly even wally in a 4-4-2 system then we wouldnt be far off imo
I dont think that there are many Gooners out there who disagree with the suggestion that a better tactical formation/plan allied with proper coaching would make this team a lot better than it is now - that for me suggests that CIC isnt the whole problem but certainly the biggest part of it

So apart from a world class striker, world class DM and world class goalkeeper (you didn't mention GK but that was just an oversight, right?) we could win the pl

But if you add these players to spuds and chavs they too could win it.

I think mancini with his squad has been the biggest managerial failure this season by a long shot.

Lefty, tell me when did we last win back to back league titles ? You have to go back to the 1930's to find such a feat and that is amazing and baffling when you consider how many great title winning teams we have had since Fact is that it is very hard for teams who are not used to winning trophies on a regular basis to win back to back cos the players often dont know how to deal with the expectation and coping with being the hunted instead of the hunter.

Anyway back on point....what I said is that we have the basis of a title winning team - I never said that this team could win it nor did I say that I expect other teams to stand still and allow us to rebuild and win it. All I'm saying is that with the right manager it wouldnt take a huge start from scratch overhaul

Mate I will take your word for it, I personally can't remember the 30's

With regard to the team I agree it wouldn't take a massive overhaul but believe it would need at least 4 Super duper top quality players to give us a chance.

Fucked up the post again

[flash gunner]

Fucked up the post again

[I Hate Hleb]

Fixed it for you mate but come on, it's not that difficult to quote previous posts properly - even for someone without a state education!!

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Fixed it for you mate but come on, it's not that difficult to quote previous posts properly - even for someone without a state education!!

Cheers mate, it's this new Sinclair ZX Spectrum I've just purchased, state of the art my ass

[begeegs]

Got into an argument with some poster on a blog about the bargain buys of Swansea and Newcastle over the past couple of years. He said that those buys weren't good enough for Arsenal and wouldn't start. So my question to everyone here - would you take these players and are they better than what we have?

Michu - Cisse - Ba - Ben Arfa - Flores - Debuchy - Cabaye

He claimed that none of the strikers were much of an upgrade on Giroud and that Ben Arfa wouldn't get into the starting 11. He went quiet about Cabaye (I wonder why...)

[Supagoon]

Ben Arfa = Nasri, would have played would have been a very frustrating player for us, highly inconsistent, would have got a booing at the emirates.
Ba - Is average, Giroud is also average so its pointless. Maybe Ba is better than Giroud but Ba can't even stand out against a terrible Torres at Chelsea.

Cabaye - is a good player.

Michu? I really can't this too seriously. Michu looks like a great striker, but he was playing as a attacking midfielder in Spain. If you guys heard Wenger was going to replace RVP with a 2m journeyman midfielder you would have gone nuts. Nobody else took a gamble on Michu and the credit goes to laudrup and his staff.

All in all that list shows that the top quality players that win trophies are very unlikely to be found in the 10-15M let alone the <10M bracket. We'd be a better team with them but not by much.

Chelsea took a gamble on Moses for 2m, and he looks like a player who could look good at......... wigan. Not a Chelsea quality player, useful, but not at the required level.

Arsenal were supposed to be a club challenging for major honours and those players would only help us get flattened by the Bayerns, Utds and Barcelonas of Europe, just like we are right now.

[Babu]

Well, whatever. But if he is right and the Premiership is sliding (Chelsea won the fucking thing last season and ManUre were unlucky to go out this time) then why the hell is his team currently sitting in 5th position? Load of rubbish. Smokescreens. Take the attention away from his own failings.

And while I'm here I think I'll just comment on AW's latest rantings...

Chelsea won it last year ( as mentioned ), and Man U were cheated out of it this season, and why are there 3 English sides in the quarter finals of the Europa League, if the Premier League is so rubbish?

Our 'Leader' is a complete and utter cockmonkey, and the biggest fraud in football today.