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I know it probably pains you to go with Quartz on this Martin, but I think you've taken his points and made them worse! sorry

stick with...

1.) We pay high ticket prices, so encourage reinvestment in experienced new signings to improve the squad.

2.) We support the development of youth players, but worry there is an over reliance on youth, at the expense of older professionals whom the youth can learn from.

3.) We respect the social obligations and wider business interests of the PLC, but seek clarity that winning trophies remains the core objective.

Good effort people!

Arsenal 1991 wrote:I like it but not sure where we can use it yet?!

We need a short bio now for twitter and facebook. I think we should post the three aims in three tweets and a post on facebook, if we've agreed.

Yes we can do this. Can someone message me the exact agreed aims though because they've changed about 1000 times?

I think we are very nearly there but agree with flash that it should be:

We pay high ticket prices, so want to see reinvestment in experienced new signings to improve the squad.

Or

We pay high ticket prices, so want reinvestment in experienced new signings that will improve the squad.

Arsenal 1991 wrote:I think we are very nearly there but agree with flash that it should be:

We pay high ticket prices, so want to see reinvestment in experienced new signings to improve the squad.

Or

We pay high ticket prices, so want reinvestment in experienced new signings that will improve the squad.

Or we want David Dein back.

QuartzGooner wrote:Flash Augie,

How about this for point one?

Puts the onus on club to buy players rather than increase the wages of existing ones?


1.) We pay high ticket prices, so encourage reinvestment in experienced new signings to improve the squad.

2.) We support the development of youth players, but worry there is an over reliance on youth, at the expense of older professionals whom the youth can learn from.

3.) We respect the social obligations and wider business interests of the PLC, but seek clarity that winning trophies remains the core objective.

I think point 1 is fine, but would point out the reasoning is flawed.

What I mean that is precisely why the wage structure matters(not suggesting adding that now we covered how to handle that and agreed). If you place the onus only on signing new players but leave the wage issue aside then little changes. Our wage structure has stopped us signing certain players - we know of franck Ribery and I doubt he is the only one.

We also know we have lost certain players who would have made us possibly much better for staying over wages, whether simply because we wouldn't meet their higher wage demands or because of the over-30 policy.

And that is why the whole wage structure issue is a critical component to address, though I agree not here and now in this online or printed flyer.

g88ner wrote:I know it probably pains you to go with Quartz on this Martin, but I think you've taken his points and made them worse! sorry

stick with...

1.) We pay high ticket prices, so encourage reinvestment in experienced new signings to improve the squad.

2.) We support the development of youth players, but worry there is an over reliance on youth, at the expense of older professionals whom the youth can learn from.

3.) We respect the social obligations and wider business interests of the PLC, but seek clarity that winning trophies remains the core objective.

Good effort people!

It doesn't pain at all me to do anything that makes the best sense and that is the case here. We all have good ideas here and that is reflected in that we are all working and contributing to this effort at once.

Have taken US Martin's suggestions for the flyer and tweaked them

Remember that people look at flyers for just three seconds before deciding whether to keep or trash them.

Flyer design is real simple.

One one side you have the logo plus the dotcom, facebook and twitter accounts.

One the other side you have the below.



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WORRIED ABOUT ARSENAL?

1.) High ticket prices should be reinvested in experienced new signings to improve the squad.

2.) We support the development of youth players, but worry there is an over reliance on youth, at the expense of older professionals whom the youth can learn from.

3.) We respect the social obligations and wider business interests of the PLC, but seek clarity that winning trophies remains the core objective.

www.arsenalfcnotplc.com

www.facebook.com/arsenalfcnotplc

www.twitter.com/arsenalfcnotplc

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And if you are referring to my flyers G88ner all I have done is try to make it more easily readable and digestable to the supporters walking to or from the ground.

How many time s have you been handed something and just crumpled up or if you tried to read it lost interest quickly because it was too long or wordy (hint I intimately know all about the second part of that question so you can't fool me!)and then crumpled up a para or two in?

Point being this is to get them curious and interested and maybe even to actively join in our effort. It's hardly a final anything. It's a Whitman's sampler. The big box of candy will be the website itself if and when one is opened. If not that then the facebook page....

Quartz you've done well organising everything better, I think we've got a good amount of people on here that are prepared to actually do things instead of just talking about it.

This must be USM's wet dream

Quartz you've done well organising everything better, I think we've got a good amount of people on here that are prepared to actually do things instead of just talking about it.

This must be USM's wet dream

Henry Norris 1913 wrote:Quartz you've done well organising everything better, I think we've got a good amount of people on here that are prepared to actually do things instead of just talking about it.

This must be USM's wet dream

Quartz is a babe isn't he?

Its actually refreshing to see Martin write smaller concise and meaningful paragraphs.

kingjayson1 wrote:
Quartz is a babe isn't he?

Steady on!

QuartzGooner wrote:

kingjayson1 wrote:
Quartz is a babe isn't he?

Steady on!

I wouldn't go that far

That is not bad Quartz

The only thing is I think the points may be a bit hard to digest especially in a quick read which is all this will be

The other concern is its too short - or too small maybe better

We don't want there to be too much to have to read or whatever

but you also don't want the Flyer to only cover one third of the page and leave the rest blank - looks bad and looks like we have little or nothing really to say. Its a tricky balance. Even I am re-thinking as I type, but I think we need to split the difference just right on things like this.

Now this can be compensated by using smaller paper then 8.5 * 11 or some sort of graphics but you don't want at graphics that would distract from reading the message but simply eliminate the blank space on the page, Arsenal Red border top and bottom maybe, unless we want to use colored paper

We could also use larger fonts to minimize wordiness while minimizing empty space.

kingjayson1 wrote:

Henry Norris 1913 wrote:Quartz you've done well organising everything better, I think we've got a good amount of people on here that are prepared to actually do things instead of just talking about it.

This must be USM's wet dream

Quartz is a babe isn't he?

Its actually refreshing to see Martin write smaller concise and meaningful paragraphs.

Where???