London Riots

[gunner_ace]

I was listening to newsbeat on radio 1 on the way home from work earlier and they were interviewing some of the chavs asking them why they were doing this, and this is a selection of some of the answers.

"is coz we wanna show the police we iz in control innit"
"we iz sick of having nuffin and all dem rich people rubbin it in our faces"
"we never get a chance to have anyting nice so when we get a chance were gonna take it innit"

and then when they were asked how they felt their actions would impact those whose houses and businesses they were burning down one little shit just replied

"Das just the way it is innit"

My blood was fucking boiling. I really fear for the future of this country if the attitude of todays youth is so far removed from reality. They simply think they are all hard done by, therefore they dont need to work and they can do what they want because they KNOW the police can do sweet FA.

I really think to get this country back on course, then if David Cameron was serious about given these shits the maximum sentance then I hope he dishes out the 10 year maximum sentance that is applicable for inciting a riot.

[ThomasMitchell]

I was listening to newsbeat on radio 1 on the way home from work earlier and they were interviewing some of the chavs asking them why they were doing this, and this is a selection of some of the answers.

"is coz we wanna show the police we iz in control innit"
"we iz sick of having nuffin and all dem rich people rubbin it in our faces"
"we never get a chance to have anyting nice so when we get a chance were gonna take it innit"

and then when they were asked how they felt their actions would impact those whose houses and businesses they were burning down one little shit just replied

"Das just the way it is innit"

My blood was fucking boiling. I really fear for the future of this country if the attitude of todays youth is so far removed from reality. They simply think they are all hard done by, therefore they dont need to work and they can do what they want because they KNOW the police can do sweet FA.

I really think to get this country back on course, then if David Cameron was serious about given these shits the maximum sentance then I hope he dishes out the 10 year maximum sentance that is applicable for inciting a riot.

You are right it is dreadful. As for the minimum sentences, that would be nice but past form is not encouraging. The minimum sentence for carrying a knife is something like 5 years but only a tiny, tiny proportion of those that are found guilty of such a crime ever get that. In fact someone (sorry can't remember who) on here said last night that they were held up at knife point and the guy who did it got 30 days community service. Total joke. The sentencing policy in our courts is laughable. Let's hope Cameron sticks to his word!

[ThomasMitchell]

There's been so many talking points to come out of the past few days, and I feel terrible for the innocent people whose lives have been turned upside down by these events.

This doesn't really shock me as much as it does some people though. I've been saying for a long time that there's alot of kids in this generation (mainly from inner-city areas) that are a different breed to anything we've seen before. We've always known there's wrong'uns in society, but there's a generation out there that go way beyond that. I know it's a cliche, but these kids really dont give a fuck about anything or anybody. The morals and standards we live by don't even register for them. We see it all the time on smaller scales, you know what it's like when you're on the late train home and you've got the kid sitting across from you who finishes his McDonalds and drops the rubbish on the floor without a second thought. Usually, all the while the music is blaring from a tinny mobile phone speaker. It's not a big deal really, but it's just displays that "I really couldn't give a shit" attitude. A few years down the line and that kind of attitude results in stabbing someone...

Everyone has their opinion on how it's gotten this bad, I believe it's a combination of so many things. The standards of parenting in these areas has plummeted, and most likely non-existant. There's more support for troubled individuals in the education system these days, but the pressures and restrictions in schools mean that unless there is a parent at home wanting to help cultivate the positives out of this extra support, it's pretty much wasted. The light sentences handed out by the legal system aren't going to deter anti-social behaviour anymore, and then you've got a welfare system that is so backwards, it actually discourages people from finding a job. All these things combined, and it's little surprise we've got a generation of youngsters with no morals or direction.

I think the biggest contributing factor is the (lack-of) parenting. My mother works in a school and she tells me stories of how they have extra support for troubled kids, and of course there are varying degrees of success. But the heartbreaking stories are those where the kid actually responds and develops with the support and they see growth in their learning skills and personality, but their development can only go so far because they have no support at home. I've heard alot of stories of potentially very bright and academic kids who only ever got a glimpse of their abilities, before resigning themselves to the inevitible. It's so difficult, and I don't know how the parenting issue can be addressed, but worrying thing is, I can only see this getting worse.

At the end of the day, aside from a few hours on Saturday, this has been all about young people wanting to fuck up anything and everything. The thing is this kind of thing has been going on for so long now, albeit on a smaller scale, and I find it a bit insulting that it's only getting mainstream attention because of this extreme case. I know people whose lives have been made a misery because of youngsters hanging around their properties all night, vandalising their cars/property etc, but the Police hardly cared. It's gone on for years, and for whatever reason it's been allowed to grow and grow, and yes this is unique situation, but perhaps it might open peoples eyes to the scale of the problems many people face in their daily lives that never got anywhere near the news.

Good post.

[MM99]

I asked this before but it seems to have been ignored, but can we have this thread brought up for a few days seeing how the events are seriously impacting upon people's lives across the nation?

[marcengels]

I asked this before but it seems to have been ignored, but can we have this thread brought up for a few days seeing how the events are seriously impacting upon people's lives across the nation?

Send a pm to IHH, he'll do it.

[SWLGooner]

Hearing R.I.M. might shut down BBM in the UK. That would be a good move IMO.

[RNTGOONER]

don't know why people are so shocked by this... seen it coming for a while , groups of youths going on to trains and robbing the whole train / bus .... the scroats and the police had made a name for it : steaming

as in let's go steam that bus!

this left unchecked has escalated to this point

[the playing mantis]

ihh a liberal bashing stoner, whod have thunk it!

never thought id say this but good post demun.

you cant howver tar all teenagers witht the same brush, its the scummy underclass ones doing it for the simple fact that they are able to get away with it and no one has taught them different or right from wrong

re the looting, simple, anyone seen looting gets shot as is the the case in the us. no excuses no come back. if this message was given out what excuse would the looters have?

the only non extreme action the police can do is issue a curfew. doesnt hurt anyone and the medi cannot complain.

the arguement put forward by these social commentators often infers that lack of jobs has influenced his, howver most of the rioters are of school age.

[donaldo]

People can make all the excuses about poverty and deprivation but that is just slandering other people that are genuinely poor but that don't and never have felt the need to go and nick stuff from shops or rob someone else!!

Poverty and boredom? The kids today have never had it so good or had as many options in comparison to their fathers and grandfathers. The truth is that too many are lazy shit-heads that want the easy life but don't want to put in the hard yards that their predecessors did to enable them to get the nice things in life.

And regardless of what the moralistic BBC listeners, Guardian and Independent readers and other supposed 'Social do-gooders' believe, no amount of government money or contrived scheme is going to make an iota of difference to these fuck-heads that are in our streets almost every day robbing and bullying local people and premises with impunity, all because they can.

Well said IHH

Poverty.These *word censored* couldnt spell the word.Poverty to them is not having the latest pair of Nike's.When i hear people talk about poverty i think of children dying in Africa not these bunch of lazy layabouts who get up at midday and live off the welfare state.How many of these *word censored* are homeless? how many of them are starving?They are just a bunch of sewar rats living off the hard working people of this country.

[the playing mantis]

re the comments about the other cities, and the ethnicity of those rioting, there just copycats and all the chavvy scum, regardles of colour will come out and do it. it is obvious that the london riots and looting initially at least were made up of young afro caribbeans. thats not racist, just watch the news and the papers. now others have joined in

[ThomasMitchell]

Spot on IHH and Donaldo.

[StuartL]

But Deise, there are serious problems in the UK, and discrimination does exist. It is less than it has been before, but it is there.

I think the kids who looted are criminals and should be punished.

But it really seems like there is a "Welfare Class" in the UK; generations of people on benefits, single mums of 15 who have a kid just to get a council flat, people who see selling drugs as a legitimate career etc.

It feeds into a culture that encourages looting and laziness at the expense of hard work.

Agree with much of this Quartz - far too many in this country sit on their arse, being paid benefits and having a roof provided for them expecting, the council, dwp, and society to keep them, with no intention of putting anything back.

They are part of this greed is good culture where people want things and are encouraged to have them - regardless of if they can actually afford them or have earned them - big brother, x factor , lottery winnng wannabee's who have no talent but think they should be millionaires without having to actually work for things.

Unfortunately, when the poorer element of society face gas, electricity,food and petrol increases on an almost monthly basis and they see and hear of gready, corrupt politions fraudulantly claiming expenses and bankers losing millions yet being paid huge bonus' it simply fuels their sense of injustice.

The looting is a bad way of expressing outrage but is ultimately pointless as its the same shit tv programmes on a 50inch plasma as a 19 inch portable.

[the playing mantis]

sorry this is nothing to do with a sense of injustice. its opportunistic scum. most of those rioting are kids who have no idea about the state of the country, or any ambition to work or knowowledge of bankers bonuses etc.

[QuartzGooner]

Hearing R.I.M. might shut down BBM in the UK. That would be a good move IMO.

It stopped about 10.45pm last night for a few hours, but not sure whether that was ordered by the government or just the system overloaded.

But if they shut it, there are always What'sApp, Twitter, Facebook and Text Messages.

Very good post by Demun.

[worthing_gooner]

Trouble with the youths these days is that it's already too late for this generation.

These "youths" are near enough adults now. This behavious is ingrained in them and the youngsters coming up now are going to be even worse.

The only solution now is to hit them hard with radical solutions, but what does that mean? They'll never get longer jail sentences because the criminal justice system in the UK is backward and there isn't room in the jails for all of them anyway.

They'll get a slap on the wrist and go back to their street gangs mugging people at knife/gunpoint and robbing homes, and generally being chavvy little c**ts.

They're basically untouchable, have been for years, and they know it.