WALCOTT - which position is best etc?

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T.S
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Re: If Walcott leaves

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Red Member wrote:oh dear another one.
How do you work out that our best midfielder is replaceable?

If RVP and Walcott leave we will be left with only one world class player - Alex Song
Please do not talk to me about "another one". Let's be clear here, you are a WUM. No doubt about it. Your being here is tolerated simply because you make yourself the butt of the jokes rather than other people. If you want to post seriously then by all means, patronise me all you like. Until then, I'd ask you kindly to refrain from doing it.

Now, how do I work out that our best midfielder is replaceable? Let's just ignore the "best midfielder" remark, seeing as you and I both know what your game is there - and let's focus on how I "work out" that Walcott "is replaceable".

1. I don't think he's very good.
2. Even if he were Cristiano Ro-fucking-naldo, he would be replaceable.

You may struggle to recall this, but we have had, lost and replaced players the likes of which Walcott would not be fit to lace the boots of. Want me to name some? Okay, here's only a few...

Dennis Bergkamp
Tony Adams
Ian Wright
Charlie George
Liam Brady
David Rocastle

Now, while there's some on that list that I'm sure you don't recognise (you should Google them - they're really quite a big deal), you'll just have to take my word for it that they were far more significant to the Arsenal first team than Theo Walcott is or ever will be, and you know what? They left. Shock horror. However, life went on. They were replaced. "By who?" I hear you ask - by other players. That's who.

Now, this isn't to get too down on Walcott. I like him. I've got nothing against him personally. I just don't think he's very good - that's all.

So in answer to your question - how do I work out that Theo Walcott, a player who struggles to get in to the poorest England team for decades, is replaceable? Simple, because it's been happening to much, much better players long before I was on this planet and it'll be happening long after I'm gone.

Now...I know I've just bitten the fucking troll's bait. I just couldn't resist. I promise I won't in future.

Red - in future, stick with the Tim Nice But Dim approach. Maybe you've grown a pair now that Babatunde isn't around at the moment, but the intelligent, patronising approach doesn't really suit you (yes, I'm aware of the irony in what I just wrote).

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Re: If Walcott leaves

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rigsby wrote:Don't see why people want rid. He's a useful player, who whilst frustrating, is effective. He's still young, can still become consistant. Seems a level headed lad, never into any trouble. Why sell him? A lot of the OX comparisons are rather unfair.

I would suggest that many want rid cos the alternative is to "reward" the guy with a new 100k per week deal and that is totally unacceptable to most. Lets be honest here, even if he was willing to drop his demands to a "mere" 80k per week most would correctly decide that he isnt worth that much so he has to be shown to the door cos he has only one year left on his current contract and he hasnt shown anything near the required consistancy or quality level

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Re: If Walcott leaves

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I hope theo doesn't leave. I think he still shows enoght to be worth keeping and I think the critism he recieves is often harsh. However, if his ridiculous demands of 100k a week are true then he may not be worth keeping

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Re: If Walcott leaves

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T.S wrote:
Red Member wrote:oh dear another one.
How do you work out that our best midfielder is replaceable?

If RVP and Walcott leave we will be left with only one world class player - Alex Song
Please do not talk to me about "another one". Let's be clear here, you are a WUM. No doubt about it. Your being here is tolerated simply because you make yourself the butt of the jokes rather than other people. If you want to post seriously then by all means, patronise me all you like. Until then, I'd ask you kindly to refrain from doing it.

Now, how do I work out that our best midfielder is replaceable? Let's just ignore the "best midfielder" remark, seeing as you and I both know what your game is there - and let's focus on how I "work out" that Walcott "is replaceable".

1. I don't think he's very good.
2. Even if he were Cristiano Ro-fucking-naldo, he would be replaceable.

You may struggle to recall this, but we have had, lost and replaced players the likes of which Walcott would not be fit to lace the boots of. Want me to name some? Okay, here's only a few...

Dennis Bergkamp
Tony Adams
Ian Wright
Charlie George
Liam Brady
David Rocastle

Now, while there's some on that list that I'm sure you don't recognise (you should Google them - they're really quite a big deal), you'll just have to take my word for it that they were far more significant to the Arsenal first team than Theo Walcott is
or ever will be, and you know what? They left. Shock horror. However, life went on. They were replaced. "By who?" I hear you ask - by other players. That's who.

Now, this isn't to get too down on Walcott. I like him. I've got nothing against him personally. I just don't think he's very good - that's all.

So in answer to your question - how do I work out that Theo Walcott, a player who struggles to get in to the poorest England team for decades, is replaceable? Simple, because it's been happening to much, much better players long before I was on this planet and it'll be happening long after I'm gone.

Now...I know I've just bitten the fucking troll's bait. I just couldn't resist. I promise I won't in future.

Red - in future, stick with the Tim Nice But Dim approach. Maybe you've grown a pair now that Babatunde isn't around at the moment, but the intelligent, patronising approach doesn't really suit you (yes, I'm aware of the irony in what I just wrote).

8)

Told.

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Re: If Walcott leaves

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100k per week?

None of us know that is what he is really asking for.

It may just be a negotiating starting position, it may be totally made up by the papers.

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Red Member wrote:oh dear another one.
How do you work out that our best midfielder is replaceable?

If RVP and Walcott leave we will be left with only one world class player - Alex Song
Fucking hell :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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All top clubs in the world would cut their left nut off to have a player like Walcott.

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Re: If Walcott leaves

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Lets be fair no one on this forum at all knows what he is asking for or what he earns.

All i'll say is every time i see Theo Walcott on the pitch he gives his all, and sometimes his talent is undoubted.

I for one don't think i'd like to see him playing for another team in the premiership, first hand i've experienced how good he can be (chelsea away) and also how bad he can be (Blackburn away), but I know he can turn a game at times, i'm not stupid he isn't the complteted article but we are playing in a different Arsenal team now.

I for one wouldn't like to see Walcott leave us, and i'm expecting the usual abuse as usual but i think he is an asset if used well!

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Re: If Walcott leaves

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It's all very well slagging the lad off, but surely his game would be much improved if he would only stop tying his shoe laces together. :roll: :D

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supergeorgegraham wrote:All top clubs in the world would cut their left nut off to have a player like Walcott.
Then let them

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mikehutch86 wrote:Lets be fair no one on this forum at all knows what he is asking for or what he earns.

All i'll say is every time i see Theo Walcott on the pitch he gives his all, and sometimes his talent is undoubted.

I for one don't think i'd like to see him playing for another team in the premiership, first hand i've experienced how good he can be (chelsea away) and also how bad he can be (Blackburn away), but I know he can turn a game at times, i'm not stupid he isn't the complteted article but we are playing in a different Arsenal team now.

I for one wouldn't like to see Walcott leave us, and i'm expecting the usual abuse as usual but i think he is an asset if used well!
I agree :barscarf:

I really think he lacks confidence and if he can mature a bit I really think he will improve. I still think he is well worth keeping, depending on what demands he makes.

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mikehutch86 wrote:I for one wouldn't like to see Walcott leave us, and i'm expecting the usual abuse as usual but i think he is an asset if used well!
:D :D

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Re: If Walcott leaves

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The reason why big clubs would love to have Walcott is that they would be able to utilise him better. He is never going to be Mr Consistent, and should never be starting every game with such creative responsibility on his shoulders as our formation bestows upon him.

He is a player who will be deadly in spurts, and despite sharing several traits with the blue-arsed fly he's capable of changing a game off the bench or at least the tempo. He would be a great squad player if only he could be used properly (for example particularly against teams who tend to play higher lines or off the bench in games where the opposition will tired). Unfortunately, due to the lack of effective competition we don't have this luxury and he is instead a shoe-in who lacks hunger.

As much as anything else, it's one thing when Fabregas, RvP etc decide they're too big to be held back at the club, imagine what an indictment it would be on the club if Walcott was to decide the same.

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Re: If Walcott leaves

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I missed a few mins of the 2nd half of englands game the other night and remarked to the missus at the end of the game that I was surprised that walnut wasnt brought on considering the positive effect he had when brought on v sweden and I was gobsmacked when she told me that he had been brought on during those few minutes that I had left the room :shock: Did he even touch the ball ?? :? This, for me, sums up walnut to a tee.......when you are expecting fcuk all he will produce something but when you are expecting him to deliver then he is about as much use as a wet paper bag and I'm sorry but at a big club that is not good enough.

I keep asking those who defend walnut and want him retained, at what wage would you want him kept ? It is a fact that he is now in the last year of his contract so,should he fail to sign a new deal, this time next year he will be worthless to the club (I wont even bother with the very obvious comment that could apply there :lol: ) therefore it is either give him a new deal or sell the guy simple as. Feo feels that he is in a good position to make demands and even if you dont believe that he is looking for 100k per week, it is obvious that he will be looking for a fair old wage hike. We have all read the rumours of a summer of major overhaul which will see excess fat trimmed from the wage bill so from that point of view there is no point in walnut, his advisors or his fans on here defending his demands based on the fact that useless c**ts like diaby, bedtner et al are being overpaid cos hopefully it is a new dawn and that ship has sailed - is it acceptable that feo be one of the first to suffer under this new improved financial model ? Personally I believe so cos there is no way, given his lack of consistancy, that he can justify anything north of 60k per week in my opinion but everytime that I have asked that question to his supporters on here, they avoid giving a straight up answer so I will ask the question again......at what point would you say that he is not entitled to that wage and make the decision to sell ? Surely everybody has a cut off point ?

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Ive always been pro(ish) Walcott but if im honest i dont care what wages he gets, i remember when football was about what happened on the pitch i didnt know or care how much Charlie Nicholas got paid. Walcott had a better season last year than the previous ones yeah it still could have been a lot better but if he improves next season who knows.....

He was non existant for England the other night but i dont think he was passed to and a player in that position and role cant go looking for the ball, if it doesnt come his way there is little he can do about it but anyway we dont need to be losing all of our players at once again i agree we need a clear out Almunia, Flappy, Bendtner, Diaby, Squilacchi, Djourou, Denilson are all ahead of Theo in the shit list IMO and should all be got rid of but there will be no stability in the squad if we lose say 10-15 players this summer, it just doesnt make sense

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