Flamini

[OneBardGooner]

Exactamo !

Different strokes for different folks.

[Rosie_titters]

Flamini, tough tackling, no nonsense hard player - what a load of bollocks

went off last week after 30min with a bit of concussion, had a good weeks rest came back against Palace, a bit of bad weather and whimpers off after 6 mins with a groin problem.


Man City Germany Keeper Bert Trautman played with a broken neck, Terry Butcher ran around a lot with blood gushing out of his head, modern day footballers load of pansies

[bergkamp10]

Yet you have people defending Judas' move to them lot because apparently he deserved to win trophies and he was never getting them here with our ambitionless club.

What that *word censored* did was 10 times worse than Flamini running his contract out to go abroad.

Nothing wrong with honoring your contract.

RVP did little wrong either.

Players come, players go. Shouldn't take it personally. We've signed countless players ourselves under similar circumstance as RVP, Nasri, Cesc, Famini, etc. left us. It's normal.

The truth is, many football fans are like children. They like getting their own way and throw the toys out the pram when it doesn't.

For me I guess its that RVP and NAsri went to title contenders and rub our noses in it ever week when we hear their names,

Cesc I can understand, as well as Flamoni.

RVP having spent several years in the dressing room comes good and fucks off- no wonder he pisses many off.

Reading the other post about injuries does make me wonder though for RVP as when he was injured the other week I thought thats it for the season and he was back the next week

Its about loyalty, and thats all but gone sadly

As for Cashly and Adeb, grrrrrrrrrrr

Flamini I would say did very little wrong, Wenger should of dealt with the situation much earlier then he actually did. However I feel he could be a real asset come March/April if we'll still in the hunt for things.

Cahly and Adeb, these were both extremely bad, but we were better off without ABeb.

[g88ner]

I can see some people disagree with me, but I think people get hung up on the dizzying wages on offer in sport rather than human nature to maximise your career prospects, and I think that's a mistake.

The actual figure a person earns isn't important, as it's all relative to the sector you work in. As an engineer, I compare my wages to what I believe my colleagues will be earning and wages that other aerospace companies in the UK are offering. I'm happy in my job, and believe i'm exactly where I should be in regards to salary and career prospects, but the minute that changes and I feel i'm being undervalued or no longer on the career path I desire, then I'll look elsewhere.

I may look at my salary compared to that of a nurse, teacher or binman and question the logic of the pay structure in other sectors, but ultimately it won't make me feel obliged to stay at an engineering company if I knew I could do better elsewhere.

Perhaps I should be more loyal to the company that employs me, but personally I believe a company the size of the one I work for should, at the very least, be matching wages available elsewhere, if not offering better wages to keep attracting the best engineers.

Sport is the same. Footballers may earn a silly amount, but so do their colleagues, so it's all relative. So, the questions are similar to those I would ask...

1. Is my employer paying me the going rate for someone of my ability? - could I earn substantially more elsewhere?
2. Are my career prospects and ambitions being met by my current employer? - would I have a more successful career if I was employed elsewhere?

These are natural questions to ask. Especially for ambitious people in progressive careers. And if the answer to either (or both) of those questions are YES, then it's only natural to look at the possibility of moving on.

It's human nature to want to earn as much as you can and have the most successful, interesting career possible. And lets not forget, Arsenal take advantage of this all the time! - That's how we attract good players to the club in the first place, and is the reason the quality of players improves the higher up the football spectrum you go. We're not at the top of the footballing tree, so we lose some players with loftier ambitions, but we do far better than most!

The best employees will always be attracted by the best career prospects. That's true for engineering, banking, heath care and even sport, and those pesky footballers. As I said, it's human nature.

[topgoon]

There is no such thing as loyalty amongst premiership footballers. It's all about the money, money, money.

Yeah, changing jobs for more money and/or career progression is something unique to these pesky footballers, isn't it? - I mean, you'd never ever ever see a teacher, fireman, engineer, landlord, postman, binman, etc. move jobs for better pay or career prospects, would you? ... no way! - no, lets focus on the footballers and turn a blind eye to the rest of the human race

With all due respect that is absolute bollocks g88ner. You seem to have appointed yourself as devil's advocate on this thread!

How can you compare footballers on 100K a week with a fireman or a teacher on a few hundred a week? Particularly firemen, the vast majority of whom risk their life for shit pay because it is a calling, a vocation. They are the polar opposite of greedy mercenary footballers who only think of themselves. Modern professional footballers are NOT like the rest of the human race. Fuck that. That is a ridiculous comparison. If you get paid 100K a week for what is essentially a hobby to the rest of us then I'm sorry you should be expected to make a couple of sacrifices and should be expected to be loyal to the fans whose money finances your millions.

RVJC is scum. He cannot be compared to any other Arsenal player. He spent 7 years contributing next to fuck all whilst we paid him millions fucking MILLIONS and after he has one great season he cashes it in and fucks off to Manure, a club Arsenal fans have a particular distaste for for many reasons including the cheating cunty way they robbed us of the 50th game. Suddenly our ambition didn't match his? Fucking bullshit. Why didn't our ambition match his in 2007 or 2009 or 2010 or 2011? I'll tell you why - he was always crocked and Manure would never have signed him in those seasons. Of all the Arsenal players that have been and gone RVJC was the only one that actually REALLY owed us and owed us bigtime.

Also, just because it is a fact that most modern footballers are greedy mercenary crunts doesn't make it acceptable.

This post sums up all my feelings about that c word, he's up their with the vibrating phone lover for me. Nothing he can ever say or do would ever stop me from hating that c word. He deserves more abuse than Greedy.

[Theoperator]

Flamini, tough tackling, no nonsense hard player - what a load of bollocks

went off last week after 30min with a bit of concussion, had a good weeks rest came back against Palace, a bit of bad weather and whimpers off after 6 mins with a groin problem.


Man City Germany Keeper Bert Trautman played with a broken neck, Terry Butcher ran around a lot with blood gushing out of his head, modern day footballers load of pansies

Bit unfair mate, he had double vision, you have to have 5 days off, regs etc, it sure looked like a nasty head injury. we missed him against Dortmond

Trautman wouldnt have been allowed to be charged nowadays and Butcher wouldn't have been allowed a whisp of blood on the pitch nowadays

The 5 days off and a groin problem may be linked, I will give you that

[arseofacrow]

You wouldn't catch Flamini getting a red like that reckless fool Arteta

[burg hohenzollern]

He's out for 3 weeks. Huge blow, and it just has to be games against Liverpool and Utd. I will be amazed if we are still top of the PL after the Utd game.

[SteveO 35]

You wouldn't catch Flamini getting a red like that reckless fool Arteta

And today's most obvious attempt at getting a reaction award goes to.......

[arseofacrow]

You wouldn't catch Flamini getting a red like that reckless fool Arteta

And today's most obvious attempt at getting a reaction award goes to.......

[DB10GOONER]

There is no such thing as loyalty amongst premiership footballers. It's all about the money, money, money.

Yeah, changing jobs for more money and/or career progression is something unique to these pesky footballers, isn't it? - I mean, you'd never ever ever see a teacher, fireman, engineer, landlord, postman, binman, etc. move jobs for better pay or career prospects, would you? ... no way! - no, lets focus on the footballers and turn a blind eye to the rest of the human race

With all due respect that is absolute bollocks g88ner. You seem to have appointed yourself as devil's advocate on this thread!

How can you compare footballers on 100K a week with a fireman or a teacher on a few hundred a week? Particularly firemen, the vast majority of whom risk their life for shit pay because it is a calling, a vocation. They are the polar opposite of greedy mercenary footballers who only think of themselves. Modern professional footballers are NOT like the rest of the human race. Fuck that. That is a ridiculous comparison. If you get paid 100K a week for what is essentially a hobby to the rest of us then I'm sorry you should be expected to make a couple of sacrifices and should be expected to be loyal to the fans whose money finances your millions.

RVJC is scum. He cannot be compared to any other Arsenal player. He spent 7 years contributing next to fuck all whilst we paid him millions fucking MILLIONS and after he has one great season he cashes it in and fucks off to Manure, a club Arsenal fans have a particular distaste for for many reasons including the cheating cunty way they robbed us of the 50th game. Suddenly our ambition didn't match his? Fucking bullshit. Why didn't our ambition match his in 2007 or 2009 or 2010 or 2011? I'll tell you why - he was always crocked and Manure would never have signed him in those seasons. Of all the Arsenal players that have been and gone RVJC was the only one that actually REALLY owed us and owed us bigtime.

Also, just because it is a fact that most modern footballers are greedy mercenary crunts doesn't make it acceptable.

How about Cashley Hole - the product of our youth system who had known nothing but success in his Arsenal career, who spent most of 05/06 being crocked only for Wenger to bring him back into the side for the CL final, but who nearly swerved his car off the road for a paltry £55k per week, before sodding off up the road to those crunts???

Oh another absolute cuntbag, but I was only refering to RVJC because it seems that Cashley is (rightly) lambasted on here and no one ever tries to defend what he did, yet there are people on here that defend RVJC. The only other difference between the two is Cashley made a huge contribution to The Arsenal when he was with us, there is just no denying that, whereas RVJC spent the vast majority of his time in the treatment room contributing fuck all. Both selfish scumbags but I don't feel Cashley owed us near as much as RVJC did as we didn't carry Cashley for 7 years like we did with RVJC.

[DB10GOONER]

I can see some people disagree with me, but I think people get hung up on the dizzying wages on offer in sport rather than human nature to maximise your career prospects, and I think that's a mistake.

The actual figure a person earns isn't important, as it's all relative to the sector you work in. As an engineer, I compare my wages to what I believe my colleagues will be earning and wages that other aerospace companies in the UK are offering. I'm happy in my job, and believe i'm exactly where I should be in regards to salary and career prospects, but the minute that changes and I feel i'm being undervalued or no longer on the career path I desire, then I'll look elsewhere.

I may look at my salary compared to that of a nurse, teacher or binman and question the logic of the pay structure in other sectors, but ultimately it won't make me feel obliged to stay at an engineering company if I knew I could do better elsewhere.

Perhaps I should be more loyal to the company that employs me, but personally I believe a company the size of the one I work for should, at the very least, be matching wages available elsewhere, if not offering better wages to keep attracting the best engineers.

Sport is the same. Footballers may earn a silly amount, but so do their colleagues, so it's all relative. So, the questions are similar to those I would ask...

1. Is my employer paying me the going rate for someone of my ability? - could I earn substantially more elsewhere?
2. Are my career prospects and ambitions being met by my current employer? - would I have a more successful career if I was employed elsewhere?

These are natural questions to ask. Especially for ambitious people in progressive careers. And if the answer to either (or both) of those questions are YES, then it's only natural to look at the possibility of moving on.

It's human nature to want to earn as much as you can and have the most successful, interesting career possible. And lets not forget, Arsenal take advantage of this all the time! - That's how we attract good players to the club in the first place, and is the reason the quality of players improves the higher up the football spectrum you go. We're not at the top of the footballing tree, so we lose some players with loftier ambitions, but we do far better than most!

The best employees will always be attracted by the best career prospects. That's true for engineering, banking, heath care and even sport, and those pesky footballers. As I said, it's human nature.

I don't know wether you are missing the point here on purpose or not!

I'm sorry but there is no way you can compare football with a regular job. Football is an emotive thing, it stirs passion, loyalty, hatred, love etc, it has an emotive impact on millions of people. There is no regular job that does that. Your job has no emotive impact on anyone.

If you or your company underperform or act the crunt you lose customers. They have no loyalty to you beyond how much you contribute to them making money. A football team and footballers are different. They have loyal fans who remain loyal throughout, no matter how shit things get, and will return and pay their hard earned money again and again.

They say football is the most results driven business in the world and at a certain level it is, but it also carries alot of passengers too. You can become a millionaire without delivering those results. Players like JET, Flappy, Mannone, Robbie Savage, the DENCH idiot, will probably never contribute to a team winning anything major yet are paid so highly they are millionaires after a couple of years. They are overpaid and privilaged more than almost any profession, without the demand to deliver actual results to the same level as most other professions. could you earn millions being average at your job? I doubt it.

Now I have no real problem with players wanting to further their careers as such, or with a player that has contributed a lot to a team and feels that team is not going anywhere. I suppose Cesc might fall into that category (yeah it was supposedly all about returning home but I reckon he also wanted to win things too). Cesc contributed, he gave his all for the majority of his time with us. I don't feel Cesc left owing us anything really.

But RVJC? Not the same situation at all.

It is not acceptable that the club showed such loyalty to him for 7 years, making him a multi millionaire, whilst he contributed nothing, and then the first opportunity he has to cash it in and run off, he does. Not acceptable at all and not defendable either to my mind.

And again, I'll ask you why did RVJC not ask those "natural" questions of yours in 2007 or 2009 or 2010 or 2011? Why did he have no problem with our ambition during those seasons when he was being paid millions to sit on his arse and couldn't have got a top club to look at him?

Oops - answered my own question there!

[QuartzGooner]

I mainly agree with G88ner on this.

He said footballers have no club loyalty these days.

That is true for most players, who look to make as much money as possible, and win as many trophies as possible.

If that means moving clubs a few times, then they will do that, even if they once "declared" their undying loyalty for a previous club.

That is human nature, and just because a footballer earns more in a week that what most earn in a year is irrelevant to most players, because the money is all relative.
The footballer wants to compare his money to others footballers and sportspeople, not to the bin man.
He wants to be able to date the glamorous woman who is high maintenance, even if he may well end up marrying a more down to earth woman.
He gets into an expensive lifestyle, where he takes on a costly home, with a household staff, a certain standard of living that is hard to give up, not to mention giving money to family members and friend sot start their own business or pay off debts or setting up a charity.

I think the clubs show more loyalty to players than vice-versa.

I have no problems with what Van Persie did, I can understand his frustration at lack of trophies after eight seasons with us, but I do think the way he did it with that public criticism, was classless.

Did he owe us anything, yes he did.
But he did not want to end his career with regret at not having won the league, and at the time he moved he went to the most obvious club that could win the league, and he was correct.
In hindsight he may now be stuck with Moyes managed club that does not win the league for a couple of seasons whilst we look stronger, but let's judge that each May.