THE BOARD - Kroenke, Usmanov, Finances, AGM etc.

[BFG4]

I despise Abramovich for what he has done to football in this country. The sky money had taken to another level but he was the first to throw money at a mid range team and blow everyone else out of the water. Whatever the arguments about our model and others fact is without him picture would be very different - Chavs mid table as they are now possibly having been relegated, Arsenal vying with Utd 2004 onwards with challenge from Scousers now Leicester and ****. City - who knows? Without Chelsea demonstrating wealth buys trophies Arabs might not have bothered or taken over a French or Spanish team. Despite all the concerns about Wenger at moment, we have shown we can get into a position to win EPL without a super rich oligarch in control, a better manager might have succeeded in 2008, 12 or even now. I can never look at Chelsea and City as anything other than plastic clubs who can only achieve with an oligarch in total control, yes Kroenke is a *word censored* but we will always be able to hold our heads higher than the blinkered Chavs who won 1 League title in their pre Gazprom era.

I'm sorry but your argument is rather laughable. So we would have stood still like we have for the last decade, but due to Chelsea not being relevant, we would have been successful. The fact is that regardless of the oil money that has been commonplace in the last decade, we have failed due to our manager, simple as that. How many seasons did Wenger think he knew best, and didn't strengthen in the transfer window when the title was there for the taking. How about his inability to change his style of play depending on the opposition at a time when a tactical approach was becoming crucial. Add to that his prehistoric training methods that have led to so many of our top players being injured over the last number of years. I can accept the argument that competing with mega rich clubs like Chelsea was obviously difficult, but with a better manager, we would have been more successful since the oil money came into the league.

[armchair]

It still infuriates me that, after all the pathetic transfer windows, record-breaking defeats, failures, capitulations, insults, arrogance etc, etc, theres still supporters muddying the water, providing excuses for Wengers ineptitude by actively looking to apportion some or all of the blame elsewhere.

Look, this season, like every other season for a decade we are imploding because of Wenger. No-one else ffs. He has had £200mill to spend over 2 transfer windows and brought in an unknown midfielder from the Swiss league and a keeper. He has absolutely neglected to improve us in the CH, DM and CF positions that could have made us real, real contenders. He has not burst a gut and used all his resources to get us success. Thats on Wenger no-one else.

So its not City, Chelsea, Arab money, Russian money, Kronke, Gazidis, FIFA fair play (remember that old chestnut), referees, bad pitches, the weather or any fukin thing else. Its Wenger.

Having said this I do believe that the board are complicit in the fràud and should grow a pair and get rid of Wenger but considering that Wenger sits in on board meetings and it was Wenger who picked Gazidis as CE and they all defer to him on way too many decisions cause they're lazy cowards that aint gonna happen while Wenger makes money and until there is meaningful fan unrest and negative media against Wenger.

[SteveO 35]

It still infuriates me that, after all the pathetic transfer windows, record-breaking defeats, failures, capitulations, insults, arrogance etc, etc, theres still supporters muddying the water, providing excuses for Wengers ineptitude by actively looking to apportion some or all of the blame elsewhere.

Look, this season, like every other season for a decade we are imploding because of Wenger. No-one else ffs. He has had £200mill to spend over 2 transfer windows and brought in an unknown midfielder from the Swiss league and a keeper. He has absolutely neglected to improve us in the CH, DM and CF positions that could have made us real, real contenders. He has not burst a gut and used all his resources to get us success. Thats on Wenger no-one else.

So its not City, Chelsea, Arab money, Russian money, Kronke, Gazidis, FIFA fair play (remember that old chestnut), referees, bad pitches, the weather or any fukin thing else. Its Wenger.

Having said this I do believe that the board are complicit in the fràud and should grow a pair and get rid of Wenger but considering that Wenger sits in on board meetings and it was Wenger who picked Gazidis as CE and they all defer to him on way too many decisions cause they're lazy cowards that aint gonna happen while Wenger makes money and until there is meaningful fan unrest and negative media against Wenger.

And you've answered your own point right there mate - we have a controlling shareholder who calls all the shots (in the way any majority shareholder can). He chooses to continually reward TO1AW with improved contracts and allows him to carry on his economic project, and not only encourage it but sit there syphoning off management fees to related parties like Josh Kroenke, and flogging the property portfolio and milking the TV revenue. I'm pretty sure Wenger isn't solely to blame for our ridiculous ticket prices, booking fees, and ever increasing silver membership fees either

If Kroenke cared about Arsenal achieving what they should be achieving then he'd have fired Wenger's ass long ago or let his contract expire in 2014 and leave the club. Instead he carries on making him the highest paid manager in the league - unforgiveable. Whilst Wenger is years past his sell by date at Arsenal he has actually achieved something in the past (a flickering memory admittedly) whilst our owner hasn't made a single positive contribution to the club from the minute he bought it

[armchair]

"Consultancy fees", ticket prices, membership prices, property, tv money etc as you have mentioned are in the main really non-football related and Wenger rightly has fuck all to do with them. They are definite problems, yes, but dont directly impact on the day-to-day football side of the club and performances and results. Thats down to Wenger.

My point is yes, in an ideal situation Kronke should have sacked Wenger for his performance but mate, Kronke doesnt or never has to my mind professed his "love" for the club. Hes a businessman and Wenger is good for business.

Now, Wenger, thats totally different. He does directly impact football related performance. He does profess to have the Arsenals best interests at heart, but everything he does indicates that he only has Wengers best interests at heart.
If Wenger was giving us at least some semblance of value for money on the pitch and in terms of being genuinely competitive and earning his huge salary then maybe the other issues of ticket prices, management fees, etc wouldnt be so obvious. We'd all be too busy enjoying supporting a successful team.

Kronke has made money available to Wenger and Wenger wont spend it. Thats indisputable. If Wenger had went out and used the whole transfer budget, made us competitive, and we won the PL do you think Kronke would be pissed off at Wenger for spending the money or delighted that Wenger had brought success and positive exposure to Kronke PLC?

Yes Kronke has a lot to answer for at Arsenal especially for allowing Wenger to continue but football-wise, day-to-day, season-to-season results and performances, success and failure its all 100% totally on Wenger.

[armchair]

Heres one for you Steve0................

https://youtu.be/giWC3WtwoNE

[SteveO 35]

Heres one for you Steve0................

https://youtu.be/giWC3WtwoNE

Spreading the love both sides of the pond. Luckily for us London is where the money's at, because the greedy prick wouldn't hesitate to do the same with us given half the chance

[Ikechukwu1]

Now I understand what Arsene meant when he said we couldn't reduce ticket prices...
Now I understand why Red Action and the Cook's merry Mardy Gras hoes went love-marching for Kroenke and dissing Usmanov...
Now I understand why Stealing Stan needs them "strategic advisory fees"
Now I understand why we left Highbury
Now I understand why we have that £200m cash in the bank.

It's all for the future of the club, and we should be proud our ST holders continue to subsidise This:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 ... rams-owner

[armchair]

Now I understand what Arsene meant when he said we couldn't reduce ticket prices...
Now I understand why Red Action and the Cook's merry Mardy Gras hoes went love-marching for Kroenke and dissing Usmanov...
Now I understand why Stealing Stan needs them "strategic advisory fees"
Now I understand why we left Highbury
Now I understand why we have that £200m cash in the bank.

It's all for the future of the club, and we should be proud our ST holders continue to subsidise This:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 ... rams-owner

I read that article. Thin I read the idiotic comments below it. Obviously written by Wenger apologists or those who are just plain ignorant.......

"Kronke didnt strengthen us"

"Wheres all the transfer money"

Illustrates my point exactly of how easy it is for Wenger supporters to muddy the water and blame someone else (this occasion Kronke) fo Wengers failure to strengthen us.

[DB10GOONER]

It still infuriates me that, after all the pathetic transfer windows, record-breaking defeats, failures, capitulations, insults, arrogance etc, etc, theres still supporters muddying the water, providing excuses for Wengers ineptitude by actively looking to apportion some or all of the blame elsewhere.

Look, this season, like every other season for a decade we are imploding because of Wenger. No-one else ffs. He has had £200mill to spend over 2 transfer windows and brought in an unknown midfielder from the Swiss league and a keeper. He has absolutely neglected to improve us in the CH, DM and CF positions that could have made us real, real contenders. He has not burst a gut and used all his resources to get us success. Thats on Wenger no-one else.

So its not City, Chelsea, Arab money, Russian money, Kronke, Gazidis, FIFA fair play (remember that old chestnut), referees, bad pitches, the weather or any fukin thing else. Its Wenger.

Having said this I do believe that the board are complicit in the fràud and should grow a pair and get rid of Wenger but considering that Wenger sits in on board meetings and it was Wenger who picked Gazidis as CE and they all defer to him on way too many decisions cause they're lazy cowards that aint gonna happen while Wenger makes money and until there is meaningful fan unrest and negative media against Wenger.

And you've answered your own point right there mate - we have a controlling shareholder who calls all the shots (in the way any majority shareholder can). He chooses to continually reward TO1AW with improved contracts and allows him to carry on his economic project, and not only encourage it but sit there syphoning off management fees to related parties like Josh Kroenke, and flogging the property portfolio and milking the TV revenue. I'm pretty sure Wenger isn't solely to blame for our ridiculous ticket prices, booking fees, and ever increasing silver membership fees either

If Kroenke cared about Arsenal achieving what they should be achieving then he'd have fired Wenger's ass long ago or let his contract expire in 2014 and leave the club. Instead he carries on making him the highest paid manager in the league - unforgiveable. Whilst Wenger is years past his sell by date at Arsenal he has actually achieved something in the past (a flickering memory admittedly) whilst our owner hasn't made a single positive contribution to the club from the minute he bought it

Can I just add (for any of Mediocrity Kroenke's lawyers that may be reading this) that the opinions expressed above (specifically those statements relating to alleged fraud) are the named individuals' opinions and do not reflect the opinions of the Gooner Fanzine, Gooner 2 Gooner Forum, Online Gooner website, their owners, mods, employees or subscribers.

There you go lads, you can call him a thieving cúnt now.

[blair207]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/355 ... name=sport
Glad the money isn't being wasted.

[DB10GOONER]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/355 ... name=sport
Glad the money isn't being wasted.

Hi mate. I deleted your thread "Spend spend spend" as you have posted the same link here. No need for a second thread regarding the board or Kroenke. Cheers.

[armchair]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/355 ... name=sport
Glad the money isn't being wasted.

Hi mate. I deleted your thread "Spend spend spend" as you have posted the same link here. No need for a second thread regarding the board or Kroenke. Cheers.

Fukin Nazi!

[DB10GOONER]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/355 ... name=sport
Glad the money isn't being wasted.

Hi mate. I deleted your thread "Spend spend spend" as you have posted the same link here. No need for a second thread regarding the board or Kroenke. Cheers.

Fukin Nazi!

Danke Schweinehund!




Now, where's that "Ban the smarthole" button...?

[blair207]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/355 ... name=sport
Glad the money isn't being wasted.

Hi mate. I deleted your thread "Spend spend spend" as you have posted the same link here. No need for a second thread regarding the board or Kroenke. Cheers.

Ok its your board. I was just trying to give the story as much publicity as possible. If you feel that the owner buying the biggest ranch in the USA while spending an astonishingly small amount of money in the last two transfer windows isn't worthy of its own thread its your call.

[augie]

I think that I notice a hint of sarcasm there