The Banner

kiwomya · Post by **kiwomya** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:17 am

This is going to do more harm than good. Is now really a good time? do people honestly think that Wenger is not aware that the fans aren't happy?

The current squad is a lot better than the league position suggests. Clearly form and morale are a problem right now and if the fans arenâ€™t behind the team then it's hardly going to help matters, especially if the media get hold of it.

I donâ€™t understand what this is going to achieve.

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:18 am

Any twat unfurling banners for the next few games is going to get slated in the press when Arsenal start winning games again.

the fc not plc group are already coming across as spoilt children.
7 games into the season and you decide you want to get rid of the most successful manager in the club's history. Are you lot totally braindead??

and who will this board appoint to replace him?

remember this if Wenger decides to walk and he may well do if he gets much more abuse then Kroenke is still in power and he isn't going to pay top dollar to get someone good in - he will get someone on the cheap, and then we really will be stuffed.
Champions League or the Championship?

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:53 am

the fc not plc group are already coming across as spoilt children.
7 games into the season

you still don't get it do you? how long will it take for you to understand that our case against wenger has 5 years of evidence. you have absolutely no reason he can be kept other than things that have happened more than 5 years ago. your quote where you said losing 8-2 against manure was excusable becuase of the CL qualifier result was comical, it sounded like the deluded fool himself said it.

you need to learn that the Arsenal FC not PLC group stands against people like you that care more for wenger than our club. The group stands against 11 year old from the other side of the world on facebook that say they love arsene and don't know anything about the club, the sort of mongs that pollute our ground these days, that spend more time texting than supporting the actual club. People like iceman that make petulant cries of racism for attention and attend american football matches at wembley.

These people I detest as much as ****, they don't support the club, they quote pro wenger slogans they learnt from the internet to SOUND like supporters, and they think that makes them proper fans. I've actually had it with these people, I would happily go back to 1995 when we were 12th in the league, where people like you didn't exist, Bergkamp was on his way and we were stillv at Highbury and we were still a Football Club.[/quote]

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:20 am

Basil is a Gooner wrote:
Boomer wrote:Good stuff lads.

I was thinking about the flag last night whilst reading this thread.
There was talk eariler about getting it into the ground without the stewards taking it.

I had an idea for another flag...which now now counter the counter flag!

How about another flag which reads "In Arsene we Trust!"
The steward would allow that.

So as the team enter the field of play you rip off the leading 'T', which was stuck on in velcro, to obviously read "In Arsene we rust!"

Stolen from a previous Gooner cover Boomer......

Really?!

As you know I don't read the Gooner....a case of great minds I guess.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:24 am

Red Member wrote:Any twat unfurling banners for the next few games is going to get slated in the press when Arsenal start winning games again.

the fc not plc group are already coming across as spoilt children.
7 games into the season and you decide you want to get rid of the most successful manager in the club's history. Are you lot totally braindead??

and who will this board appoint to replace him?

remember this if Wenger decides to walk and he may well do if he gets much more abuse then Kroenke is still in power and he isn't going to pay top dollar to get someone good in - he will get someone on the cheap, and then we really will be stuffed.
Champions League or the Championship?

Brian Clough was Forest most successful manger and look where he left them.....
There's little place for sentiment in Football.

Eboue-Why? · Post by **Eboue-Why?** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:26 am

Red Member wrote:Any twat unfurling banners for the next few games is going to get slated in the press when Arsenal start winning games again.

the fc not plc group are already coming across as spoilt children.
7 games into the season and you decide you want to get rid of the most successful manager in the club's history. Are you lot totally braindead??

and who will this board appoint to replace him?

remember this if Wenger decides to walk and he may well do if he gets much more abuse then Kroenke is still in power and he isn't going to pay top dollar to get someone good in - he will get someone on the cheap, and then we really will be stuffed.
Champions League or the Championship?

1) Every top manager has his price. You have no evidence whatsoever that Kroenke wouldn't look to employ the best around

2) That seems to be the choice WITH Arsene Wenger in charge.

Look, personally I don't believe Wenger willl give 2 shits about the banner. The fact that all of our home games are going on General Sale should already be sounding alarm bells in the purple seats. But he has made too many wrong managerial decisions over recent years, has far too much power at our club and his stubborness has put me in a position where I can't stand to listen to him anymore. Me, a level headed 50 something lifelong supporter.
Red Member, your loyalty is admirable but mate, take your head out of the sand.

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:28 am

5 years of evidence?

you mean 5 years in which we managed to qualify for the Champions League every season whilst managing to compete for the title on a couple of occasions, and reaching a CL anc CC final?

you are against fans who just because they go on facebook you suddenly think know nothing about the club. Hmm funny that - fc not plc seems to be based on facebook and twitter

you hate some of our supporters as much as the y**s. That last comment makes me wonder if you are a proper Arsenal supporter at all. And as for going back to 1995 well that just sounds pathetic. This is 2011, stop living in the past and support the team.

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:34 am

Mostly well thought out (and mostly insult-free) replies to Red Member (unlike his post

).

The banner may do nothing for us. True. But at least it might spark genuine debate in the media. It might make a few people more aware that alot of Gooners (real proper Gooners that have been going to games before Wenger made us oh so popular

) are not happy, and don't want Wenger to continue.

Unfortunately for you, Red Member - your post is just the usual AKB points that show a lack of understanding about football in general and about Arsenal in particular.

Arsenal FC NOT Arsene FC.

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:42 am

DB10Gooner,

just been on the fc not plc facebook site and although I didnt comment as I refuse to use facebook I see there are plenty of proper supporters already having a go at the group.

it is pretty evident that you and the fc not plc lot thankfully remain the deluded minority at the club

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:49 am

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/ ... index.html

crisis what crisis?

Revgoon89 · Post by **Revgoon89** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:56 am

Red Member wrote:5 years of evidence?

you mean 5 years in which we managed to qualify for the Champions League every season whilst managing to compete for the title on a couple of occasions, and reaching a CL anc CC final?

you are against fans who just because they go on facebook you suddenly think know nothing about the club. Hmm funny that - fc not plc seems to be based on facebook and twitter

you hate some of our supporters as much as the y**s. That last comment makes me wonder if you are a proper Arsenal supporter at all. And as for going back to 1995 well that just sounds pathetic. This is 2011, stop living in the past and support the team.

What about jacking ticket prices up? The poor management of our board and manager who constantly display a worrying and insulting lack of ambition, which has resulted in the likes of Cesc and Nasri leaving because they realize our club is going backwards? The fact they have shown utter disdain for the fans who when questioning how the club is bring run, are force fed lies about how things will improve. Only to see nothing is ever done about anything.

How about the glorious dicator sticking his head in the sand and insisting that good times are just around the corner by sticking with the same lackluster tactics and investing in the likes of Squillaci, Denilson, Diaby and Eboue? By putting your faith in youth with the quality and experience to back them up. When his hand is finally forced after that 8-2 defeat, it's worth considering for the players he bought in, they need time to gel, hence why they should have been bought at the beginning on the season. The problems in the squad have not been addressed, and remains to be seen if they have been. How about how injury prone our players are? I don't see any action taken by the club to try and idenfity why that exactly is the case?

Yes we have reached finals in the last 5 years, and we bottled every single one of them, we could easily added a CL and two CC's to the cabinet, only for us to throw away strong positions each time, not to mention every time we have fallen apart when the title was realistically within our grasp. We have constantly shown over several seasons we are unable to maintain a challenge on any front. You might take solace from getting into Europe every year, but it feels rather hollow and insulting when months before we were challenging for league and cup honours and the staff insist that "We had a successful year and can be proud"

Okay, I was not around when we had the barren years of 72-78, or from 80-87, I missed the first double, the Fairs Cup, the FA Cup in 79. I came into this world just before Thomas scored at Anfield with seconds to go. I've been lucky to see the years from 89 -05 filled with success, fantastic players, memorable goals and matches. I am thankful to the likes of Graham and Wenger for providing us all with those times. Does that excuse how the club is being run now? No. Does it excuse how our manager has been acting? No. Does it excuse the clubs performance? No. Clubs wax and wane all the time, especially when problems are never addressed.

Red Member wrote:DB10Gooner,

just been on the fc not plc facebook site and although I didnt comment as I refuse to use facebook I see there are plenty of proper supporters already having a go at the group.

it is pretty evident that you and the fc not plc lot thankfully remain the deluded minority at the club

So we are deluded just for having our opinion then? Simply we feel that there are a lot of fundamental issues at the club which should be addressed ASAP before we really do have nothing left to salvage from this season? It's no surprisee are divided on this and nothing is ever done, when people like you are happy to fling insults everywhere.

TL;DR: Wenger has given us a lot of success. But we can't afford to hide behind that or the performances of recent years, with a board that takes no action and a club showing no ambition it shows there needs to be a shake up.

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:59 am

Red Member wrote:DB10Gooner,

just been on the fc not plc facebook site and although I didnt comment as I refuse to use facebook I see there are plenty of proper supporters already having a go at the group.

it is pretty evident that you and the fc not plc lot thankfully remain the deluded minority at the club

I'm not involved with "FC not PLC" but would agree with some of their views.

It's all about opinions - you call us deluded, we think the same about you. But the FACTS are against you. The FACTS are that;

1. Wenger has failed year after year to strengthen the squad sufficiently, resulting in an embarrassingly predictable fortnight of league collapse and cup exits in March/April every season.
2. Wenger has given improved contracts to poor quality and average players that have not earned them.
3. Wenger has persisted with a style of play that is naiive and has failed.
4. Wenger is tactically poor.
5. Wenger has continually let our best players leave the club and not replaced them with similar quality.
6. Wenger "masterminded" our most humiliating defeat of the modern era (8-2 at the manc filth), a team you/he would have us believe we are capable of challenging for the title under Wenger's "leadership".
7. Wenger cries poor as an excuse not to sign top players, yet he has had no problem paying rubbish like Comedy Eboue, DUH-nilson, Almunia, Squiggy and Barry top top wages. Is that good financial management?!
8. Wenger refuses to accept that the game has changed and insists in trying to ape Barcelona's style even though it is painfully obvious we do not have the calibre of players to play that style.

That's just a quick few points - lads, feel free to add...

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:20 am

frankbutcher wrote:

Got to agree. I would have sat there with some bullet points of arguments to make. I would also have prepared a list of counter-arguments to points I thought they were going to make. Thought Nick was swimming against the tide anyway.

Good effort.

I had done that, ended up using most of em.

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:28 am

DB10GOONER wrote:
Red Member wrote:DB10Gooner,

just been on the fc not plc facebook site and although I didnt comment as I refuse to use facebook I see there are plenty of proper supporters already having a go at the group.

it is pretty evident that you and the fc not plc lot thankfully remain the deluded minority at the club
I'm not involved with "FC not PLC" but would agree with some of their views.

It's all about opinions - you call us deluded, we think the same about you. But the FACTS are against you. The FACTS are that;

1. Wenger has failed year after year to strengthen the squad sufficiently, resulting in an embarrassingly predictable fortnight of league collapse and cup exits in March/April every season.
2. Wenger has given improved contracts to poor quality and average players that have not earned them.
3. Wenger has persisted with a style of play that is naiive and has failed.
4. Wenger is tactically poor.
5. Wenger has continually let our best players leave the club and not replaced them with similar quality.
6. Wenger "masterminded" our most humiliating defeat of the modern era (8-2 at the manc filth), a team you/he would have us believe we are capable of challenging for the title under Wenger's "leadership".
7. Wenger cries poor as an excuse not to sign top players, yet he has had no problem paying rubbish like Comedy Eboue, DUH-nilson, Almunia, Squiggy and Barry top top wages. Is that good financial management?!
8. Wenger refuses to accept that the game has changed and insists in trying to ape Barcelona's style even though it is painfully obvious we do not have the calibre of players to play that style.

That's just a quick few points - lads, feel free to add...

I can no longer take Wummy Headmember seriously!! He doesn't listen to reason at all, everything in his world is fine and dandy as long as his idol Wenger is still at the helm.

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:35 am

the one thing I find insulting is being called a WUM

the twats holding up this banner are the only WUMs as far as I can see.

the future is very promising for the team if supporters just got behind the team and started supporting it.

it is pathetic, the first short period of failure in nearly 20 years and you want the manager sacked. You clueless minority are turning he club into a laughing stock