prob the 300 mugs in the 15 rows behind me who SAT DOWN for the entire game twiddling their thumbsHenry Norris 1913 wrote:just got back. incredible support considering how poor we were, as soon as blackburn scored to make it 3-2 the atmosphere changed totally . gooners in the upper tier at each others throats when someone yelled "WENGER FUCK OFF". surprising how many still show faith in the c**t
Disagree! From what I could saw he didn't dive in, he stood up to his man. Considering it was his first game I thought he was an improvement on Gibbs and Clichy. There were a few occaisions when Mertesacker looked at Koscielny in disbelief. Sagna was roasted by Hoilett all game and he was way too forward in holding a tight line of defence. BFG (Big Fucking German) got done for pace once in the whole game and that's what they chose to highlight on MOTD.Arsenal Rich wrote:What did people expect from Santos??. He is Brazilian they don't bother with defending just like us, fits in perfectly!!!tel wrote:It was his 1st game but he was awful, right up there with Gibbs and Ckichy over the last few years.k.lertpisitkul wrote:Surprised no one mention how Sh*t Santos is. Reckoned he put Blackburn onside twice which they went on to score
Kos cost 10 million, that's 10 million for a 'player' (a non international, one season of top flight experience in the French league) who no one else wanted, except Wenger, who was only too happy to plough more of our money back into the French league to get him, the moment I saw him I knew he was going to be shit, and a season later there's no sign of any improvement in him.SteveO 35 wrote:When I look at Wenger's comments it tells me everything I need to know about our "devil may care" attitude to defending:
"We need to find defensive confidence. It's important we get that back quickly"
Err...get it back ? Like its something we once had and it slipped down the back of the sofa. Defensive confidence doesn't just come and go in an instant. Its borne out of a George Graham type approach to defending - worked on the training ground day-in, day-out, week after week, season after season, with hungry and committed players who are not scared of dislocating an eyelash when defending set plays. If he, or anyone else, thinks that just carrying on the same way will of a sudden bring a flash of inspiration then they're more naive than I thought to start with.
The most worrying aspect, is that TV5 and Wilshere apart that is pretty much as strong a side as we can field.....we certainly played our first choice defenders apart from TV5, whilst Ramsey, Song and Arteta are our best options apart from Jack. The forward three were definitely his first choices and he brought Gump on too.
And one final thing - can the "I think Koscielny is going to be a great centre half" followers, please please please look at this game and tell me when that day is coming. Yet again, against a team with quick, physical players who are strong at set plays he's as flaky as anything made by Cadbury's and fitting inside a tubular yellow packet. Newcastle away, Stoke away, Bolton away, Birmingham at Wembley - honestly the guy is never ever going to be good enough in this league. He's built like a fucking winger to start with (probably could do a better job than Gump thinking about it). He cost £2m less than Cahill was allegedly available and is now into his second season and in his mid-20s. Its all very well looking accomplised against the lower seeds in the CL and at home to newly promoted PL sides, but in a physical counter away from the comforts of the Bowl this guy (and Djourou and Squillaci) will cost us points time and time again.
Every cloud has a silver lining. Come on Abou me old sonfranksav63 wrote:Kos cost 10 million, that's 10 million for a 'playe'r (a non international, one season of top flight experience in the French league) who no one else wanted, except Wenger, who was only too happy to plough more of our money back into the French league to get him, the moment I saw him I knew he was going to be shit, and a season later there's no sign of any improvement in him.SteveO 35 wrote:When I look at Wenger's comments it tells me everything I need to know about our "devil may care" attitude to defending:
"We need to find defensive confidence. It's important we get that back quickly"
Err...get it back ? Like its something we once had and it slipped down the back of the sofa. Defensive confidence doesn't just come and go in an instant. Its borne out of a George Graham type approach to defending - worked on the training ground day-in, day-out, week after week, season after season, with hungry and committed players who are not scared of dislocating an eyelash when defending set plays. If he, or anyone else, thinks that just carrying on the same way will of a sudden bring a flash of inspiration then they're more naive than I thought to start with.
The most worrying aspect, is that TV5 and Wilshere apart that is pretty much as strong a side as we can field.....we certainly played our first choice defenders apart from TV5, whilst Ramsey, Song and Arteta are our best options apart from Jack. The forward three were definitely his first choices and he brought Gump on too.
And one final thing - can the "I think Koscielny is going to be a great centre half" followers, please please please look at this game and tell me when that day is coming. Yet again, against a team with quick, physical players who are strong at set plays he's as flaky as anything made by Cadbury's and fitting inside a tubular yellow packet. Newcastle away, Stoke away, Bolton away, Birmingham at Wembley - honestly the guy is never ever going to be good enough in this league. He's built like a fucking winger to start with (probably could do a better job than Gump thinking about it). He cost £2m less than Cahill was allegedly available and is now into his second season and in his mid-20s. Its all very well looking accomplised against the lower seeds in the CL and at home to newly promoted PL sides, but in a physical counter away from the comforts of the Bowl this guy (and Djourou and Squillaci) will cost us points time and time again.
In other news though SteveO, Diaby is nearly fit...
As always Steve, an excellent post. No 'Wenger is a crunt' statements, just the facts of where we currently stand. And there is only one man responsible for all this, and that is Arsene Wenger. He sets the tone at the club both on and off the field. He is the one who decides whether we need to carry out defensive drills in training and as Stewart Robson confirmed this morning, nothing of the sort takes place, only small sided games to improve technical skills. This is where the AKBs need to take their heads out of the sand and realise that when they say 'Who is there to take over?' then there are a billion managers out there who know the importance of defending and the importance of having organisers at the back who can bollock players when they're not doing the right things for the team.SteveO 35 wrote:One of the things that distresses me the most, and it's been there for a few seasons now, is the attitude problem that the team has. Look at the facts yesterday.
We were playing a team whose confidence was lower than our own, exposing them time and time again, and manage to get a 1-0 after 10 minutes. Now its at this point that our approach differs to what we had around 7 or 8 years ago and what United have now. We'd have fucking rubbed there noses in it in 2004, like United did to Bolton last weekend (and indeed what we did on the way to our first double in 1998 at Ewood Park !). Leaders in the team can sense the home side on the brink of meltdown and just carry on relentlessly battering them and effectively killing the game off inside 30 minutes.
These days, we are one comedy moment away from re-installing a team's shattered confidence in the blink of an eye. We miss chance, after clear cut chance - Gervinho's missed chance to tee-up RvP at least twice yesterday, a classic example. We used to be ruthless smashing six at Boro, four at Ewood, Elland Road and numerous other places, where we sensed that as soon as our first goal went in the oppo were there for the taking.
We just don't work hard enough in those 20-30 minute spells any more. All the nonsense I heard about us "turning the corner" after a scraped 1-0 win against Swansea and a draw against the pot four seeds in Germany beggars belief. It's all very well talking the talk but if we really had turned the corner, then frankly we should have been out of sight long before fatboy Yakubu drove his tank between the gaps in our defence.
I could sense the Blackburn fans were 10 minutes away from really giving Kean and the owners a barrage of abuse when we were 1-0 up and a team that possessed a mixture of the ruthless attacking players (Henry, Anelka, Overmars, Bergkamp etc) and unerring leadership (Vieira, Petit, Adams) would have had them heading for the exits half an hour into the game.
Sadly now, we seem more pre-occupied with admiring our technical skills in the mirror long before the game is dead. As well as the substandard nature of our defensive players, there is also a definite lack of killer instinct that permeates this squad
The point has been made on here dozens of times. Wenger is managing in a time warp. When he first turned up in England he brought in different things, a different style of play, nutrition, fitness, technique, pace etc. Everyone else has caught up. He hasn't moved on. He needs to go.Eboue-Why? wrote:As always Steve, an excellent post. No 'Wenger is a crunt' statements, just the facts of where we currently stand. And there is only one man responsible for all this, and that is Arsene Wenger. He sets the tone at the club both on and off the field. He is the one who decides whether we need to carry out defensive drills in training and as Stewart Robson confirmed this morning, nothing of the sort takes place, only small sided games to improve technical skills. This is where the AKBs need to take their heads out of the sand and realise that when they say 'Who is there to take over?' then there are a billion managers out there who know the importance of defending and the importance of having organisers at the back who can bollock players when they're not doing the right things for the team.SteveO 35 wrote:One of the things that distresses me the most, and it's been there for a few seasons now, is the attitude problem that the team has. Look at the facts yesterday.
We were playing a team whose confidence was lower than our own, exposing them time and time again, and manage to get a 1-0 after 10 minutes. Now its at this point that our approach differs to what we had around 7 or 8 years ago and what United have now. We'd have fucking rubbed there noses in it in 2004, like United did to Bolton last weekend (and indeed what we did on the way to our first double in 1998 at Ewood Park !). Leaders in the team can sense the home side on the brink of meltdown and just carry on relentlessly battering them and effectively killing the game off inside 30 minutes.
These days, we are one comedy moment away from re-installing a team's shattered confidence in the blink of an eye. We miss chance, after clear cut chance - Gervinho's missed chance to tee-up RvP at least twice yesterday, a classic example. We used to be ruthless smashing six at Boro, four at Ewood, Elland Road and numerous other places, where we sensed that as soon as our first goal went in the oppo were there for the taking.
We just don't work hard enough in those 20-30 minute spells any more. All the nonsense I heard about us "turning the corner" after a scraped 1-0 win against Swansea and a draw against the pot four seeds in Germany beggars belief. It's all very well talking the talk but if we really had turned the corner, then frankly we should have been out of sight long before fatboy Yakubu drove his tank between the gaps in our defence.
I could sense the Blackburn fans were 10 minutes away from really giving Kean and the owners a barrage of abuse when we were 1-0 up and a team that possessed a mixture of the ruthless attacking players (Henry, Anelka, Overmars, Bergkamp etc) and unerring leadership (Vieira, Petit, Adams) would have had them heading for the exits half an hour into the game.
Sadly now, we seem more pre-occupied with admiring our technical skills in the mirror long before the game is dead. As well as the substandard nature of our defensive players, there is also a definite lack of killer instinct that permeates this squad
The ONE thing that I really really hate about Wenger is his belief that he doesn't need to build a team around a solid, world class defence. He still believes, like yesterday, that we will always convert most of our chances and that if you score 1, we'll score 2 etc Well Arsene me old China, that might work when you have Dennis, Thierry etc in your team combined with powerhouses in midfield to protect the defence, but these days we have none of this and until we do, your philophosy will ALWAYS fail.
At 4-2 yesterday I couldn't even moan or shout cos it's just normal for that to happen these days. This morning I feel FUCKING LIVID that this man is still getting away with not managing or building a team properly. All successful teams have a solid foundation, all of them. When will this stubborn, big headed old man wake up and smell the coffee.
GOD I'M FUCKED OFF
All great points well made. I am so pissed off with watching this pathetic excuse for a team, this is no team, its a bunch of overpaid over hyped individuals who when the going gets tough start looking around for the closest man to blame. This is all Wengers fault for failing to instill a proper work ethic and love for the club while paying rubbish like Diaby and Denilsen 50-60k a week and then not bothering to coach them properly and telling them "don't worry lads top 4 is success", what a load of bollocks !!.Eboue-Why? wrote:As always Steve, an excellent post. No 'Wenger is a crunt' statements, just the facts of where we currently stand. And there is only one man responsible for all this, and that is Arsene Wenger. He sets the tone at the club both on and off the field. He is the one who decides whether we need to carry out defensive drills in training and as Stewart Robson confirmed this morning, nothing of the sort takes place, only small sided games to improve technical skills. This is where the AKBs need to take their heads out of the sand and realise that when they say 'Who is there to take over?' then there are a billion managers out there who know the importance of defending and the importance of having organisers at the back who can bollock players when they're not doing the right things for the team.SteveO 35 wrote:One of the things that distresses me the most, and it's been there for a few seasons now, is the attitude problem that the team has. Look at the facts yesterday.
We were playing a team whose confidence was lower than our own, exposing them time and time again, and manage to get a 1-0 after 10 minutes. Now its at this point that our approach differs to what we had around 7 or 8 years ago and what United have now. We'd have fucking rubbed there noses in it in 2004, like United did to Bolton last weekend (and indeed what we did on the way to our first double in 1998 at Ewood Park !). Leaders in the team can sense the home side on the brink of meltdown and just carry on relentlessly battering them and effectively killing the game off inside 30 minutes.
These days, we are one comedy moment away from re-installing a team's shattered confidence in the blink of an eye. We miss chance, after clear cut chance - Gervinho's missed chance to tee-up RvP at least twice yesterday, a classic example. We used to be ruthless smashing six at Boro, four at Ewood, Elland Road and numerous other places, where we sensed that as soon as our first goal went in the oppo were there for the taking.
We just don't work hard enough in those 20-30 minute spells any more. All the nonsense I heard about us "turning the corner" after a scraped 1-0 win against Swansea and a draw against the pot four seeds in Germany beggars belief. It's all very well talking the talk but if we really had turned the corner, then frankly we should have been out of sight long before fatboy Yakubu drove his tank between the gaps in our defence.
I could sense the Blackburn fans were 10 minutes away from really giving Kean and the owners a barrage of abuse when we were 1-0 up and a team that possessed a mixture of the ruthless attacking players (Henry, Anelka, Overmars, Bergkamp etc) and unerring leadership (Vieira, Petit, Adams) would have had them heading for the exits half an hour into the game.
Sadly now, we seem more pre-occupied with admiring our technical skills in the mirror long before the game is dead. As well as the substandard nature of our defensive players, there is also a definite lack of killer instinct that permeates this squad
The ONE thing that I really really hate about Wenger is his belief that he doesn't need to build a team around a solid, world class defence. He still believes, like yesterday, that we will always convert most of our chances and that if you score 1, we'll score 2 etc Well Arsene me old China, that might work when you have Dennis, Thierry etc in your team combined with powerhouses in midfield to protect the defence, but these days we have none of this and until we do, your philophosy will ALWAYS fail.
At 4-2 yesterday I couldn't even moan or shout cos it's just normal for that to happen these days. This morning I feel FUCKING LIVID that this man is still getting away with not managing or building a team properly. All successful teams have a solid foundation, all of them. When will this stubborn, big headed old man wake up and smell the coffee.
GOD I'M FUCKED OFF
But they are 'special' players with huge potentialTeeCee wrote:I've just seen the goals.
Catastrophic defending from Djourou and Koscielny. These two muppets should be nowhere near the Arsenal team, not within a million miles. Add Squillaci to the equation and you see that Wenger has filled our Central defence with players who are, in all honesty, not even championship standard. These are division 1 players. They must be living the dream, you're shit and you're playing for Arsenal earning a fortune! What a fucking depressing outlook we have.
