WALCOTT - which position is best etc?

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Re: If Walcott leaves

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For me, he is a decent squad player, but no more. He definitely shouldn't be an automatic starter. The reason that he is at the moment is because we currently don't have any better options there.

If he was looking for a wage hike, I'd say adios as well and pawn him off to another club. He isn't consistent enough to start every game in my opinion. I am not saying that he is a bad player, but perhaps not as good as some on this forum are claiming.

He has gotten somewhat better and he may get slightly better still, but I think that despite playing as a starter for a few years now, I expect that he would be better than he is.

So here is a question - Who is better Kalou or Walcott?

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begeegs wrote:For me, he is a decent squad player, but no more. He definitely shouldn't be an automatic starter. The reason that he is at the moment is because we currently don't have any better options there.

If he was looking for a wage hike, I'd say adios as well and pawn him off to another club. He isn't consistent enough to start every game in my opinion. I am not saying that he is a bad player, but perhaps not as good as some on this forum are claiming.

He has gotten somewhat better and he may get slightly better still, but I think that despite playing as a starter for a few years now, I expect that he would be better than he is.

So here is a question - Who is better Kalou or Walcott?
That's like comparing a steaming pile of shit to a steaming pile of puke... Hmmm..

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franksav63 wrote:
begeegs wrote:For me, he is a decent squad player, but no more. He definitely shouldn't be an automatic starter. The reason that he is at the moment is because we currently don't have any better options there.

If he was looking for a wage hike, I'd say adios as well and pawn him off to another club. He isn't consistent enough to start every game in my opinion. I am not saying that he is a bad player, but perhaps not as good as some on this forum are claiming.

He has gotten somewhat better and he may get slightly better still, but I think that despite playing as a starter for a few years now, I expect that he would be better than he is.

So here is a question - Who is better Kalou or Walcott?
That's like comparing a steaming pile of shit to a steaming pile of puke... Hmmm..

what if the pile of puke had a dump? or the dump was sick? :rubchin: :shock:

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arseofacrow wrote:
franksav63 wrote:
begeegs wrote:For me, he is a decent squad player, but no more. He definitely shouldn't be an automatic starter. The reason that he is at the moment is because we currently don't have any better options there.

If he was looking for a wage hike, I'd say adios as well and pawn him off to another club. He isn't consistent enough to start every game in my opinion. I am not saying that he is a bad player, but perhaps not as good as some on this forum are claiming.

He has gotten somewhat better and he may get slightly better still, but I think that despite playing as a starter for a few years now, I expect that he would be better than he is.

So here is a question - Who is better Kalou or Walcott?
That's like comparing a steaming pile of shit to a steaming pile of puke... Hmmm..

what if the pile of puke had a dump? or the dump was sick? :rubchin: :shock:
:lol: :lol:

Same thing... I suppose :? :wink:

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I await Mutley's opinion as he is the forum expert on poo and puking. 8) :lol: :lol: :wink:

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Certainly get the feeling negotiations are tough, stories of bids from Chelsea and Liverpool could be agent trying to push up his worth.

If he does go leaves us with Podolski, The Ox, Gervinho, Miyaichi and Santos as wide men. (Perhaps Lansbury and Watt too?)

I reckon we need to add to that by one more quality player if Walcott goes.

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QuartzGooner wrote:Certainly get the feeling negotiations are tough, stories of bids from Chelsea and Liverpool could be agent trying to push up his worth.

If he does go leaves us with Podolski, The Ox, Gervinho, Miyaichi and Santos as wide men. (Perhaps Lansbury and Watt too?)

I reckon we need to add to that by one more quality player if Walcott goes.


Don't need to be quality to replace walnut - lightening pace, an over heightened sense of self worth and a general lack of football intelligence and you have what feo has :roll: :oops: :evil: :evil:

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no loss 1 trick pony kick ball run fast but if fullback is as fast as him hes fucked has no idea what to do.If someone wants to pay 15m upwards snap their hands off.Always wanted him to do well but 6 years with us and hasnt developed

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mcdowell42 wrote:no loss 1 trick pony kick ball run fast but if fullback is as fast as him hes fucked has no idea what to do.If someone wants to pay 15m upwards snap their hands off.Always wanted him to do well but 6 years with us and hasnt developed

I've gotta agree. He has shown far too little to justify any demands any where near £100k. I know that figure might be bollox but lets just say its £80K. Is he really worth it??? What exactly has he done to justify that kinda money apart from the odd 'flash (bit of speed)' of brilliance. Who are we trying to kid? We have had a lot better in the past and without doubt will have much better in the future. For £15 mil plus I'd drive him to any club that would have him.

Let's just say we got brave and spent the money elsewhere (stupid idea i know :shock: ). I bet we could get a lot fu*king better if we said we would pay £20 mil and £100k a week.

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The problem with Walcott was he was given a contract of £67k a week when had achieved nothing.Too much money too soon typical Wenger.Now he wants a new contract worth £100k a week plus.To me Walcott has always been an impact sub using his pace against tired defenders.But he should not be a regular starter because he is too inconsistent.Get shot of him and give the Ox his chance

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Tough one for me, I agree on on hand that he is inconsistent (so are more than half our squad though tbf) but on the other hand he can make a difference in a game and his goals and assists this season can't be ignored whatever your opinion of him, what was it 13 goals and 12 assists, thats got to be up there with the best in the league.

He also scores and assists against the big teams so can't be labelled a flat track bully either.

Problem for me is if we lose both RVP and Theo that is a lot of goals and assists out of the team, who is gonna step up and fill that void, I don't think gervinho and chamakh could hit a barn door with an elephant, the ox is still developing, rosicky might get two or three likewise arteta, song and diaby (if he ever plays), park is just a fekin myth, arshavin won't care a fuck if we can't shift him, bendy will be gone (although if he stayed wouild outscore all mentioned and that is saying something).

So for me it's all down to the two new boys and that is already pressure on their shoulders especially in their first PL season, with Theo about at least he can hit the ground running and will help the new boys bed in.

Everybody and his dog knows Theos limitations so please don't try and state the obvious but I just think we can't afford to lose 2 of our more experienced forward players. I don't think he is worth anywhere near 100k a week either, no fucking footballer is but theirs is not the real world.

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LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Tough one for me, I agree on on hand that he is inconsistent (so are more than half our squad though tbf) but on the other hand he can make a difference in a game and his goals and assists this season can't be ignored whatever your opinion of him, what was it 13 goals and 12 assists, thats got to be up there with the best in the league.

He also scores and assists against the big teams so can't be labelled a flat track bully either.

Problem for me is if we lose both RVP and Theo that is a lot of goals and assists out of the team, who is gonna step up and fill that void, I don't think gervinho and chamakh could hit a barn door with an elephant, the ox is still developing, rosicky might get two or three likewise arteta, song and diaby (if he ever plays), park is just a fekin myth, arshavin won't care a fuck if we can't shift him, bendy will be gone (although if he stayed wouild outscore all mentioned and that is saying something).

So for me it's all down to the two new boys and that is already pressure on their shoulders especially in their first PL season, with Theo about at least he can hit the ground running and will help the new boys bed in.

Everybody and his dog knows Theos limitations so please don't try and state the obvious but I just think we can't afford to lose 2 of our more experienced forward players. I don't think he is worth anywhere near 100k a week either, no fucking footballer is but theirs is not the real world.
Agree 100%. I don’t rate Theo as a world beater and he is way too inconsistent to be an automatic first choice starter. But he can deliver as an impact sub, and often against the bigger teams too. I would cut his pay and use him as a sub and if he wasn’t happy then fuck it, sell him to the highest bidder.

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It will be a big loss if Theo goes and frankly we will miss him more than may people may admit. I still dont think we have seen the best from Theo yet and its easy to forget that he is only 23 and can only improve and become more consistent. If he does go there is no way you can say that we have enough players to get by as we know that the money wont be reinvested in the team. Gervinho is awful, Ox too young and Arshavin too lazy so like it or not Theo is our best player at the position even if his attitude does stink.

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DB10GOONER wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:Tough one for me, I agree on on hand that he is inconsistent (so are more than half our squad though tbf) but on the other hand he can make a difference in a game and his goals and assists this season can't be ignored whatever your opinion of him, what was it 13 goals and 12 assists, thats got to be up there with the best in the league.

He also scores and assists against the big teams so can't be labelled a flat track bully either.

Problem for me is if we lose both RVP and Theo that is a lot of goals and assists out of the team, who is gonna step up and fill that void, I don't think gervinho and chamakh could hit a barn door with an elephant, the ox is still developing, rosicky might get two or three likewise arteta, song and diaby (if he ever plays), park is just a fekin myth, arshavin won't care a fuck if we can't shift him, bendy will be gone (although if he stayed wouild outscore all mentioned and that is saying something).

So for me it's all down to the two new boys and that is already pressure on their shoulders especially in their first PL season, with Theo about at least he can hit the ground running and will help the new boys bed in.

Everybody and his dog knows Theos limitations so please don't try and state the obvious but I just think we can't afford to lose 2 of our more experienced forward players. I don't think he is worth anywhere near 100k a week either, no fucking footballer is but theirs is not the real world.
Agree 100%. I don’t rate Theo as a world beater and he is way too inconsistent to be an automatic first choice starter. But he can deliver as an impact sub, and often against the bigger teams too. I would cut his pay and use him as a sub and if he wasn’t happy then fuck it, sell him to the highest bidder.
Spot on but in this crazy world of modern football his agents and advisors will be telling him he is worth MORE than 100k per week and Arsenal should be thankful that Theo ONLY wants 100k per week. Fekin Madness :roll:

I don't think he will get 100k per week but I bet he gets offered at least 80k and that is too much but if chamakh is on approx 70k per week (£69,950 too fekin much) then who can blame him :roll:

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Deise Gooner wrote: I still dont think we have seen the best from Theo yet and its easy to forget that he is only 23 and can only improve and become more consistent. .
can he ? - what if he continues for another two years at these high wages. then he's 25....

Tony Adams, Anelka, Cesc, Jack and OX have all shown they've got it by the age of 18. Our Theo is five years past that. by 21 Tony Adams was our captain.

As much as I wanted him to succeed he hasn't. He's England's next Joe Cole. sorry but its true.

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