Arsenal v Manure

[augie]

Oops

[bunch]

Should also add that Wenger agreeing to sell RVJ to The Filth is his most shameful decision in his 250 years in charge.

Agreed. Embarrassing to hear Ferguson smugly gloating about how he called Wenger personally on multiple occasions to ensure the deal went through.

All the stuff about our ambition (or lack thereof) goes to the systematic failings of the club in the last half a decade and is responsible for a lot more than van Judas going. Clearly until that gets sorted, we ain't going anywhere good.

But even after he told them he wanted to go they should have said right, find yourself a club somewhere else because I would rather sell my left bollock to United than you. Taking a hard stance would have made him re-evaluate and probably secured a different result - I doubt he would have still released that statement and risked burning all bridges for a move that wasn't going to happen. Instead, we buried our heads in the fucking sand and pretended he might still stay, allowing him to grab us by the balls and fuck us hard.

That said, I don't think the club really fucked up the contract situation, I don't think there's a lot they could have done differently.

When the talk started last summer about him going to Man U I honestly thought the club would take this stance. I thought there was no way he'd go to Manyoo. I just hadn't realised how much making a profit on players was central to AFC plc's business model.

There is a double edged sword with all this business. Judas van Staplecunt's leaving has exposed for all to see the primacy given at our club to making a profit above all else. As far as Kroenke is concerned we are not a foorball club but a Soccer themed revenue stream. There is no hiding now, trophies and glory are secondary to making money at Arsenal Football Club. But that doesn't mean JvS isn't an ungrateful "word censored". As NB123 says, hating van Staplecunt for going to Manyoo and wanting Wenger, Kroenke and the rest of them out of our club aren't mutually exclusive positions.

[littlefire]

He injured himself on purpose so he could lie about for years and eat hamsters from Wenger's personal supply...

[flash gunner]

He injured himself on purpose so he could lie about for years and eat hamsters from Wenger's personal supply...

Poor old Ham-ster

[littlefire]

He injured himself on purpose so he could lie about for years and eat hamsters from Wenger's personal supply...

Poor old Ham-ster

[DB10GOONER]

DB answer this question honestly.....as a Gooner would your confidence in the clubs direction have been dented by the sales of Cesc and nasri ? You talk about how happy he was to sit on his arse for 7 years as the club declined but don't you think that it was finally the sale of the aforementioned players and the lack of suitable replacements that made him question the ambitions of the club ? There were many on here that still believed in wenker up to that summer (obviously I wasn't one of them ) and it took those 2 sales to finally get them to see the light so isn't it possible that players like rvp got that same wake up call ? It is one thing saying that the club had been in decline for 7 years (and most of us agree btw) but that one summer wasn't just a decline but a monumental fatal blow to the ambitions of all genuine Gooners and I don't feel it is a coincidence that rvp looked to leave at the end of that season.

At no stage I have tried to turn this into a anti wenker pro rvp debate - this hasn't be used by me as a stick to best the club with although culpability certainly lies mostly at their feet All I have ever said is that I still believe 100% that he left us to win medals and in that regard he has been proven 100% correct in his actions. As donaldo has already pointed out, the fact that he was allowed laze around on our treatment table for so long is down to the regime that tolerated and actually encouraged that practice by continually giving the new contracts to injured freeloaders

Augie - I'm not sure I'd fully agree, mate. Certainly not where RVJC is concerned. To a certain extent I'm sure those 2 sales in particular would make anyone question the ambitions of the club (particularly after Arsene's outright lie about both players still being at Arsenal next season). I know it was a defining moment for me and most of us on here.

But I used to think every player wanted glory, trophies and medals above everything else, the money was secondary to most of them. But tbh I think most modern players now view the medals and trophies as a secondary thing, compared to earning a huge fortune. I honestly believe that.

So I suppose my problem with RVJC is his hypocrisy. I believe he was happy enough to linger on the treatment table for 7 years because he was earning stupid money that no other club would pay a continually injured player (and as I have said I agree 100% that Wenger is culpable in that too). Then after RVJC has had his ONE brilliant and injury free season and he is now the hot shit player in the PL, he realises; "Hey, for shoors, ya, I can havesh the moneysh and the medalsh too! For shoors!". He then pushes through his move to The Filth by issuing that statement. I still believe RVJC's desire to win medals was secondary to his desire to earn huge money. Now he's earned the silly money from us, he has stayed injury free for a decent period of time and thus upped his value to any new club and suddenly decided "fuck Arsenal, I'm off!"

Do I blame him for thinking of himself and fucking our club after we had stuck by him for so long? TBH probably not. Whilst I dislike greed, I can understand it. And I certainly despise and criticise the judas cúnt for doing it. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[augie]

In my opinion greed would have seen him join citeeh

[I Hate Hleb]

Agree with augie. Also, very few players like to 'linger on the treatment table' on purpose.

[g88ner]

I think this greed vs. footballing ambition debate is never going to resolve itself because at top clubs the 2 go hand in hand, so how can you ever know which is the greater motivation?

If Van Persie or Nasri left for the money, they succeeded. If they left for footballing success, they succeeded!

In fact, the only known factor in all this is that staying at Arsenal would have seen them lose out financially AND in terms of footballing ambition, so logically, whatever the reason they had for leaving, they can only be happy with their decision.

[I Hate Hleb]

Smart-arse!! 100% totally correct though. Having said that, I think in the case of Nasri it was a more clear-cut question of increasing his wages.

[DB10GOONER]

Agree with augie. Also, very few players like to 'linger on the treatment table' on purpose.

But some will have no problem doing it if they are being paid silly money and they know no other club will pay them that much or, indeed, want to sign them. That's the crux of the issue for me; RVJC only had a problem with the club's ambition after he got fit enough and raised his value enough to be in a position of strength to bully a move. No problems with our ambition up to that point whilst he sat on his arse collecting his dosh from us.

[VoiceOfReason]

Agree with augie. Also, very few players like to 'linger on the treatment table' on purpose.

But some will have no problem doing it if they are being paid silly money and they know no other club will pay them that much or, indeed, want to sign them. That's the crux of the issue for me; RVJC only had a problem with the club's ambition after he got fit enough and raised his value enough to be in a position of strength to bully a move. No problems with our ambition up to that point whilst he sat on his arse collecting his dosh from us.

But in 2009, when RVP was last injured, we hadn't sold all our best players. Adebayor, Nasri, Fabregas and the rest of them all jumped ship (regardless of whether or not they were injured). Arsenal in 2012, with all these departures, were displaying lower-than-normal ambition. And that's why RVP wanted to go at that time, IMO. It's not as if we'd just signed Alonso, Villa and Mata (for example). We were signing players below the standard of what we had before, and maybe if that had been the club's policy in 2009 (to such a great extent), he might have been wondering about his future then too.

[augie]

Agree with augie. Also, very few players like to 'linger on the treatment table' on purpose.

But some will have no problem doing it if they are being paid silly money and they know no other club will pay them that much or, indeed, want to sign them. That's the crux of the issue for me; RVJC only had a problem with the club's ambition after he got fit enough and raised his value enough to be in a position of strength to bully a move. No problems with our ambition up to that point whilst he sat on his arse collecting his dosh from us.

You just wont let this go will you ? Just admit that you are wrong and we can all let this lie

[DB10GOONER]

Agree with augie. Also, very few players like to 'linger on the treatment table' on purpose.

But some will have no problem doing it if they are being paid silly money and they know no other club will pay them that much or, indeed, want to sign them. That's the crux of the issue for me; RVJC only had a problem with the club's ambition after he got fit enough and raised his value enough to be in a position of strength to bully a move. No problems with our ambition up to that point whilst he sat on his arse collecting his dosh from us.

But in 2009, when RVP was last injured, we hadn't sold all our best players. Adebayor, Nasri, Fabregas and the rest of them all jumped ship (regardless of whether or not they were injured). Arsenal in 2012, with all these departures, were displaying lower-than-normal ambition. And that's why RVP wanted to go at that time, IMO. It's not as if we'd just signed Alonso, Villa and Mata (for example). We were signing players below the standard of what we had before, and maybe if that had been the club's policy in 2009 (to such a great extent), he might have been wondering about his future then too.

So the ankle injury in August 2010 didn’t happen? Or the knee injury in Feb 2011? Or the reoccurrence of it in March 2011? And he didn’t spend almost half the 2010-2011 season injured? We all imagined that? Thank God! You do the pro-RVJC camp no favours, mate!

[DB10GOONER]

Agree with augie. Also, very few players like to 'linger on the treatment table' on purpose.

But some will have no problem doing it if they are being paid silly money and they know no other club will pay them that much or, indeed, want to sign them. That's the crux of the issue for me; RVJC only had a problem with the club's ambition after he got fit enough and raised his value enough to be in a position of strength to bully a move. No problems with our ambition up to that point whilst he sat on his arse collecting his dosh from us.

You just wont let this go will you ? Just admit that you are wrong and we can all let this lie

He's a judas cúnt. There. We're done.