As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
DB10GOONER wrote:
Hi mate. I deleted your thread "Spend spend spend" as you have posted the same link here. No need for a second thread regarding the board or Kroenke. Cheers.
Ok its your board. I was just trying to give the story as much publicity as possible. If you feel that the owner buying the biggest ranch in the USA while spending an astonishingly small amount of money in the last two transfer windows isn't worthy of it own thread its your call.
blair207 wrote:
Ok its your board. I was just trying to give the story as much publicity as possible. If you feel that the owner buying the biggest ranch in the USA while spending an astonishingly small amount of money in the last two transfer windows isn't worthy of its own thread its your call.
Heres another example of Kronke being blamed for Wenger not strengthening us.
Can we just realise that the money has been made available and its Wenger not Kronke who refuses to use it?
blair207 wrote:
Ok its your board. I was just trying to give the story as much publicity as possible. If you feel that the owner buying the biggest ranch in the USA while spending an astonishingly small amount of money in the last two transfer windows isn't worthy of its own thread its your call.
Heres another example of Kronke being blamed for Wenger not strengthening us.
Can we just realise that the money has been made available and its Wenger not Kronke who refuses to use it?
Surely Kronke has to be partly accountable. He is probably proud of of owning one of the best if not the best ranches in the USA/world. He is never going to be able to boast to his buddies that he's has one of the best soccer teams in Europe because the investment hasn't been there. The stadium is a magnificent piece of real estate but the team is average. Under Abramovich the stadium is average but the team have had a real good go at trying to be one of the best. If Kronke had any pride in the club he would bullet Wenger and bring somebody who would sign players to compete properly for the big trophies. The problem would then be, does he know anything about football to bring in the right man? Also would the lack of ambition shown for years put an elite coach off if he had the choice of coming to Arsenal or joining one of the major clubs? Keeping Wenger is the easy option for someone who has no real pride in the club but sees it as an investment to fund his other interests.
Wow who would have thought ? Fans stand up to the owners with a walk out and within a week the owners issue a written apology to the fans and scrap their plans to increase ticket prices and promise to freeze them and also freeze season ticket prices for next year ... Well done Liverpool fans. Fan power still exists
I think there is sometimes a fundamental misunderstanding of the gripe with Kroenke.
Him buying a ranch or whatever really has very little direct relevance to Arsenal. What a lot of people (generally outside the club) wrongly believe is that we are desperate for him to pump his cash into the club. That isn't the case.
What we need is for him to actually allow (nay encourage) the manager to actually spend the vast revenues that the club generates on its own. The problem isn't that Kroenke won't put his hand in his pocket - it's that (with Wenger's eager compliance) he fosters an approach where these revenues are stockpiled away because it will likely increase the capital value of his shares when he comes to sell.
And I know it is despicable that he milks £2m or £3m a year in 'consultancy fees' but in the grand scheme of things that's peanuts.
scotgooner wrote:Wow who would have thought ? Fans stand up to the owners with a walk out and within a week the owners issue a written apology to the fans and scrap their plans to increase ticket prices and promise to freeze them and also freeze season ticket prices for next year ... Well done Liverpool fans. Fan power still exists
Do Arsenal supporters have the collective will to do the same thing? It seems not. Or the Club hold the supporters in greater disdain down in London.
There is no way a football club should be asking people to pay £125 to watch a game of football against anyone, let alone 5+ times per season, and yet somehow....somehow....it's been allowed to happen.
scotgooner wrote:Wow who would have thought ? Fans stand up to the owners with a walk out and within a week the owners issue a written apology to the fans and scrap their plans to increase ticket prices and promise to freeze them and also freeze season ticket prices for next year ... Well done Liverpool fans. Fan power still exists
Do Arsenal supporters have the collective will to do the same thing? It seems not. Or the Club hold the supporters in greater disdain down in London.
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Hang on a minute, we already boycott the first 5 mins of the match, the last 5 mins before half time and the final 10 mins what more do you want ?
scotgooner wrote:Wow who would have thought ? Fans stand up to the owners with a walk out and within a week the owners issue a written apology to the fans and scrap their plans to increase ticket prices and promise to freeze them and also freeze season ticket prices for next year ... Well done Liverpool fans. Fan power still exists
Do Arsenal supporters have the collective will to do the same thing? It seems not. Or the Club hold the supporters in greater disdain down in London.
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Hang on a minute, we already boycott the first 5 mins of the match, the last 5 mins before half time and the final 10 mins what more do you want ?
And our team boycotted the entire 90 minutes against Chelsea
northbank123 wrote:I think there is sometimes a fundamental misunderstanding of the gripe with Kroenke..
There may be a misunderstanding with some gooners but its obvious that Wenger supporters in their desperation to deflect any blame from Wenger for failing to strengthen us will use Kronke as an excuse.
Just like they have used the stadium, FFP, availibility, price tags, etc, etc. All bullshit excuses in defence of Wengers cowardly failure to put his neck on the line and use the resources that Kronke has made available to him.
Hi mate. I deleted your thread "Spend spend spend" as you have posted the same link here. No need for a second thread regarding the board or Kroenke. Cheers.
Ok its your board. I was just trying to give the story as much publicity as possible. If you feel that the owner buying the biggest ranch in the USA while spending an astonishingly small amount of money in the last two transfer windows isn't worthy of its own thread its your call.
To be honest I don't think it is worthy of it's own thread. It's been well covered in this thread. Also, what Kroenke spends is totally irrelevant to what players Arsenal sign because it is Wenger that makes that decision and it is Wenger's ego and (now) chronically twisted sense of right and wrong that has prevented him from spending the money that is (and always has been) there on new, better players.
BTW, it's not my Board. But I do help mod it for free and so we mods allow ourselves a few indulgences to make the job a bit easier. One of them is not allowing multiple threads on the same subject as we all have jobs out here in the real world (obviously except for Stoner Hlebby ) and so we don't have unlimited time to mod repeated stuff.
The arguments about Wenger and Kroenke will live on and to my mind both take a serious chunk of the blame as to where we are now. Kroenke has a proven track record in running under performing franchises and his latest stunt in the US, moving the NFL team hundreds of miles shows a complete disregard for any supporter. He absolutely would oversee an MK Dons franchise on a larger scale in this country if the opportunity presented itself. He also chooses who to appoint in senior executive positions, so I hold him entirely responsible for Gazidis and the blatant exploitation of the fans on a scale that no other PL team has seen. I don't remember too many other grounds where the likes of City, Bayern etc have all staged some sort of fans protest about ticket prices. As if that wasn't bad enough, we've seen no return on that investment in the squad and if Kroenke was pissed off with Wenger for not spending the resources then surely by now he would have fired him and found someone who would do it? The reality is that Kroenke is the worst form of owner - one with no affiliation for the club, here for a visit to ride the gravy train, would piss on the supporters at the drop of a hat, and happily oversee mediocre 'on field' achievements so long as the cash kept rolling in
None of the above excuses Wenger's brainfart signings, lack of tactical nous or inability to fill the gaping holes in the squad that everyone can see.
We'd only ever know if we saw Wenger operate under the likes of Usmanov and what an owner like that would demand in terms of achievement. Thankfully the custodians of truth and justice from RedAction saw him off - Sod off Jabba !
scotgooner wrote:Wow who would have thought ? Fans stand up to the owners with a walk out and within a week the owners issue a written apology to the fans and scrap their plans to increase ticket prices and promise to freeze them and also freeze season ticket prices for next year ... Well done Liverpool fans. Fan power still exists
Don't key Lord A-Hole's little Emirates sheep hear you say such a thing now! Remember what the ST holders keep saying?
"What can we do" remember? Better to just keep finding this toss by renewing that ST every summer. Maybe Stan will be able to buy Neverneverland with the next ST hike
Maybe I'm being harsh and the ST holders we have making a stand are making a real difference, boycotting them hot dogs and kit kats. Che Guevara would be proud
SteveO 35 wrote:The arguments about Wenger and Kroenke will live on and to my mind both take a serious chunk of the blame as to where we are now. Kroenke has a proven track record in running under performing franchises and his latest stunt in the US, moving the NFL team hundreds of miles shows a complete disregard for any supporter. He absolutely would oversee an MK Dons franchise on a larger scale in this country if the opportunity presented itself. He also chooses who to appoint in senior executive positions, so I hold him entirely responsible for Gazidis and the blatant exploitation of the fans on a scale that no other PL team has seen. I don't remember too many other grounds where the likes of City, Bayern etc have all staged some sort of fans protest about ticket prices. As if that wasn't bad enough, we've seen no return on that investment in the squad and if Kroenke was pissed off with Wenger for not spending the resources then surely by now he would have fired him and found someone who would do it? The reality is that Kroenke is the worst form of owner - one with no affiliation for the club, here for a visit to ride the gravy train, would piss on the supporters at the drop of a hat, and happily oversee mediocre 'on field' achievements so long as the cash kept rolling in
None of the above excuses Wenger's brainfart signings, lack of tactical nous or inability to fill the gaping holes in the squad that everyone can see.
We'd only ever know if we saw Wenger operate under the likes of Usmanov and what an owner like that would demand in terms of achievement. Thankfully the custodians of truth and justice from RedAction saw him off - Sod off Jabba !
Totally correct. Some of the clowns on here seem to think that Kronke has been hypnotised by Wenger to make sure none of his sporting franchises are truly successful in order to make it look like Wenger is doing ok. We have a poster above who thinks that the owner of the club having enough interest in a ranch to spend 500M on it is totally unconnected to his lack of interest in Arsenal. Kronke is a big grown up business man he knows exactly what's happening and is cool with it, but he is culpable. If I handed a psychopath a machine gun would you absolve me from blame?
Hi mate. I deleted your thread "Spend spend spend" as you have posted the same link here. No need for a second thread regarding the board or Kroenke. Cheers.
Ok its your board. I was just trying to give the story as much publicity as possible. If you feel that the owner buying the biggest ranch in the USA while spending an astonishingly small amount of money in the last two transfer windows isn't worthy of its own thread its your call.
To be honest I don't think it is worthy of it's own thread. It's been well covered in this thread. Also, what Kroenke spends is totally irrelevant to what players Arsenal sign because it is Wenger that makes that decision and it is Wenger's ego and (now) chronically twisted sense of right and wrong that has prevented him from spending the money that is (and always has been) there on new, better players.
BTW, it's not my Board. But I do help mod it for free and so we mods allow ourselves a few indulgences to make the job a bit easier. One of them is not allowing multiple threads on the same subject as we all have jobs out here in the real world (obviously except for Stoner Hlebby ) and so we don't have unlimited time to mod repeated stuff.
Fuck you very much.
You don't have time to mod repeated stuff. How many 500M ranches has Kronke bought before? Enjoy your ounce of power.
