The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[nut flush gooner]

We are staying in. End off

I can't wait till Friday and this shit is finally over.

Totally agree, I am fed up of trying to have a debate with people who cannot coherently argue about making a case for Brexit. There is a minority that can articulate well enough to understand about why they want to leave the EU, but generally it's not project fear more like project clueless. I guess the politicians are to blame for not making things clearer to understand.

It will be funny if the polls are wrong again. I am looking at the bookies who have remain at 75/80%. The bookies rarely get it wrong.

Your problem is you havent a clue what youtr talking about,a common theme that runs right through any subject you touch on ,but thats OK you have every right to be dumb ,embrace it !
People are free to chose as they wish and good luck to them ,it makes ZERO difference because even if the UK Votes out we wont be leaving .
I will Vote out because I dont like a bunch of unelected people making laws that dont benefit me and mine but Im not naive enough to beleive it means anything !

Here we go again. Everything I have said on this thread is logical and correct. It's not my fault your simplistic mind does not get politics or economics.

As I have said a thousand times, the countries that formed the British Empire didn't have any say in their countries being taken over by the British, their assets stripped and used for the benefit of this country.

Yet fast forward to the modern era, when most of the Commonwealth is now Independent, it's conveniently forgotten by the "Indigenous British" but you are not being asked to make the same sacrifices. The world is a smaller place, and we have to be part of this new world to thrive. The sooner the Brexiteers realise the better. Although, obviously with people like Herd it's a waste of time and energy trying to get this accross.

[Chippy]

Stop the personal abuse guys or this thread will end up getting locked.

[Chippy]

[DB10GOONER]

I see a picture of that arsehole and all I hear is;

"Humph! Harrumph!! I say!! What-ho! Haaaarrumph!"

[Red Snapper]

Boris is as entitled to change his mind as anyone else. Isn't the whole point of these debates to get people to agree with your point of view? One poster is trying very hard to achieve just that on this forum. I have watched two debates on TV now to see if I could be persuaded one way or the other. What I have seen on each occasion was three remainiacs spend most of the "debate" trying to score political points off Boris, leaving me with no idea what their arguments are. Two big events tomorrow; the referendum plus I become an OAP so I have seen all this before but the remain campaign has failed to impress. Whereas last time I voted to stay I prefer the out option this time.

[Herd]

Chips mate this is mild stuff no need to go into lockdown mode , Ive had enough anyway , I dont care how people vote because it will matter not one jot .
Both sides in the debate have failed to present anything except scare stories but that isnt surprising as t hey are from the political elite cabal and owned by big business so it matters not . . . . . . . . . . . . .F@#$%^&*C$%^&*( !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[northbank123]

Tories are in a right mess on this one. You've got Boris leading one side with questionable motivations and several notorious Eurosceptic Cabinet members on the other side claiming to be in favour of staying.

If we stay in then they will effectively lose their most popular politician and face revolt and possible defections from Eurosceptics who will moan that it wasn't the fair fight which was promised.

If they win the government will have zero credibility and will tear itself apart, not to mention giving cannon fodder to its political rivals for the rest of eternity.

[Rugby Gooner]

For me the economic consequences of leave or remain could go either way, nobody knows for sure. I am more concerned about the future of my country within the "Orwellian" prospect of the European superstate. This "project" began in 1951 as a 6 nation coal and steel agreement, then further evolved into a larger "common market." A good idea, free trade between nations. However, via the E.E.C. and the E.U. this idea of free trade has been subverted into the concept of a political superstate with 1 army,1 currency, and 1 Government,(whose top tier is unelected),and 1 legal arm which supercedes individual countries.
I am against the Monarchy for the same reasons that I am against the E.U. Commissioners.... How can we call ourselves a democracy with an unelected head of state.
The issue of the referendum for me is not about if multi-nationals will still be able to exploit workers, make obscene profits, and dodge taxes, it's about the right of individuals to choose who they are governed by, and who they choose to vote out of office.
VOTE LEAVE!

[Henry Norris 1913]

I love the patronising tone some remain mp's and advocates (often working in the financial sector) take when it comes to talking people out of voting out. And there's always this insulting sort of air i get from some that they seem to assume if a working class person has a different view to them it comes down from inherited racism, and they're too stupid to understand it. It's patronising and it seems like a class thing. And it's fed by the elite (including dimwitted celebs like lily allen) painting everyone by the same brush and manipulating everyone under them to follow it.

Fucking hell it's not limited to class but have you read david beckham's reasoning for voting remain? I do think there is an argument to remain that many have made before him but his whole argument stemmed from "i played all over europe for man utd, psg, madrid and milan, i love europe, let's stay". Why the fuck do you think a population of 50million voters will be swayed by your fucking football career you self important, attention seeking tit? i don't care about how easily it will be for you and other pampered footballers to tout themselves around europe you prick, this issue is not totally based around your lifestyle you flouncy media tool.

Same patronsing shit came from him and other english celebs when there was a vote for scotland ffs! do they not have any self awareness?

[GoonerMuzz]

Still voting leave, hopefully we can finally get rid of these pesky Oirish trouble makers

On a side note there are some fit women MEPs over there, i got slightly distracted when doing some research today:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/f ... 5086.node1

I can only see this all getting worse if i'm honest there seems to be a real detachment in UK and European politics that is getting worse and worse and the needs of the greater European Empire out-way the everyday needs of the individual populations of each country.

No matter how hard you try the differing cultural, racial and economic needs of 28 current and potentially another 5 more countries cannot be ignored just because some faceless European entity says we can all 'rub' along.

The rise and rise of the far right in Europe has a reason; yet no-one in the political spectrum seems interested in why nor do they seem willing to engage rationally with them, look how close Austria was recently to having a right-wing nationalist President! It is yet another reason i want out of the European powder keg before it blows....

[northbank123]

Made the mistake of looking on Facebook - a lot of aspiring politicians!

Whichever way the country votes - this is democracy in action. I don't normally favour referenda but this is a fundamental issue about the direction of our country and I don't think it would be right for any government to take the decision to leave (or to bind us to stay in for a long time as a remain vote will do).

Both sides accusing each other of lies, deception, scare tactics, cheap shots - what's new? This is a political vote and the same thing happens everywhere on the planet. The idea that the vote is somehow going to be somehow morally invalid (however it goes) because of these tactics is laughable.

Sick of people moaning like simpletons that we don't have enough information or that we aren't being told what the issues are. I'll give you a clue - they're what everybody has been talking about for months. The economy, immigration, sovereignty, security, European integration, global influence.

do people really expect both sides to present an agreed factual campaign? The issues are obvious and it is a case of each individual weighing up which matter most to them. The information is out there if you bother to spend a very small amount of time looking. On any given issue within 30 seconds a quick Google search will throw up countless articles with different perspectives - read some. What these people really want is to be told how they should vote, and then when politicians do that and tell them what the politicians think they want to hear, they complain.

And for the record, voting on the basis of disliking immigration numbers and its effect is not inherently more ignorant than voting on the basis that you have heard people say that the economy will suffer even though you don't really understand the basis or practicalities of this.

People should vote however they genuinely feel but should think very carefully about this as it is the most important vote any of us are likely to get in our lifetime.

I am not 100% sure that I am making the right choice as the economic aspect does concern me as i think a short-term recession at least is extremely likely - but I am fiercely Eurosceptic and if we don't leave now then we are tied in to this project for the next few decades.

[Chippy]

Made the mistake of looking on Facebook - a lot of aspiring politicians!

Whichever way the country votes - this is democracy in action. I don't normally favour referenda but this is a fundamental issue about the direction of our country and I don't think it would be right for any government to take the decision to leave (or to bind us to stay in for a long time as a remain vote will do).

Both sides accusing each other of lies, deception, scare tactics, cheap shots - what's new? This is a political vote and the same thing happens everywhere on the planet. The idea that the vote is somehow going to be somehow morally invalid (however it goes) because of these tactics is laughable.

Sick of people moaning like simpletons that we don't have enough information or that we aren't being told what the issues are. I'll give you a clue - they're what everybody has been talking about for months. The economy, immigration, sovereignty, security, European integration, global influence.

do people really expect both sides to present an agreed factual campaign? The issues are obvious and it is a case of each individual weighing up which matter most to them. The information is out there if you bother to spend a very small amount of time looking. On any given issue within 30 seconds a quick Google search will throw up countless articles with different perspectives - read some. What these people really want is to be told how they should vote, and then when politicians do that and tell them what the politicians think they want to hear, they complain.

And for the record, voting on the basis of disliking immigration numbers and its effect is not inherently more ignorant than voting on the basis that you have heard people say that the economy will suffer even though you don't really understand the basis or practicalities of this.

People should vote however they genuinely feel but should think very carefully about this as it is the most important vote any of us are likely to get in our lifetime.

I am not 100% sure that I am making the right choice as the economic aspect does concern me as i think a short-term recession at least is extremely likely - but I am fiercely Eurosceptic and if we don't leave now then we are tied in to this project for the next few decades.

See that's the thing we are not tied in for decades. It would take a simple vote in parliament to leave at any time. However if we leave there is no going back. If you are certain the EU is wrong vote leave, if you have any doubts vote remain, it keeps your options open.

[Chippy]

Fantastic. The Jerrys have said they will acknowledge the 1966 goal if we stay.


They also say they won't make any more jokes about Charlie's ears. They won't use sun cream as solidarity with our sunburn etc , they will reserve our sunbeds for us with their towels and the rest I leave to arseofacrow.

[DB10GOONER]

Fantastic. The Jerrys have said they will acknowledge the 1966 goal if we stay.


They also say they won't make any more jokes about Charlie's ears. They won't use sun cream as solidarity with our sunburn etc , they will reserve our sunbeds for us with their towels and the rest I leave to arseofacrow.

That would be lots of British dick being sucked then!

[DB10GOONER]

Chips mate this is mild stuff no need to go into lockdown mode , Ive had enough anyway , I dont care how people vote because it will matter not one jot .
Both sides in the debate have failed to present anything except scare stories but that isnt surprising as t hey are from the political elite cabal and owned by big business so it matters not . . . . . . . . . . . . .F@#$%^&*C$%^&*( !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not about whether you are offended or not by personal abuse, mate - it's a clear directive we've had from the Forum owner that personal abuse is not to be tolerated.