The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[GoonerMuzz]

Up next Polexit, wonder if we can make that thread more interesting

[Herd]

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Lets put this to bed Herd, because you are not looking at the bigger picture. Ok so your figures have been verified but what percentage of the EU population does that 100k represent, and as a proportion do EU migrants claim more than their UK counterparts. Well here is the proof:

I love it when you patronise me ,my problem is that you swallow peoples facts and figures wholesale without reading who commissions the studies and what their angle is . Quite simply anyone can make so called facts suit whatever the argument of the say is.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

An interesting quote from the piece:

"EU nationals of working age are more likely to be in work than UK nationals and non-EU citizens. About 82% of working age EU citizens in the UK are in work, compared to around 76% of UK nationals and 63% of people from outside the EU".

So in a nutshell, you can pull off figures about the number of EU migrants that claim benefits in the UK as much as you like, but the facts are as a proportion in comparison to UK nationals they are less of a burden on the state, and as I already stated in my original reply they contribute more to the economy than UK nationals. The evidence is compelling.

No matter they are less of a burden they are still a burden and thus we don't need them then do we ? It's pretty simple even Rob can follow that one !

With regards to right-wingers, are you telling me that the Brexit vote hasn't upset racial harmony in the UK? The police have statistics about hate crimes committed since the referendum and there definitely has been an upward trend. That's my point, people who may not have been so brave as to project such views generally would have stayed in their hovel pre-referendum but have become distinctly brave since.

There has been an increase in racists rants but Im not totally sure if that's because we now see everything on social media or if it's true ,but that wasn't my point !

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/03/1 ... r-factors/

[AkneyGooner]

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Lets put this to bed Herd, because you are not looking at the bigger picture. Ok so your figures have been verified but what percentage of the EU population does that 100k represent, and as a proportion do EU migrants claim more than their UK counterparts. Well here is the proof:

I love it when you patronise me ,my problem is that you swallow peoples facts and figures wholesale without reading who commissions the studies and what their angle is . Quite simply anyone can make so called facts suit whatever the argument of the say is.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

An interesting quote from the piece:

"EU nationals of working age are more likely to be in work than UK nationals and non-EU citizens. About 82% of working age EU citizens in the UK are in work, compared to around 76% of UK nationals and 63% of people from outside the EU".

So in a nutshell, you can pull off figures about the number of EU migrants that claim benefits in the UK as much as you like, but the facts are as a proportion in comparison to UK nationals they are less of a burden on the state, and as I already stated in my original reply they contribute more to the economy than UK nationals. The evidence is compelling.

No matter they are less of a burden they are still a burden and thus we don't need them then do we ? It's pretty simple even Rob can follow that one !

With regards to right-wingers, are you telling me that the Brexit vote hasn't upset racial harmony in the UK? The police have statistics about hate crimes committed since the referendum and there definitely has been an upward trend. That's my point, people who may not have been so brave as to project such views generally would have stayed in their hovel pre-referendum but have become distinctly brave since.

There has been an increase in racists rants but Im not totally sure if that's because we now see everything on social media or if it's true ,but that wasn't my point !

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/03/1 ... r-factors/

I get your point on the stats of EU migrations % working, but often they are earning low wages , and also often saving this money and sending it home. Although that is better than unemployment.

I would also guess alot of migrant workers do not pay tax or NI.

[nut flush gooner]

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Lets put this to bed Herd, because you are not looking at the bigger picture. Ok so your figures have been verified but what percentage of the EU population does that 100k represent, and as a proportion do EU migrants claim more than their UK counterparts. Well here is the proof:

I love it when you patronise me ,my problem is that you swallow peoples facts and figures wholesale without reading who commissions the studies and what their angle is . Quite simply anyone can make so called facts suit whatever the argument of the say is.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

An interesting quote from the piece:

"EU nationals of working age are more likely to be in work than UK nationals and non-EU citizens. About 82% of working age EU citizens in the UK are in work, compared to around 76% of UK nationals and 63% of people from outside the EU".

So in a nutshell, you can pull off figures about the number of EU migrants that claim benefits in the UK as much as you like, but the facts are as a proportion in comparison to UK nationals they are less of a burden on the state, and as I already stated in my original reply they contribute more to the economy than UK nationals. The evidence is compelling.

No matter they are less of a burden they are still a burden and thus we don't need them then do we ? It's pretty simple even Rob can follow that one !

With regards to right-wingers, are you telling me that the Brexit vote hasn't upset racial harmony in the UK? The police have statistics about hate crimes committed since the referendum and there definitely has been an upward trend. That's my point, people who may not have been so brave as to project such views generally would have stayed in their hovel pre-referendum but have become distinctly brave since.

There has been an increase in racists rants but Im not totally sure if that's because we now see everything on social media or if it's true ,but that wasn't my point !

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/03/1 ... r-factors/

Again you are missing the point herd. Overall, immigrants put more into the economy net than they take out. How many different ways can you put it. It is an economic benefit to this country to have them. Its not a question of patronising people by quoting studies, its quoting facts.

You are pillorying the socially deprived and in particular taking aim at immigrants, so what about the brits that are proportionately out of work more than EEA migrants, that may be taking liberties, take their benefits away?

[GoonerMuzz]

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Lets put this to bed Herd, because you are not looking at the bigger picture. Ok so your figures have been verified but what percentage of the EU population does that 100k represent, and as a proportion do EU migrants claim more than their UK counterparts. Well here is the proof:

I love it when you patronise me ,my problem is that you swallow peoples facts and figures wholesale without reading who commissions the studies and what their angle is . Quite simply anyone can make so called facts suit whatever the argument of the say is.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

An interesting quote from the piece:

"EU nationals of working age are more likely to be in work than UK nationals and non-EU citizens. About 82% of working age EU citizens in the UK are in work, compared to around 76% of UK nationals and 63% of people from outside the EU".

So in a nutshell, you can pull off figures about the number of EU migrants that claim benefits in the UK as much as you like, but the facts are as a proportion in comparison to UK nationals they are less of a burden on the state, and as I already stated in my original reply they contribute more to the economy than UK nationals. The evidence is compelling.

No matter they are less of a burden they are still a burden and thus we don't need them then do we ? It's pretty simple even Rob can follow that one !

With regards to right-wingers, are you telling me that the Brexit vote hasn't upset racial harmony in the UK? The police have statistics about hate crimes committed since the referendum and there definitely has been an upward trend. That's my point, people who may not have been so brave as to project such views generally would have stayed in their hovel pre-referendum but have become distinctly brave since.

There has been an increase in racists rants but Im not totally sure if that's because we now see everything on social media or if it's true ,but that wasn't my point !

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/03/1 ... r-factors/

Again you are missing the point herd. Overall, immigrants put more into the economy net than they take out. How many different ways can you put it. It is an economic benefit to this country to have them. Its not a question of patronising people by quoting studies, its quoting facts.

You are pillorying the socially deprived and in particular taking aim at immigrants, so what about the brits that are proportionately out of work more than EEA migrants, that may be taking liberties, take their benefits away?

Nutty there are 1.7M unemployed in this country, even if only half of them are able to work surely it is better to get them back in to work and potentially reduce the benefits bill than it is bringing a migrant in who may also require benefits to be able to make ends meet in this country, after all we're talking low skilled workers here.

If John Smith in Newcastle and Jon Novek from Europe apply for the same job and are both able to do it then it does not benefit the economy if Mr Novek gets the job over Mr Smith, its simple economics......

[nut flush gooner]

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Lets put this to bed Herd, because you are not looking at the bigger picture. Ok so your figures have been verified but what percentage of the EU population does that 100k represent, and as a proportion do EU migrants claim more than their UK counterparts. Well here is the proof:

I love it when you patronise me ,my problem is that you swallow peoples facts and figures wholesale without reading who commissions the studies and what their angle is . Quite simply anyone can make so called facts suit whatever the argument of the say is.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

An interesting quote from the piece:

"EU nationals of working age are more likely to be in work than UK nationals and non-EU citizens. About 82% of working age EU citizens in the UK are in work, compared to around 76% of UK nationals and 63% of people from outside the EU".

So in a nutshell, you can pull off figures about the number of EU migrants that claim benefits in the UK as much as you like, but the facts are as a proportion in comparison to UK nationals they are less of a burden on the state, and as I already stated in my original reply they contribute more to the economy than UK nationals. The evidence is compelling.

No matter they are less of a burden they are still a burden and thus we don't need them then do we ? It's pretty simple even Rob can follow that one !

With regards to right-wingers, are you telling me that the Brexit vote hasn't upset racial harmony in the UK? The police have statistics about hate crimes committed since the referendum and there definitely has been an upward trend. That's my point, people who may not have been so brave as to project such views generally would have stayed in their hovel pre-referendum but have become distinctly brave since.

There has been an increase in racists rants but Im not totally sure if that's because we now see everything on social media or if it's true ,but that wasn't my point !

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/03/1 ... r-factors/

Again you are missing the point herd. Overall, immigrants put more into the economy net than they take out. How many different ways can you put it. It is an economic benefit to this country to have them. Its not a question of patronising people by quoting studies, its quoting facts.

You are pillorying the socially deprived and in particular taking aim at immigrants, so what about the brits that are proportionately out of work more than EEA migrants, that may be taking liberties, take their benefits away?

Nutty there are 1.7M unemployed in this country, even if only half of them are able to work surely it is better to get them back in to work and potentially reduce the benefits bill than it is bringing a migrant in who may also require benefits to be able to make ends meet in this country, after all we're talking low skilled workers here.

If John Smith in Newcastle and Jon Novek from Europe apply for the same job and are both able to do it then it does not benefit the economy if Mr Novek gets the job over Mr Smith, its simple economics......

Your unemployment figure is on the high side, in the 3 months to August 2018 it was 1.36 million. To put this into perspective in the 80s 1 in 10 where unemployed when it hit a peak of 3 million, with a population that was much lower. This year its 1 in 25.

If anything, there is a shortage of workers in particular sectors, as suggested in the latest unemployment stats issued by the ONS.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45181079

"Judging by the unemployment rate dropping to 4.0% - its lowest since February 1975 - that coincided with an apparently super-tight labour market, meaning lots of jobs available for fewer people to fill them.

And there's a key factor making the labour market tighter: a net outflow of EU nationals working in the UK. In the second quarter of the year, the number of EU nationals was 2.28 million on the Office for National Statistics' estimates - down by 86,000. That's the biggest fall in 21 years."

What this suggests is EU workers are leaving the country and their roles aren't being filled by brits. As has been verified by many industries, there are certain jobs brits wont do, the one I have seen a commentary on recently was the hospitality industry.

I get accused of patronising people, when all I am doing is responding and quite often correcting people who have pre conceived opinions that frankly aren't true.

[Gunner Rob]

Based on the results of a major Channel 4 poll earlier this week there has been a big shift towards REMAIN as I predicted.
It is now 54% Remain and 46% Leave in the country.

Obviously as the Brexiteers continue to die out and the younger population reach voting age the direction will continue to be more pro EU.
There clearly needs to be a new vote on any deal that the government manages to achieve.

Meanwhile Dominic Raab "I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this but... we're particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing"

[Herd]

Again you are missing the point herd. Overall, immigrants put more into the economy net than they take out. How many different ways can you put it. It is an economic benefit to this country to have them. Its not a question of patronising people by quoting studies, its quoting facts.

You are pillorying the socially deprived and in particular taking aim at immigrants, so what about the brits that are proportionately out of work more than EEA migrants, that may be taking liberties, take their benefits away?

Not missing the point it's just that you are continuing to try to perpetuate the lie that immigration is doing us all good when it clearly does not .
I'm not demonizing immigrants either ,Id do the same if I were them and if your trying to insinuate I'm racist Id try another angle pal because that simply isn't me .
The reason why so many are here from other EU countries is because their own economies are up shit creek without a paddle and that should tell you everything you need to know about the state of the EU another very good reason to leave .

I am not pillorying the socially deprived either ,in fact quite the opposite ,the poor of this country face the real effects of mass immigration as they compete for the same very scarce resources this country has left and lose time after time due to ludicrous policies .

Your trying to make out like immigration is a huge deal to me which it isnt but once again flush you have tried to use it as a stick to beat me with and as usual fail badly !

[Gunner Rob]

Again you are missing the point herd. Overall, immigrants put more into the economy net than they take out. How many different ways can you put it. It is an economic benefit to this country to have them. Its not a question of patronising people by quoting studies, its quoting facts.

You are pillorying the socially deprived and in particular taking aim at immigrants, so what about the brits that are proportionately out of work more than EEA migrants, that may be taking liberties, take their benefits away?

Not missing the point it's just that you are continuing to try to perpetuate the lie that immigration is doing us all good when it clearly does not .
I'm not demonizing immigrants either ,Id do the same if I were them and if your trying to insinuate I'm racist Id try another angle pal because that simply isn't me .
The reason why so many are here from other EU countries is because their own economies are up shit creek without a paddle and that should tell you everything you need to know about the state of the EU another very good reason to leave .

I am not pillorying the socially deprived either ,in fact quite the opposite ,the poor of this country face the real effects of mass immigration as they compete for the same very scarce resources this country has left and lose time after time due to ludicrous policies .

Your trying to make out like immigration is a huge deal to me which it isnt but once again flush you have tried to use it as a stick to beat me with and as usual fail badly !

you really should have been a politician - they respond to FACTS by waffling on about stuff and don't make any sense either.

if you are really worried about the poor of this country then you would be doing everything you could to STOP Brexit.
Nutflush has clearly made the point that EU immigrants make a CONTRIBUTION to the UK economy. When we leave the EU we will get POORER. What part of that do you not understand ?

Most european migrants are now actually returning to mainland Europe anyway, as their economies grow and the UK declines. Funnily enough you Brexiteers said that by now the EU would have collapsed. You don't hear anyone saying that though now...

[DB10GOONER]

Whooaahh there Rob. No name calling please.

You called Herd a politician.

That's worse than calling him a cùnt or a peado.

[A11M11]

You don't hear anyone saying that though now...
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Actually they do , it's just that you choose not to listen . Even Soros who has backed remain is saying it but it doesn't mean he is changing sides because he doesn't side with anyone but himself. He is a very rich manipulator , whose only motive is to make more money for himself . Nothing wrong with that it's just a warning about who you go to bed with.

European Union on the brink of collapse, George Soros says, blaming ...
uk.businessinsider.com/george-soros-president-trump-eu-collapse-2018-5

[Gunner Rob]

You don't hear anyone saying that though now...
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Actually they do , it's just that you choose not to listen . Even Soros who has backed remain is saying it but it doesn't mean he is changing sides because he doesn't side with anyone but himself. He is a very rich manipulator , whose only motive is to make more money for himself . Nothing wrong with that it's just a warning about who you go to bed with.

European Union on the brink of collapse, George Soros says, blaming ...
uk.businessinsider.com/george-soros-president-trump-eu-collapse-2018-5

fair enough although obviously I don't agree with that view.
plenty of people changing their views though - even Arron Banks said last week that he thought that REMAIN was probably now the better option.

[Allgunsblazin]

Not long to go now, 10-9

[A11M11]

even Arron Banks said last week that he thought that REMAIN was probably now the better option.

There was of course a caveat to that quote , being that he felt that the deal struck by the quisling May and her remaining colleagues was actually worse than the one we have presently. He went on to say in further interviews that a complete renegotiation by people that were in favour of leaving was required to take advantage of all the benefits of a clean Brexit.

[AkneyGooner]

Again you are missing the point herd. Overall, immigrants put more into the economy net than they take out. How many different ways can you put it. It is an economic benefit to this country to have them. Its not a question of patronising people by quoting studies, its quoting facts.

You are pillorying the socially deprived and in particular taking aim at immigrants, so what about the brits that are proportionately out of work more than EEA migrants, that may be taking liberties, take their benefits away?

Not missing the point it's just that you are continuing to try to perpetuate the lie that immigration is doing us all good when it clearly does not .
I'm not demonizing immigrants either ,Id do the same if I were them and if your trying to insinuate I'm racist Id try another angle pal because that simply isn't me .
The reason why so many are here from other EU countries is because their own economies are up shit creek without a paddle and that should tell you everything you need to know about the state of the EU another very good reason to leave .

I am not pillorying the socially deprived either ,in fact quite the opposite ,the poor of this country face the real effects of mass immigration as they compete for the same very scarce resources this country has left and lose time after time due to ludicrous policies .

Your trying to make out like immigration is a huge deal to me which it isnt but once again flush you have tried to use it as a stick to beat me with and as usual fail badly !

Yeah immigration is something that needs to talked about without trying to make out everyone who mentions it racist.

The reason why so many are here from other EU countries is because their own economies are up shit creek without a paddle and that should tell you everything you need to know about the state of the EU another very good reason to leave .

I would add to this many of these countries were ex communist countries, that had shit economic siutations before EU memebership as well.

mass migration is way of creating an economic equalibrium, either economic equalibrium will be achieved or states will become bankrupt/wastelands, and with the money being stripped out of nation states via international corperations the less and less there is to share.

I agree if I was a young man living in poland I would probably come to the UK, they are only trying to get ahead.

economic migration does not favour economies in a way that will translate well to most of the people living in those economies, it favours large/global corperations who will exploit the situation.


in nearly every aspect of the universe energy is created from an imbalance trying to achieve equalibrium, it could be heat/pressure or economic, create imbalance exploit the energy .