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Lets put this to bed Herd, because you are not looking at the bigger picture. Ok so your figures have been verified but what percentage of the EU population does that 100k represent, and as a proportion do EU migrants claim more than their UK counterparts. Well here is the proof:

I love it when you patronise me ,my problem is that you swallow peoples facts and figures wholesale without reading who commissions the studies and what their angle is . Quite simply anyone can make so called facts suit whatever the argument of the say is.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

An interesting quote from the piece:

"EU nationals of working age are more likely to be in work than UK nationals and non-EU citizens. About 82% of working age EU citizens in the UK are in work, compared to around 76% of UK nationals and 63% of people from outside the EU".

So in a nutshell, you can pull off figures about the number of EU migrants that claim benefits in the UK as much as you like, but the facts are as a proportion in comparison to UK nationals they are less of a burden on the state, and as I already stated in my original reply they contribute more to the economy than UK nationals. The evidence is compelling.

No matter they are less of a burden they are still a burden and thus we don't need them then do we ? It's pretty simple even Rob can follow that one !

With regards to right-wingers, are you telling me that the Brexit vote hasn't upset racial harmony in the UK? The police have statistics about hate crimes committed since the referendum and there definitely has been an upward trend. That's my point, people who may not have been so brave as to project such views generally would have stayed in their hovel pre-referendum but have become distinctly brave since.

There has been an increase in racists rants but Im not totally sure if that's because we now see everything on social media or if it's true ,but that wasn't my point !

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/03/1 ... r-factors/

Herd wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:10 pm

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Lets put this to bed Herd, because you are not looking at the bigger picture. Ok so your figures have been verified but what percentage of the EU population does that 100k represent, and as a proportion do EU migrants claim more than their UK counterparts. Well here is the proof:

I love it when you patronise me ,my problem is that you swallow peoples facts and figures wholesale without reading who commissions the studies and what their angle is . Quite simply anyone can make so called facts suit whatever the argument of the say is.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

An interesting quote from the piece:

"EU nationals of working age are more likely to be in work than UK nationals and non-EU citizens. About 82% of working age EU citizens in the UK are in work, compared to around 76% of UK nationals and 63% of people from outside the EU".

So in a nutshell, you can pull off figures about the number of EU migrants that claim benefits in the UK as much as you like, but the facts are as a proportion in comparison to UK nationals they are less of a burden on the state, and as I already stated in my original reply they contribute more to the economy than UK nationals. The evidence is compelling.

No matter they are less of a burden they are still a burden and thus we don't need them then do we ? It's pretty simple even Rob can follow that one !

With regards to right-wingers, are you telling me that the Brexit vote hasn't upset racial harmony in the UK? The police have statistics about hate crimes committed since the referendum and there definitely has been an upward trend. That's my point, people who may not have been so brave as to project such views generally would have stayed in their hovel pre-referendum but have become distinctly brave since.

There has been an increase in racists rants but Im not totally sure if that's because we now see everything on social media or if it's true ,but that wasn't my point !

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/03/1 ... r-factors/

Herd wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:10 pm

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Lets put this to bed Herd, because you are not looking at the bigger picture. Ok so your figures have been verified but what percentage of the EU population does that 100k represent, and as a proportion do EU migrants claim more than their UK counterparts. Well here is the proof:

I love it when you patronise me ,my problem is that you swallow peoples facts and figures wholesale without reading who commissions the studies and what their angle is . Quite simply anyone can make so called facts suit whatever the argument of the say is.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

An interesting quote from the piece:

"EU nationals of working age are more likely to be in work than UK nationals and non-EU citizens. About 82% of working age EU citizens in the UK are in work, compared to around 76% of UK nationals and 63% of people from outside the EU".

So in a nutshell, you can pull off figures about the number of EU migrants that claim benefits in the UK as much as you like, but the facts are as a proportion in comparison to UK nationals they are less of a burden on the state, and as I already stated in my original reply they contribute more to the economy than UK nationals. The evidence is compelling.

No matter they are less of a burden they are still a burden and thus we don't need them then do we ? It's pretty simple even Rob can follow that one !

With regards to right-wingers, are you telling me that the Brexit vote hasn't upset racial harmony in the UK? The police have statistics about hate crimes committed since the referendum and there definitely has been an upward trend. That's my point, people who may not have been so brave as to project such views generally would have stayed in their hovel pre-referendum but have become distinctly brave since.

There has been an increase in racists rants but Im not totally sure if that's because we now see everything on social media or if it's true ,but that wasn't my point !

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/03/1 ... r-factors/

nut flush gooner wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:35 pm

Herd wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:10 pm

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Lets put this to bed Herd, because you are not looking at the bigger picture. Ok so your figures have been verified but what percentage of the EU population does that 100k represent, and as a proportion do EU migrants claim more than their UK counterparts. Well here is the proof:

I love it when you patronise me ,my problem is that you swallow peoples facts and figures wholesale without reading who commissions the studies and what their angle is . Quite simply anyone can make so called facts suit whatever the argument of the say is.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

An interesting quote from the piece:

"EU nationals of working age are more likely to be in work than UK nationals and non-EU citizens. About 82% of working age EU citizens in the UK are in work, compared to around 76% of UK nationals and 63% of people from outside the EU".

So in a nutshell, you can pull off figures about the number of EU migrants that claim benefits in the UK as much as you like, but the facts are as a proportion in comparison to UK nationals they are less of a burden on the state, and as I already stated in my original reply they contribute more to the economy than UK nationals. The evidence is compelling.

No matter they are less of a burden they are still a burden and thus we don't need them then do we ? It's pretty simple even Rob can follow that one !

With regards to right-wingers, are you telling me that the Brexit vote hasn't upset racial harmony in the UK? The police have statistics about hate crimes committed since the referendum and there definitely has been an upward trend. That's my point, people who may not have been so brave as to project such views generally would have stayed in their hovel pre-referendum but have become distinctly brave since.

There has been an increase in racists rants but Im not totally sure if that's because we now see everything on social media or if it's true ,but that wasn't my point !

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/03/1 ... r-factors/

Again you are missing the point herd. Overall, immigrants put more into the economy net than they take out. How many different ways can you put it. It is an economic benefit to this country to have them. Its not a question of patronising people by quoting studies, its quoting facts.

You are pillorying the socially deprived and in particular taking aim at immigrants, so what about the brits that are proportionately out of work more than EEA migrants, that may be taking liberties, take their benefits away?

GoonerMuzz wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:42 am

nut flush gooner wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:35 pm

Herd wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:10 pm

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Lets put this to bed Herd, because you are not looking at the bigger picture. Ok so your figures have been verified but what percentage of the EU population does that 100k represent, and as a proportion do EU migrants claim more than their UK counterparts. Well here is the proof:

I love it when you patronise me ,my problem is that you swallow peoples facts and figures wholesale without reading who commissions the studies and what their angle is . Quite simply anyone can make so called facts suit whatever the argument of the say is.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

An interesting quote from the piece:

"EU nationals of working age are more likely to be in work than UK nationals and non-EU citizens. About 82% of working age EU citizens in the UK are in work, compared to around 76% of UK nationals and 63% of people from outside the EU".

So in a nutshell, you can pull off figures about the number of EU migrants that claim benefits in the UK as much as you like, but the facts are as a proportion in comparison to UK nationals they are less of a burden on the state, and as I already stated in my original reply they contribute more to the economy than UK nationals. The evidence is compelling.

No matter they are less of a burden they are still a burden and thus we don't need them then do we ? It's pretty simple even Rob can follow that one !

With regards to right-wingers, are you telling me that the Brexit vote hasn't upset racial harmony in the UK? The police have statistics about hate crimes committed since the referendum and there definitely has been an upward trend. That's my point, people who may not have been so brave as to project such views generally would have stayed in their hovel pre-referendum but have become distinctly brave since.

There has been an increase in racists rants but Im not totally sure if that's because we now see everything on social media or if it's true ,but that wasn't my point !

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/03/1 ... r-factors/

Again you are missing the point herd. Overall, immigrants put more into the economy net than they take out. How many different ways can you put it. It is an economic benefit to this country to have them. Its not a question of patronising people by quoting studies, its quoting facts.

You are pillorying the socially deprived and in particular taking aim at immigrants, so what about the brits that are proportionately out of work more than EEA migrants, that may be taking liberties, take their benefits away?

Nutty there are 1.7M unemployed in this country, even if only half of them are able to work surely it is better to get them back in to work and potentially reduce the benefits bill than it is bringing a migrant in who may also require benefits to be able to make ends meet in this country, after all we're talking low skilled workers here.

If John Smith in Newcastle and Jon Novek from Europe apply for the same job and are both able to do it then it does not benefit the economy if Mr Novek gets the job over Mr Smith, its simple economics......

Again you are missing the point herd. Overall, immigrants put more into the economy net than they take out. How many different ways can you put it. It is an economic benefit to this country to have them. Its not a question of patronising people by quoting studies, its quoting facts.

You are pillorying the socially deprived and in particular taking aim at immigrants, so what about the brits that are proportionately out of work more than EEA migrants, that may be taking liberties, take their benefits away?

Herd wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:19 am

Again you are missing the point herd. Overall, immigrants put more into the economy net than they take out. How many different ways can you put it. It is an economic benefit to this country to have them. Its not a question of patronising people by quoting studies, its quoting facts.

You are pillorying the socially deprived and in particular taking aim at immigrants, so what about the brits that are proportionately out of work more than EEA migrants, that may be taking liberties, take their benefits away?

Not missing the point it's just that you are continuing to try to perpetuate the lie that immigration is doing us all good when it clearly does not .
I'm not demonizing immigrants either ,Id do the same if I were them and if your trying to insinuate I'm racist Id try another angle pal because that simply isn't me .
The reason why so many are here from other EU countries is because their own economies are up shit creek without a paddle and that should tell you everything you need to know about the state of the EU another very good reason to leave .

I am not pillorying the socially deprived either ,in fact quite the opposite ,the poor of this country face the real effects of mass immigration as they compete for the same very scarce resources this country has left and lose time after time due to ludicrous policies .

Your trying to make out like immigration is a huge deal to me which it isnt but once again flush you have tried to use it as a stick to beat me with and as usual fail badly !

A11M11 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:39 pm

You don't hear anyone saying that though now...
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Actually they do , it's just that you choose not to listen . Even Soros who has backed remain is saying it but it doesn't mean he is changing sides because he doesn't side with anyone but himself. He is a very rich manipulator , whose only motive is to make more money for himself . Nothing wrong with that it's just a warning about who you go to bed with.

European Union on the brink of collapse, George Soros says, blaming ...
uk.businessinsider.com/george-soros-president-trump-eu-collapse-2018-5

Herd wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:19 am

Again you are missing the point herd. Overall, immigrants put more into the economy net than they take out. How many different ways can you put it. It is an economic benefit to this country to have them. Its not a question of patronising people by quoting studies, its quoting facts.

You are pillorying the socially deprived and in particular taking aim at immigrants, so what about the brits that are proportionately out of work more than EEA migrants, that may be taking liberties, take their benefits away?

Not missing the point it's just that you are continuing to try to perpetuate the lie that immigration is doing us all good when it clearly does not .
I'm not demonizing immigrants either ,Id do the same if I were them and if your trying to insinuate I'm racist Id try another angle pal because that simply isn't me .
The reason why so many are here from other EU countries is because their own economies are up shit creek without a paddle and that should tell you everything you need to know about the state of the EU another very good reason to leave .

I am not pillorying the socially deprived either ,in fact quite the opposite ,the poor of this country face the real effects of mass immigration as they compete for the same very scarce resources this country has left and lose time after time due to ludicrous policies .

Your trying to make out like immigration is a huge deal to me which it isnt but once again flush you have tried to use it as a stick to beat me with and as usual fail badly !