As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
I would like all 17 non Arsenal fans that voted for the Chelsea win to step forward and identify themselves, so that the rest of us can completely disregard anything they utter on any Arsenal related matters going forward. I'm serious - I can not engage with anyone who cheered on Captain Chav, Cashley Hole and all the others on Saturday - it is WUMing of the highest order and those involved should be thrown off the site in my opinion
Now, clearly the exception to the rule is Tomas and any of our other German friends because they voted as they should do. If a Dortmund fan site had a similar poll set-up and so called Dortmund fans had voted for Bayern then I would expect the same reaction from them.
3 of the voters - gunner_ace, SurreyGooner and bunch have identified themselves - anyone else care to step forward and join the club of 17
mate, I want to know where are those fas who voted in the poll on main page wanting to be in Arsenals position. 70% wanted to be 3rd. 30% wanted to be 6th and into two Cups like Chelsea.
what drugs are those 70% taking?? I want it too!! f*ck reality!!
gunner_ace wrote:I just don’t see it like any of you. This can only be a good thing for Arsenal to push on.
The thing is Chelski have done it now with a CARETAKER manager. In my eyes Wenger now has nowhere to hide, this great club is well overdue a European Cup (proper) glory. I think it will act as a catalyst for Arsenal to push on and win it.
But why should it even need to take Chelsea winning the damn thing to act as a catalyst for us to really go for it? Why wasn't our own desire to make history enough for those at the club?
gunner_ace wrote:To sort of paraphrase from the great manager of Europe himself Brian Clough;
Chelski have won the competition now, so next year Arsenal have to go and win it better.
Problem is that Clough said that about Leeds - and lasted all of 44 days!!
gunner_ace wrote:I just don’t see it like any of you. This can only be a good thing for Arsenal to push on.
The thing is Chelski have done it now with a CARETAKER manager. In my eyes Wenger now has nowhere to hide, this great club is well overdue a European Cup (proper) glory. I think it will act as a catalyst for Arsenal to push on and win it.
But why should it even need to take Chelsea winning the damn thing to act as a catalyst for us to really go for it? Why wasn't our own desire to make history enough for those at the club?
gunner_ace wrote:To sort of paraphrase from the great manager of Europe himself Brian Clough;
Chelski have won the competition now, so next year Arsenal have to go and win it better.
Problem is that Clough said that about Leeds - and lasted all of 44 days!!
Good question Helb. Surely the prospect of being crowned kings of Europe should be motivation enough, but it dosent seem to be for this group of players. Did Arsenal look like a team befit of passion and pride during the 0-4 tonking by Milan? Did the boys fight with their hearts for the club during Messi’s 4 goal dismantling of Arsenal a few years ago? Did the players look bothered when all we had to do was win unglamorous ties at Braga or Shaktar to win our group last year? NO
My point is that if Wenger is worth his salt as a manager he will be pinning a picture of that twat Terry lifting the cup (after gatecrashing the pitch) to the dressing room wall, and no-one is allowed to touch it until we win the cup for ourselves. Chelski are the Kings of Europe and we must do everything we can to get that crown.
The thing about Clough lasting 44 days. Yeah okay slight historical oversight on my part. Ha ha.
gunner_ace wrote:I just don’t see it like any of you. This can only be a good thing for Arsenal to push on.
The thing is Chelski have done it now with a CARETAKER manager. In my eyes Wenger now has nowhere to hide, this great club is well overdue a European Cup (proper) glory. I think it will act as a catalyst for Arsenal to push on and win it. I for one have had the feeling every year since 08 have just thought we were going through the motions in this competition, casing our fat pay offs from the competition and haven’t seen any real desire from any of the players to perform.
Like I said now that Chelski have won it now and now they are #1, top dogs, cream of the crop etc etc in Europe. Next season has to all be about Wenger not accepting this and doing everything humanly possible using ALL of the financial means available to him to assemble a squad capable of dismantling Chelskis legacy double quick time.
All of the anger im reading here for Chelski winning it will undoubtedly manifest itself onto the terraces next season, and All I can say is that is a good thing as it means the team should be rightly afraid of a defeat in Europe now.
To sort of paraphrase from the great manager of Europe himself Brian Clough;
Chelski have won the competition now, so next year Arsenal have to go and win it better.
Well I really hope you are right mate, but sadly I have absolutely no conviction that it will mean Kroenke or Gazidis will do anything differently. They will bang on about "financial fair play" and how Chelsea will have to adapt like everyone else and try to convince us that it is the likes of Chelsea and Man City that will need to change to our model. Wenger loves to hide behind the old financial fair play bollocks too, so in my eyes its the worst outcome. When someone like Porto or Dortmund win it, Wenger truly has nowhere to hide because those teams are competing within their means. He will just dismiss a Chelsea CL victory in the same way he'll discredit City winning the league.
As for the Clough quote - I think we all feel like that as fans....but sadly I think you're more likely to hear Sir Rednose uttering those words than Lord Wenger. Ferguson's reaction after losing the title on goal difference was a quick "well done to them", followed up by words of warning for next season which I think we will see translated into action on the field and in the transfer market.
For me that's the difference between a truly great Manager like Ferguson and merely a good coach like Wenger - Ferguson refuses to accept City and Chelsea's wealth as an excuse for even coming second, whilst Wenger heralds finishing top 4 as a heroic achievement and has us all believe that its impossible to compete with them
You're going to be waiting a long time gunner_ace.
It's not going to happen - if the culture of an organisation is so ingrained with failure as this one, then it would take a completely new philiosophy to come in and change it - that is true for any organisation.
You only need to look at the impact a certain someone had in 1996. We need that again, we need a push from the boardroom. Unfortunately, they are rowing in the same direction, and don't give two hoots about challenging. This transmits itself to the players, and what we have is a leaderless, directionless team too caught up in it's own hype to remember what the point is.
arseofacrow wrote:You're going to be waiting a long time gunner_ace.
It's not going to happen - if the culture of an organisation is so ingrained with failure as this one, then it would take a completely new philiosophy to come in and change it - that is true for any organisation.
You only need to look at the impact a certain someone had in 1996. We need that again, we need a push from the boardroom. Unfortunately, they are rowing in the same direction, and don't give two hoots about challenging. This transmits itself to the players, and what we have is a leaderless, directionless team too caught up in it's own hype to remember what the point is.
Absolutely nothing will change.
....and also when GG was appointed 10 years before that, when we'd suffered umpteen years of failure before that. As you say, when failure is so engrained in a club it often needs a wholesale change. Graham came in and said to the better players "you are good players, why haven't you won anything" and set about getting rid of overpaid primadonnas and bringing in hungry professionals from lower divisions and kids from the youth set-up....BUT.....instilling a fighting spirit and a will to win that just seems lacking from players today (despite the fact that some of them are equally if not more talented)
gunner_ace wrote:I just don’t see it like any of you. This can only be a good thing for Arsenal to push on.
The thing is Chelski have done it now with a CARETAKER manager. In my eyes Wenger now has nowhere to hide, this great club is well overdue a European Cup (proper) glory. I think it will act as a catalyst for Arsenal to push on and win it. I for one have had the feeling every year since 08 have just thought we were going through the motions in this competition, casing our fat pay offs from the competition and haven’t seen any real desire from any of the players to perform.
Like I said now that Chelski have won it now and now they are #1, top dogs, cream of the crop etc etc in Europe. Next season has to all be about Wenger not accepting this and doing everything humanly possible using ALL of the financial means available to him to assemble a squad capable of dismantling Chelskis legacy double quick time.
All of the anger im reading here for Chelski winning it will undoubtedly manifest itself onto the terraces next season, and All I can say is that is a good thing as it means the team should be rightly afraid of a defeat in Europe now.
Ok lets say that you are correct in what you say, do you honestly believe that it will turn the heat up on wenger in any way shape or form ?? Do you really feel that wenger and the club realistically set out to win it each season ?
Finally do you honestly believe the anger will manifest itself at matches in the grove ? There are way too many fans out there who still believe in wenger and will cite money as the reason why the chavs won and wenger didnt Realism is a million miles away from these people and that will never change when it comes to defending wenger
rigsby wrote:Has anyone told Terry he didn't win the European Cup?
Classless prick, should have learnt from Roy Keane how to act in that situation.
Agreed. The guy has no fucking shame whatsoever. Another reason (although another was hardly needed) as to why I desperately wanted them to fail - seeing that fuckwit with his hands on the biggest prize in European football.
I mean fair play to the guys who played, they won it. A guy like Ashley Cole, even though he's a twat, put in one hell of a performance, and deserved a medal. But then that prick runs on as if he's done anything, picking up the trophy. He nearly cost them the bloody thing.
Keane refused a medal IIRC, as did Scholes, on the basis that they didn't deserve it.
rigsby wrote:Has anyone told Terry he didn't win the European Cup?
Classless prick, should have learnt from Roy Keane how to act in that situation.
He's got to be the target of the songs next season, surely. I will be very disappointed if this *word censored* isn't singled out for some abuse for his behavior.
Do you really feel that wenger and the club realistically set out to win it each season ?
