Arsenal v Norwich - Saturday 30th April 2016 @ 17:15pm

[officepest]

Milesgooner:

Reading NB123 kick the virtual shit out of your post was far more entertaining than anything served up by Wenger this season.

Stick around.

[Bradywasking]

Milesgooner:

Reading NB123 kick the virtual shit out of your post was far more entertaining than anything served up by Wenger this season.

Stick around.

Was that intentional ?

[officepest]

Milesgooner:

Reading NB123 kick the virtual shit out of your post was far more entertaining than anything served up by Wenger this season.

Stick around.

Was that intentional ?

Another trophy is coming!

[OneBardGooner]

Great post NB123.

Realising there are a few of us who can see through the BS our club spouts, and the gullible modern fans seem to swallow, is the only thing that keeps the total apathy at bay.
Watching events unfold around our once great and proud FOOTBALL club is a bit like reading about an old fascist or communist state. Big lies being told and many believing it. I feel as though I'm part of an underground resistance movement sometimes.

[milesgooner]

Well why doesn't he arrange a virtual protest as well seeing as the virtual debate is going so well? Soon you'll realise that to have an intelligent and engaging site you don't have a group of 50 people with the same view. I'm guessing as you live in South Wales you don't go to many games? As I said in my original post I think the majority of people probably want change, but I stand by my view that there are far more people in their 20's that want him out than in their 40's and 50's. I also reiterate that change doesn't occur by bleating on a blog that no more than a 1000 people read.

[northbank123]

I had a season ticket for about 15 years and have still gone regularly last few years since giving it up superfan - although after wasting 15 hours and best part of a hundred quid to watch our lot trot around with their tails between their legs at Old Trafford I've got no Appetite to waste more time and money watching this lot as long as Wenger is there.

The majority of people going want change? sorry but that's bollocks because the majority of people who go to games believe that Wenger has earned the right to leave whenever he wants and should suffer no dissent - given that he has shown no intention of leaving they can't really want change much at all because it's not going to fucking come if everybody keeps clapping politely as we bottle another title challenge.

I can't speak for everybody here but as far as I'm aware it is genuinely accepted that the Wenger Out lot are in a considerable minority amongst fans who go to the Emirates. Anybody thinking that there would be 20,000+ fans holding placards is deluded.

Look if you want to go and spend a small fortune to watch Giroud fucking lumber about as our lone striker for 4 seasons whilst the likes of Kane, Aguero, van Persie, Suarez and Costa have banged in goals for our rivals then fine. If you want to listen to endless excuses about lack of financial power whilst paying some of the highest ticket prices on the planet and watching the likes of Walcott and Giroud take home about a quarter of a million a week, that's your choice. Although why you are so smug that we will be lumbered with this same shit for the foreseeable future I have no idea.

[milesgooner]

Because I don't think we'll be lumbered with the same shit for the foreseeable future. AW will have one more season unless he wins the league or the champions league (which I doubt will happen). Everyone I sit with who have been seasons ticket holders for 30 odd years agree that a change is probably required. However we're also of the opinion that AW deserves a bit more respect than a crappy A4 protest telling him to go.

[Bradywasking]

Because I don't think we'll be lumbered with the same shit for the foreseeable future. AW will have one more season unless he wins the league or the champions league (which I doubt will happen). Everyone I sit with who have been seasons ticket holders for 30 odd years agree that a change is probably required. However we're also of the opinion that AW deserves a bit more respect than a crappy A4 protest telling him to go.

milesgooner, Those crappy A4 posters actually called for change within the club without referencing the manager or any individual. Granted the implication was there. I fully supported the protest and the right of the fans , true Arsenal fans despite how they are depicted by the club , supporters club and media, to protest.
I would see your argument as being considered even if I don't agree with it. Sadly my argument would not get any respect from the seeming majority that wouldn't agree with it. Why can there be such dismissal of dissent in a free world ?
If AW deserves respect why does he assume he has not to return the respect to the supporters and to the history of the club ?
Finally how do you think Wenger's reign at Arsenal should end ?

[northbank123]

Because I don't think we'll be lumbered with the same shit for the foreseeable future. AW will have one more season unless he wins the league or the champions league (which I doubt will happen). Everyone I sit with who have been seasons ticket holders for 30 odd years agree that a change is probably required. However we're also of the opinion that AW deserves a bit more respect than a crappy A4 protest telling him to go.

Why will he only have one more season? The guy hasn't got anywhere near winning the league for 12 years and makes it clear that he thinks he has done wonderfully during that time, why would one more year make a difference? The board will never cut him loose and if everybody refrains from expressing any discontent as you wish then you can bet your bottom dollar he will sign another deal.

Remember that this is a bloke who said he'd walk away several years ago if he didn't win the league within 2 years as that would be a failure.

Why does everybody think we still owe Wenger this immense debt of gratitude? He has had a decade of slack from the fans since we moved. If anybody other manager had come in and performed like this since 2006 they would have been canned long ago. He has ignored every opportunity to walk away, smugly brushed aside every embarrassing thrashing, blamed the fans for us not winning the league this year (amongst other things) and comes out with nonsense like he built the club without being called out on it. And he'll keep doing so as long as the ground is packed full of people who tentatively say they'd like change but basically oppose anything which might bring it about.

[MrT]

Because I don't think we'll be lumbered with the same shit for the foreseeable future. AW will have one more season unless he wins the league or the champions league (which I doubt will happen). Everyone I sit with who have been seasons ticket holders for 30 odd years agree that a change is probably required. However we're also of the opinion that AW deserves a bit more respect than a crappy A4 protest telling him to go.

Tragic and pathetic sums up your apathy.

It's always ''one more year'', ''he deserves more respect'', ''we are a classy club'', bore bore fucking bore. Why does he deserve respect? Has he shown any to the fans? He's always been dismissive and arrogant at the fact people question his odd decisions. It's funny how we have become a retirement home for Wenger and he has somehow earned the last year of his contract. Almost as bad as when people say he gets to decide when he leaves.

Only an idiot focuses on method of the protest and not the message behind it.

[milesgooner]

I agree that everyone has the right to protest without being grief for it and that's why the majority didn't get involved with petty squabbles. Not sure what Wenger's done in my eyes to disrespect the fans or the traditions of the club. I'd prefer him to evaluate this season honestly and resign if he doesn't have the fight (I don't think that's likely). If he does have the appetite he needs to admit the failures of this season and go for broke (not sure that's likely either!) If he doesn't his position will be untenable and the negative atmosphere will force him out before next season ends. Obviously I'd prefer it if we sold the dead wood and spent that money and an additional £100m on new players and won the league.

[casgooner]

Because I don't think we'll be lumbered with the same shit for the foreseeable future. AW will have one more season unless he wins the league or the champions league (which I doubt will happen). Everyone I sit with who have been seasons ticket holders for 30 odd years agree that a change is probably required. However we're also of the opinion that AW deserves a bit more respect than a crappy A4 protest telling him to go.

You have your views, fair enough, but do you not think Wenger has disrespected the fans by 1 justifying a hike in ticket prices and 2 blaming the fans for losses to 'inferior' opposition at home? The fans would not have become negative had we seen some passion and fight on the pitch. It gets a bit tedious seeing the same old dross served up every year.

[northbank123]

I agree that everyone has the right to protest without being grief for it and that's why the majority didn't get involved with petty squabbles. Not sure what Wenger's done in my eyes to disrespect the fans or the traditions of the club. I'd prefer him to evaluate this season honestly and resign if he doesn't have the fight (I don't think that's likely). If he does have the appetite he needs to admit the failures of this season and go for broke (not sure that's likely either!) If he doesn't his position will be untenable and the negative atmosphere will force him out before next season ends. Obviously I'd prefer it if we sold the dead wood and spent that money and an additional £100m on new players and won the league.

The reality is that your post - he needs to acknowledge the failures and put them right next year - could have been made every single summer since 2008. And no doubt you'll be saying the same this time next year.

Putting everything else about protests, atmosphere, abuse, Wenger's disrespect for the fans aside - that is the bottom line. How many summers have you said the same Hong. How many "one more years"?

[northbank123]

And yes if you're looking for examples of him disrespecting the fans two recent ones are blaming us for not winning the league (apparently eight fewer away points than Leicester is championship-winning form away from home) and declaring that he built he club when we were the third most successful club in the country when he joined.

[Bradywasking]

And yes if you're looking for examples of him disrespecting the fans two recent ones are blaming us for not winning the league (apparently eight fewer away points than Leicester is championship-winning form away from home) and declaring that he built he club when we were the third most successful club in the country when he joined.

That is what I meant by saying he didn't return the respect he feels he deserves