Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[DB10GOONER]

This is his last year, for me. I want to see if last year was an anomaly or not. If it was, it’s time he fucked off.

If we revert back to how we were prior to last season, I want him gone by Christmas; so we have something to salvage.

No fucking about anymore, piss or get off the pot.

Yep. 100% with this. It's a results driven business. Sentiment cannot come into it. We cannot give Arteta ten years to show he can get us repeatedly into the top 4. That's an Everton or Bolton level ambition. He's had time, he's been superbly financially backed by the wiggy cùnt in fairness, and now he has to show he can deliver. Major trophy this season or adios, no hard feelings, but we Arsenal, not fucking Everton, we must be challenging for, and winning, major trophies.

Sky Sports transfer show this morning are saying that Arsenal fans are delighted with the business we have done so far, and I'm thinking really ?? We've spent almost £210m and I really dont see much bang for our buck. We bought a chelski reject, paid well over odds for a shammers plodder, and bought a good right back - I dont see any difference makers there. When you spend massive money like we have, you would expect at least one of the signings to have that x factor to conjure up a bit of brilliance when things are tight in those big games, but I dont see that at all.

People still talk about the way the scum wasted the big money they got for monkey boy when he went to madrid, and we still talk about the big money we wasted on our 11th hour shopping trolley dash under the senile cock, but I suspect in time this window will be spoken about in the same manner

It might well be augster. I can't knock the club because they have provided the money, so if it goes to shit, it's down to Arteta. He's picked the players he wanted and now he has to make it work.

I have to admit to being whelmed by our signings. Rice is a good player but nowhere near a great player worth a hundred million, so for me he has everything to prove (and I hope he does). Havertz is just a bizarre signing at 65 million.... God knows what Arteta sees there, but again I hope he is right and Havertz turns out amazing. But honestly, can I see both of those things happening....? No, not really.

[OneBardGooner]

I am hopeful; like most that Havertz will prove the doubters wrong and be the player Arteta seems to think he can be... BUT - that £65 Million could have gone towards buying Caicedo a player I think is only just beginning to show just how damn fucking good he's going to be.

[Retro Gunner]

This is his last year, for me. I want to see if last year was an anomaly or not. If it was, it’s time he fucked off.

If we revert back to how we were prior to last season, I want him gone by Christmas; so we have something to salvage.

No fucking about anymore, piss or get off the pot.

Yep. 100% with this. It's a results driven business. Sentiment cannot come into it. We cannot give Arteta ten years to show he can get us repeatedly into the top 4. That's an Everton or Bolton level ambition. He's had time, he's been superbly financially backed by the wiggy cùnt in fairness, and now he has to show he can deliver. Major trophy this season or adios, no hard feelings, but we Arsenal, not fucking Everton, we must be challenging for, and winning, major trophies.

Sky Sports transfer show this morning are saying that Arsenal fans are delighted with the business we have done so far, and I'm thinking really ?? We've spent almost £210m and I really dont see much bang for our buck. We bought a chelski reject, paid well over odds for a shammers plodder, and bought a good right back - I dont see any difference makers there. When you spend massive money like we have, you would expect at least one of the signings to have that x factor to conjure up a bit of brilliance when things are tight in those big games, but I dont see that at all.

People still talk about the way the scum wasted the big money they got for monkey boy when he went to madrid, and we still talk about the big money we wasted on our 11th hour shopping trolley dash under the senile cock, but I suspect in time this window will be spoken about in the same manner

It might well be augster. I can't knock the club because they have provided the money, so if it goes to shit, it's down to Arteta. He's picked the players he wanted and now he has to make it work.

I have to admit to being whelmed by our signings. Rice is a good player but nowhere near a great player worth a hundred million, so for me he has everything to prove (and I hope he does). Havertz is just a bizarre signing at 65 million.... God knows what Arteta sees there, but again I hope he is right and Havertz turns out amazing. But honestly, can I see both of those things happening....? No, not really.

Welcome to the party chaps.

In fairness, you've both said it before, but I've been becoming a bore about it, so it's good to see others expressing the doubts. We all hope we're wrong, but I have a very powerful feeling that this is going to be a tough season. I fear they've all learned that if you keep our two wingers quiet, we have fuck all else to hurt you with and it remains to be seen whether we'll start the season with our 17 year old problem, namely a centre midfield that offers no protection to the back four.

As you say DB, this is 100% Arteta's team and he's had 3 1/2 years and lots of financial support to construct it and install his "process". Hats off to him for last season and I think most of us can forgive the fall at the last hurdle. However, we can't go backwards and he's been given £200m + to add players of his choosing. Many of us on here would have spent it very differently, but he's the boss, he's in the hot seat and given the time and huge financial investment he's had, the "process" has to now reap dividends.

If those dividends don't come, or if we're way off the pace by November, then as Arsenal Til I Die says, it will be time for him to fuck off, or be fucked off.

[OneBardGooner]

BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66409342



Mikel Arteta: Arsenal manager considered his Premier League future after missing out on title






Mikel Arteta considered his future as Arsenal manager after last season's title disappointment until deep "reflection" persuaded him to stay put.

The Gunners led the Premier League by five points from Manchester City before consecutive draws with Liverpool, West Ham and Southampton proved costly.

Arsenal's next game was a heavy defeat at City, who went on to win the title by five points from the London side.

"The first few weeks, very tough," said Arteta, looking back at his summer.

"The first thing you have to do is look in the mirror and understand - is there something that you should have done better or differently? If that is the case then learn from it.

"Judge yourself - 'are you still the right person to drive the club, the team, forwards in the way that you want and do you have that energy and that belief that you want to do it?'.

"It took a big reflection, but the answer is yes and I feel with a lot of energy and positiveness."

During the title run-in, Arsenal led 2-0 at Liverpool and West Ham before being held to draws, with winger Bukayo Saka missing a penalty when his side were 2-1 up against the Hammers.

Arsenal then needed two late goals to salvage a 3-3 draw against a Southampton side who went on to be relegated, before sliding to a telling 4-1 defeat at City.

Asked what was the difference between City and his team, Arteta said: "Momentum. In the key moments when it should have gone one way - and in many situations in the season it went for us - it didn't go for us.

"It was one, two, three and then we lost momentum and they took momentum.

"You are talking about a team that if they need to win 25 games in a row, they have the capacity to do that, so the last thing that they need is momentum and belief and we gave them that.

"We had games that we didn't win, especially the three draws that we had when momentum shifted.

"We should have won those games and we had enough to win those games - it was in our hands.

"They were key moments when we just weren't ruthless enough, clinical enough, didn't have the luck or we made certain mistakes that allowed that to happen. We have to recognise that as well."

Pick your combined Arsenal-Manchester City team
Arsenal will play City in the Community Shield on Sunday. Despite Pep Guardiola's side losing Ilkay Gundogan and Riyad Mahrez this summer, Arteta warned against thinking City are at the end of a cycle.

"I've heard that a few times in the last seven years and they have won five titles," said Arteta, who was a coach under Guardiola at City before taking over in December 2019 at Arsenal.

"Knowing the manager and the people at the club, I don't think that's going to be the case."

[DB10GOONER]

The "momentum shifted" when fucking Lobotomy Clive fucked us at Anfield. Just fucking admit it, Arteta ffs.

[Gunner Rob]

The guy has completely lost the plot.
Apparently he has said that we were 10 times better in the match v Fulham today than in the equivalent match a year ago (which we won).

If he is going to come out with crazy deluded comments like this then he can fuck right off.
I have just about had enough of him - at least Wenger was a multiple winner at the club.
I hope the fanbase open their eyes a bit - I think he might be out of his depth.

[Retro Gunner]

The guy has completely lost the plot.
Apparently he has said that we were 10 times better in the match v Fulham today than in the equivalent match a year ago (which we won).

If he is going to come out with crazy deluded comments like this then he can fuck right off.
I have just about had enough of him - at least Wenger was a multiple winner at the club.
I hope the fanbase open their eyes a bit - I think he might be out of his depth.

Fuck me, did he really say that?

Daft comments like that are those of a bloke who’s floundering. We had over 10 years of that crap from Wenger and now Mkll is at it.

It won’t be long and he’ll be quoting possession stats and talking about illusory domination, expected goals, accidents, handbrakes and the old special circumstances.

[Gunner Rob]

The guy has completely lost the plot.
Apparently he has said that we were 10 times better in the match v Fulham today than in the equivalent match a year ago (which we won).

If he is going to come out with crazy deluded comments like this then he can fuck right off.
I have just about had enough of him - at least Wenger was a multiple winner at the club.
I hope the fanbase open their eyes a bit - I think he might be out of his depth.

Fuck me, did he really say that?

Daft comments like that are those of a bloke who’s floundering. We had over 10 years of that crap from Wenger and now Mkll is at it.

It won’t be long and he’ll be quoting possession stats and talking about illusory domination, expected goals, accidents, handbrakes and the old special circumstances.

Here you go:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66630620

Thing is people actually believe this rubbish.
Just met up with a friend who hadn't seen any of the match yesterday but had read this article and was telling me that "it sounds like everything is fine and yesterday was just one of those early season blips". I tried to tell him that no we were actually crap but he wouldn't have it - "we have spent £200 million blah blah blah"

[augie]

Several pundits (inc rat neville) have come out and said that el basque needs to stop his experimenting (ie fcuking about) with his tactics cos it is not working - this is where the legohead c.unt will stand up and display his real wengerism's and dig his heels in further and maybe play no full backs at all against manure Stupid c.unt thinks he can rewrite football and will be even more determined to show what a genius he is

[SteveO 35]

The guy has completely lost the plot.
Apparently he has said that we were 10 times better in the match v Fulham today than in the equivalent match a year ago (which we won).

If he is going to come out with crazy deluded comments like this then he can fuck right off.
I have just about had enough of him - at least Wenger was a multiple winner at the club.
I hope the fanbase open their eyes a bit - I think he might be out of his depth.

Fuck me, did he really say that?

Daft comments like that are those of a bloke who’s floundering. We had over 10 years of that crap from Wenger and now Mkll is at it.

It won’t be long and he’ll be quoting possession stats and talking about illusory domination, expected goals, accidents, handbrakes and the old special circumstances.

The "internal market" isn't closed for business yet either

ONE ARSENE WENGER.......THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

[DB10GOONER]

The guy has completely lost the plot.
Apparently he has said that we were 10 times better in the match v Fulham today than in the equivalent match a year ago (which we won).

If he is going to come out with crazy deluded comments like this then he can fuck right off.
I have just about had enough of him - at least Wenger was a multiple winner at the club.
I hope the fanbase open their eyes a bit - I think he might be out of his depth.

Fuck me, did he really say that?

Daft comments like that are those of a bloke who’s floundering. We had over 10 years of that crap from Wenger and now Mkll is at it.

It won’t be long and he’ll be quoting possession stats and talking about illusory domination, expected goals, accidents, handbrakes and the old special circumstances.

The "internal market" isn't closed for business yet either

ONE ARSENE WENGER.......THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

[mcdowell42]

An extraordinary interview with Mikel Arteta - he basically said if you are obsessing over formations, you're not watching the game properly.

Additional bits I took:

Spending our way out of a Timber injury wasn't an option
He thinks we are already playing at a higher level
Our new options have made us better
If you don't get what he's doing, that's kind of the point

Bold presser from a manager who seems very comfortable about what he's bringing to the table this season.

Le grove blog

[wibble]

Arteta seems to be losing it- comparing out tactical changes this season with his commute!

[SteveO 35]

One of my biggest criticisms of Wenger in his later years was the total lack of tactical nous and adaptability - whether it was Barcelona away or Shrewsbury Town at home, he knew one way of playing and that was that......so it would seem hypocritical to now knock Arteta for trying something different. Having said that, from where I'm sat there was little wrong with last season's team that 2-3 players and proper leadership couldn't resolve. If he'd been doing this immediately after one of the years where we finished 8th, it would be easier to understand and accept

He's getting nailed for playing Partey at right back but the Partey I remember from when we played Atletico was very comfortable rampaging down that side of the field. He's a liability in midfield at times, so I get the logic. Havertz? Lets wait and see

The two areas that concern me more than either of those two are the ridiculous experiment of Tomiyasu at LCB/LB. I can only hope Zinchenko will recover his early form of last season back, but even if he does then Tomiyasu will still make regular appearances there with Timber fucked, and Tavares and Tierney moved on. I'd rather have either of those two there then Tomiyasu, and if anyone is going to cost us big games it will be him. The second area is the lack of a top drawer CF - Jesus doesn't score enough and Eddie should be a squad player. I don't want to hear about Martinelli, Havertz or Trossard playing there. If we are a serious PL/CL club you have a proper player in that position

[augie]

Steve O in all my time on here I dont think I have disagreed with you half a dozen times, but your defence of pep's cone boy has floored me tbh

I argued two seasons ago that this clown didnt want saliba cos ben white was bought to play centre back for big money - in the time that has since passed he has finally accepted that Saliba is our best centre back (BY FAR), but undeterred he has now switched his focus to gabriel and has shafted him to get white into centre back and moved saliba to the left side too Anyone who knows anything about the game understands that for the most part centre backs are all about partnerships - we had a good centre back partnership last season and have fcuked about with it and it is costing us big time - a proper left sided centre back would be more comfortable covering that side when we have out of position players playing at left full, so stability should be paramount right now - instead this gormless cock has weakened our whole back 4 and that will explain why we are conceding from never every shot the opposition has.

Secondly I dont remember ANYONE waxing lyrical about partey as a right back for ath madrid - he is a defensive midfielder to 95% of people, and imo is too slow to play right back. There surely is no doubt that a back 4 of white saliba gabriel zinchenko/tommy/kiwor is miles better than a back 4 of partey white saliba zinchenko/tommy/kiwor ?? Leagues are won on solid defences - the senile french cock thought that he could rewrite that theory and neglected our defence (and defensive midfield) to his and our peril for years, Some are suggesting that his absolute commitment to the german xhaka is the reason why he wont change back his defence, but I'm not sure about that - what I do know is that if he keeps going with this nonsense then we are fcuked and the tide will turn very quickly against him