The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[Gunner Rob]

Theresa May is 1/3 on to WIN tonight

if she does win then I think the hard Brexiteers dream will finally be over.
it will then be a choice between the Theresa May deal or staying in the EU.

[Herd]

Reading Nut n Rob is like watching Dumb and Dumber ,Nut at least has half a brain but is impressed too much by the billions of pounds the remoaners have spent on propaganda since the Vote and is impressed with made up facts .
I fully appreciate that a lot of people don't want to leave the EU and that's fine ,it doesn't make you a bad person at all but the avalanche of bullshit and lies that we've had post the vote is too much for anyone to swallow .
The latest wheeze is the Drug shortage spoof . It might surprise you to learn Nut that the united Kingdom imports a lot of Goods including Drugs from outside the UK, amazing , who would have thought that eh ?
Goods travel with a manifest and , Bills of lading and other documentation ,and they tell the lil old customs men on their computers what they are .
Just because we would not be in the customs union doesn't mean we are not going to accept goods from Europe on the same terms because we can.

I've never said that the negotation to leave would be easy ,the people negotating on the other side are unelected beurocrats who would be out of job if the eu crumbled ,Turkeys don't vote for Christmas .
The 27 to one mantra is also a tad dumb though ,a country has the right to its own sovreignty .It has been made clear in this process that we are all subject to the rule of law outside our nation by faceless men in suits .

We need Europe as much as Europe needs us ,if the Eu started a trade war Everyone would lose ,all of the EU economies are in trouble right now and a full blown recession would be bad for us all so if we did go for a hard Brexit which we should do they would simply have ease a solution in very quickly to prevent chaos .

It might surprise you to find that contrary to the media bollix that none of the people I know who voted Brexit have changed their minds in fact many who voted remain have seen the light and would back Brexit today so a second vote may not go the way they wanted it too in round 1 .

I also want to part of Europe but not in this club which has a mandate to further expand into countries with even dodgier economies !

[Gunner Rob]

Herd - I am sure drugs will still be able to be imported in the event of a no deal Brexit, but the point is that they would be DELAYED due to the extra customs checks required. Most of the food imports for example run on a "just in time" basis. There is no slack in the system for long delays.

The negotiations have shown that actually the EU doesnt need us as much as the Brexiteers thought that they did.
Remember just after the referendum there was the arrogance that the negotiations would be very easy. No one is saying that now are they ?

[nut flush gooner]

Reading Nut n Rob is like watching Dumb and Dumber ,Nut at least has half a brain but is impressed too much by the billions of pounds the remoaners have spent on propaganda since the Vote and is impressed with made up facts .
I fully appreciate that a lot of people don't want to leave the EU and that's fine ,it doesn't make you a bad person at all but the avalanche of bullshit and lies that we've had post the vote is too much for anyone to swallow .
The latest wheeze is the Drug shortage spoof . It might surprise you to learn Nut that the united Kingdom imports a lot of Goods including Drugs from outside the UK, amazing , who would have thought that eh ?
Goods travel with a manifest and , Bills of lading and other documentation ,and they tell the lil old customs men on their computers what they are .
Just because we would not be in the customs union doesn't mean we are not going to accept goods from Europe on the same terms because we can.

I've never said that the negotation to leave would be easy ,the people negotating on the other side are unelected beurocrats who would be out of job if the eu crumbled ,Turkeys don't vote for Christmas .
The 27 to one mantra is also a tad dumb though ,a country has the right to its own sovreignty .It has been made clear in this process that we are all subject to the rule of law outside our nation by faceless men in suits .

We need Europe as much as Europe needs us ,if the Eu started a trade war Everyone would lose ,all of the EU economies are in trouble right now and a full blown recession would be bad for us all so if we did go for a hard Brexit which we should do they would simply have ease a solution in very quickly to prevent chaos .

It might surprise you to find that contrary to the media bollix that none of the people I know who voted Brexit have changed their minds in fact many who voted remain have seen the light and would back Brexit today so a second vote may not go the way they wanted it too in round 1 .

I also want to part of Europe but not in this club which has a mandate to further expand into countries with even dodgier economies !

Herd, I am surprised you are still posting tbh. You said not two weeks ago that the vote would get passed with full support from Labour. You also said brexit wouldn't happen, well let's see if that prophecy comes true.

Sorry mate, just had to say that. I also trust what doctors have to say when it comes to sourcing specialised drugs. They aren't like smarties you know.



Remain would win another referendum comfortably, the youth vote would not be apathetic this time. I said before the people who have half an ounce of common sense with there being much more information out on the expected impact of Brexit, would think very hard about voting leave this time if not completely change their minds.

[Gunner Rob]

another referendum would still be very close because you have to take into account how thick people like Herd are who vote in these things.

this is where Remain went wrong in 2016 - the stupidity of the British people was overlooked.

[DB10GOONER]

Lads can we please cut out the personal insults and name calling. This thread (and a couple of you) have been reported a few times for that and tbh there is only so much of that shit we will deal with before locking or deleting it. We'd rather not lock or delete such a hugely important (if tedious) debate but you get the point.

Play nice.

[Herd]

Nut I didn't say that some Labour MP's would vote for it, I said I was worried they might ,it's not the same is it .
I still am worried ,since there hasn't been a vote neither of us know even now ,but I'm more relieved because now that they and we know more about the so called deal even Rob would have the sense to vote it down as the amendment votes have shown .
The situation is fluid and there are twists and turns yet to be seen I think .
Also Nut You've said plenty of things that aren't true on here ,but that doesn't stop your rubbish each time I shoot you down in flames you change the subject .
in fact you've said very little that makes any sense and your patronizing cut and paste style can be irritating to some but I shan't be reporting you or Rob to Teacher as you are entitled to your own opinion .
Im not so sure the 2nd referendum would see remain win but that's another subject however as I said over two years ago that the people who run this earth wouldn't let us leave or if we did it would be watered down as to be more or less the same and that's what's happening
BTW Many in the Eu admire us for the stance over Brexit so we are far from being a laughing stock !

[Sam.Harrison]

Theresa woah. Theresa woah. She comes from Maidenhead. She fucking hates the reds.

Double double double, Theresa May has won the double.

Just thought this was needed

[The Arsenal Way]

Rob.

Have you run out of toys to throw out of yer pram, snowflake?
Infamy, Infamy......they've all got it In For Me

You bleedin' remainers are a freakin' joke.
What kinda democracy are you seeking?
oh, not the Rothschild one per chance?

[augie]

The thing that always makes me laugh (although maybe it should worry me too ) is that anyone views boris johnson as anything near a proper politician - can you imagine letting him out to brussels to negotiate a brexit deal ?? For starters he would probably piss off every country he talks/negotiates with, but secondly he just strikes me as a stupid man

[The Arsenal Way]

The thing that always makes me laugh (although maybe it should worry me too ) is that anyone views boris johnson as anything near a proper politician - can you imagine letting him out to brussels to negotiate a brexit deal ?? For starters he would probably piss off every country he talks/negotiates with, but secondly he just strikes me as a stupid man

What are you doing posting here in the depths augie?
You're a lurker mate.
Why set yourself up to be attacked by the JCL's?

[Gunner Rob]

Rob.

Have you run out of toys to throw out of yer pram, snowflake?
Infamy, Infamy......they've all got it In For Me

You bleedin' remainers are a freakin' joke.
What kinda democracy are you seeking?
oh, not the Rothschild one per chance?

no toys needed today - been quite funny watching the hard Brexiteers finally implode

[augie]

The thing that always makes me laugh (although maybe it should worry me too ) is that anyone views boris johnson as anything near a proper politician - can you imagine letting him out to brussels to negotiate a brexit deal ?? For starters he would probably piss off every country he talks/negotiates with, but secondly he just strikes me as a stupid man

What are you doing posting here in the depths augie?
You're a lurker mate.
Why set yourself up to be attacked by the JCL's?

I obviously got lost

I suppose in reality this whole brexit debate is beginning to worry me and intrigue me - as an Irishman I obviously hope it doesnt happen, but at the same time I dont think that having a second referendum is fair cos people could have voted last time out and were too fcuking lazy to do so, so why should their voices be heard now ?
That being said, from the outside looking in, I absolutely believe that the brexit movement is being pushed (to a large degree) by xenophobia - tbh I can understand a certain amount of that cos I see how many "foreigners" are coming in to england every time I am over there, and the vast majority (but not all) contribute the square root of fcuk all to the country. For decades now Irish people have emigrated to countries far and wide, but the big difference is/was, that we were expected to blend in to the customs of the country in which we moved into, where as now these people come into a country pushing their habits and way of life and everyone is expected to adapt to them
I would also suggest that the brexiteers are using trump methods to further their argument too - I hear and read all the bullsh*t about the crime and behaviour issues that the migrants bring with them, and it would make you think that the "local people" are all angelic

I will say though, that I also dont understand the possible implications of the soft and hard brexit - maybe, despite all the comments/shouting etc, none of us know or will know until it kicks in. I also think that with trump and his mad b*stard ideas looming everywhere we look, this is not the right time to be splitting europe up

[nut flush gooner]

The thing that always makes me laugh (although maybe it should worry me too ) is that anyone views boris johnson as anything near a proper politician - can you imagine letting him out to brussels to negotiate a brexit deal ?? For starters he would probably piss off every country he talks/negotiates with, but secondly he just strikes me as a stupid man

What are you doing posting here in the depths augie?
You're a lurker mate.
Why set yourself up to be attacked by the JCL's?

I obviously got lost

I suppose in reality this whole brexit debate is beginning to worry me and intrigue me - as an Irishman I obviously hope it doesnt happen, but at the same time I dont think that having a second referendum is fair cos people could have voted last time out and were too fcuking lazy to do so, so why should their voices be heard now ?
That being said, from the outside looking in, I absolutely believe that the brexit movement is being pushed (to a large degree) by xenophobia - tbh I can understand a certain amount of that cos I see how many "foreigners" are coming in to england every time I am over there, and the vast majority (but not all) contribute the square root of fcuk all to the country. For decades now Irish people have emigrated to countries far and wide, but the big difference is/was, that we were expected to blend in to the customs of the country in which we moved into, where as now these people come into a country pushing their habits and way of life and everyone is expected to adapt to them
I would also suggest that the brexiteers are using trump methods to further their argument too - I hear and read all the bullsh*t about the crime and behaviour issues that the migrants bring with them, and it would make you think that the "local people" are all angelic

I will say though, that I also dont understand the possible implications of the soft and hard brexit - maybe, despite all the comments/shouting etc, none of us know or will know until it kicks in. I also think that with trump and his mad b*stard ideas looming everywhere we look, this is not the right time to be splitting europe up

JCL brexit contributor, thats a new one!

It’s good to hear an outside point of view, sometimes you can get sucked into antagonistic arguments fuelled by beliefs, worries and agendas. One thing I would say though, is if the Tories fuck up brexit the Irish will be affected more than any other country at a political and economic level.

If there was a 2nd referendum the turnout would be huge, its become that consuming that people want a conclusive end to all of this.

[augie]

The problem with the second referendum is that it gets the youth out of a hole, and I dont support that - today's youth are happy to sit back and expect everyone else to do the work for them and that isnt good enough imo. If they wanted to stay in the eu, then they needed to get off their arses and help make it happen, but too many chose not to do so and are asking for a second chance to influence this policy. I would always believe that a second vote on anything like this, should be restricted to those who made the effort to vote first time around, cos they were the only one's who cared enough in the first place.

Btw I absolutely agree that we (Ireland) will be hit harder than anyone else with a uk exit from eu - how badly hit will only be realised a year or so after it happens, but for sure it wont be good. I will say though that the economic hit might not be as hard, as the effect it has on the peace process - I have spoken to people from both sides of the border, and they are seriously concerned about how it will affect the peace up there. I do not understand why the unionists are allowed push their agenda this much without anyone pointing out to them that the voters in northern Ireland actually voted to remain in the eu

One thing I will absolutely say is that Ireland should have absolutely agressively pursued every big american/multi-national company based in the uk after the brexit vote was declared - there is already big talk of companies leaving the uk (a big car manufacturer announced something a few weeks ago) because of the tax issue (import and export duty), and we could have been a nice base for those companies. I think that it will only be after these companies bail out of the uk, will the effect of brexit hit home for those hardliners