Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[SteveO 35]

On Thursday morning I went to the Arsenal website thinking there might be some sort of apology after the result on Wednesday.

Instead the headline was Arteta getting nominated for October Manager of the month.
I give up

Don't be daft Rob. An apology would take humility and involve getting stuck into the players! He is full on Wenger - short of bemoaning "little bit accident" or "special circumstances" its the same bloke! Stubborn, arrogant, blames everything and everybody but his own self and players. They were fucking awful - rank arrogant on the back of beating the league's worst ever team and go lt their arses handed to them. You'll wait a long time for an apology from this tool. More waffle about "the standards" and that's about it

[OneBardGooner]

On Thursday morning I went to the Arsenal website thinking there might be some sort of apology after the result on Wednesday.

Instead the headline was Arteta getting nominated for October Manager of the month.
I give up

Don't be daft Rob. An apology would take humility and involve getting stuck into the players! He is full on Wenger - short of bemoaning "little bit accident" or "special circumstances" its the same bloke! Stubborn, arrogant, blames everything and everybody but his own self and players. They were fucking awful - rank arrogant on the back of beating the league's worst ever team and go lt their arses handed to them. You'll wait a long time for an apology from this tool. More waffle about "the standards" and that's about it

.... and the fuckin' "Project"

[SteveO 35]

End of the line

Sold Balogun, kept Eddie, signed Havertz, signed Vieira.

Going backwards. Be lucky to get top 4 now the lucky unbeaten run is over. I said we'd lose a few in a row and it's coming

[Gunner Rob]

End of the line

Sold Balogun, kept Eddie, signed Havertz, signed Vieira.

Going backwards. Be lucky to get top 4 now the lucky unbeaten run is over. I said we'd lose a few in a row and it's coming

Not really the night to criticise Arteta.
First time I’ve actually been proud of an Arsenal manager for nearly 20 years.

[SteveO 35]

End of the line

Sold Balogun, kept Eddie, signed Havertz, signed Vieira.

Going backwards. Be lucky to get top 4 now the lucky unbeaten run is over. I said we'd lose a few in a row and it's coming

Not really the night to criticise Arteta.
First time I’ve actually been proud of an Arsenal manager for nearly 20 years.

Glad that he spoke up, but not short sighted enough not to see the on field obvious issues

[DB10GOONER]

End of the line

Sold Balogun, kept Eddie, signed Havertz, signed Vieira.

Going backwards. Be lucky to get top 4 now the lucky unbeaten run is over. I said we'd lose a few in a row and it's coming

Careful mate, when I even suggested at the end of last season that we would not hit the same heights this season without serious investment - and also owing to the fact so many of the so called possible "top six" teams were off the pace due to whatever reason be it poor management or "transition periods" etc - I was told I was just being "negative" and had an "agenda".

I wasn't alone in those comments though, and others were actually verbally abused (augie springs to mind).

Being realistic or pragmatic is not being negative or having an agenda. It doesn't feel great to be proven right to some degree either I might add.

I felt Arteta had improved us somewhat last season, but qualified that with the above mentioned circumstances. But this season he has completely Wengered and we are way below even that standard. Yes its our first loss of the season but let's be honest we have been dire and quite lucky so far. I think that luck has now run out.

[SteveO 35]

End of the line

Sold Balogun, kept Eddie, signed Havertz, signed Vieira.

Going backwards. Be lucky to get top 4 now the lucky unbeaten run is over. I said we'd lose a few in a row and it's coming

Careful mate, when I even suggested at the end of last season that we would not hit the same heights this season without serious investment - and also owing to the fact so many of the so called possible "top six" teams were off the pace due to whatever reason be it poor management or "transition periods" etc - I was told I was just being "negative" and had an "agenda".

I wasn't alone in those comments though, and others were actually verbally abused (augie springs to mind).

Being realistic or pragmatic is not being negative or having an agenda. It doesn't feel great to be proven right to some degree either I might add.

I felt Arteta had improved us somewhat last season, but qualified that with the above mentioned circumstances. But this season he has completely Wengered and we are way below even that standard. Yes its our first loss of the season but let's be honest we have been dire and quite lucky so far. I think that luck has now run out.

He deserved the right to lead us through this season but with hundreds of millions invested if we're back to being a top 4 fringe team with one FA Cup every few years, then we might as well have stuck with There's Only One

When Unai went 22 games unbeaten there were many who said it included lucky games. Well we've got out of jail several times during this shit run. We were pathetic at Chelsea for almost the entire match, crap at home to the Scum, dead lucky against Man U, deflected goal against City, clinging on for dear life at home to Forest and scraping it at Goodison. Now we're out of the cup early doors and Lens proved we will still be as shit in Europe as were under Wenger

Havertz is copping a load of flak which I get but he's also left us without a left back who can defend, a make shift right back and criminally no proper centre forward...as well as creating an unwelcomed goalkeeping drama

I see what I see with my own eyes and call it out for what it is - regression

[Redarmy]

Respect to the guy and coming out and saying it how it is at his press conference.....needed saying

[augie]

Respect to the guy and coming out and saying it how it is at his press conference.....needed saying

Deflection is his mind as well ?

[arrgee]

Respect to the guy and coming out and saying it how it is at his press conference.....needed saying

Deflection is his mind as well ?

Raya should be hauled over the coals for his part in the goal. Easier to blame external forces.

[augie]

Respect to the guy and coming out and saying it how it is at his press conference.....needed saying

Deflection is his mind as well ?

Raya should be hauled over the coals for his part in the goal. Easier to blame external forces.

There is a lot wrong with this team that is going unmentioned - no doubt we were robbed yesterday, but we have been shit for much of this season and a large part of that falls at the managers feet cos he fcuked about the system that worked last season, and brought in shit players and weakened the team

[SteveO 35]

Respect to the guy and coming out and saying it how it is at his press conference.....needed saying

Deflection is his mind as well ?

Raya should be hauled over the coals for his part in the goal. Easier to blame external forces.

There is a lot wrong with this team that is going unmentioned - no doubt we were robbed yesterday, but we have been shit for much of this season and a large part of that falls at the managers feet cos he fcuked about the system that worked last season, and brought in shit players and weakened the team

The football has mostly been a shit watch this season hasn't it? This time last year it was a joy to watch. You can have bad luck - the VAR call on Saturday for sure, Timber's injury, but then you can have self inflicted problems and I see these all over the field. Some of them are ones that haven't been addresses from last year - no natural RB, Zinchenko's inability to defend properly, no proper centre forward, and some of them are newly created ones - trying to consistently accomodate Havertz, the goalkeeping debacle etc

However, what's very clear is that there are key problem areas all over the field - from GK to the front line - and because of that I think we are in for a long season

Like you, whilst I'm fuming at the VAR stuff, it doesn't disguise from the fact that at best we were heading for a pretty turgid 0-0 draw where both teams stank the place out. I moaned about the slow tippy tap shite 2-3 years back and believe he was a lucky boy to keep the job - the FA Cup saved his bacon for sure. I hoped we'd left that 1930s paced shit behind, but it has returned with a vengeance this season. The game at West Ham last week reminded me of an Ingerlund friendly from 20 years ago - random substiutions, no cohesion, and just a never ending exercise in passing slowly sideways and backwards whilst the other team kicked up their heels and just sat there waiting to catch us on the break.

After 4 years at the helm, I thought he would at the very least have a balanced squad i.e. two for every position, but we haven't. We've gone from 3 left backs for example - Zinchenko, Tierney and Nuno - to one (and one that is more of a midfielder and can't defend). He can argue Tomiyasu is a back up LB but we all know he isn't. Up front we are threadbare - again, we had a third option in Balogun, but we've cut that down to two, both of whom are really not the consistent answer to goal scoring problems

It very much reminds me of Wenger now. Always 1 or 2 players short in key positions, inexplicably and blindly sticking with certain favourite players, crumbling when the mental and physical pressure is applied, and ultimately just falling short all the time. Like Wenger there will be some great days of 4 or 5 goal drubbings when the party tricks come out, but in equal measure there will be away days played at a snail's pace with the "illusionary domination" type performance.

Welcome to 2010 - its happening again

[Redarmy]

Respect to the guy and coming out and saying it how it is at his press conference.....needed saying

Deflection is his mind as well ?

Raya should be hauled over the coals for his part in the goal. Easier to blame external forces.

Their goal should not have stood foul on gabriel..genrally they got away with murder ref was a wanker

Ah yes talking about the game we did nothing going forward....raya flapped for their goal ...defenders all stopped and put their hands up....should have done much better
only Saliba and Rice can come out with any credit...a 0-0 would have been a fair result

[Retro Gunner]

End of the line

Sold Balogun, kept Eddie, signed Havertz, signed Vieira.

Going backwards. Be lucky to get top 4 now the lucky unbeaten run is over. I said we'd lose a few in a row and it's coming

Careful mate, when I even suggested at the end of last season that we would not hit the same heights this season without serious investment - and also owing to the fact so many of the so called possible "top six" teams were off the pace due to whatever reason be it poor management or "transition periods" etc - I was told I was just being "negative" and had an "agenda".

I wasn't alone in those comments though, and others were actually verbally abused (augie springs to mind).

Being realistic or pragmatic is not being negative or having an agenda. It doesn't feel great to be proven right to some degree either I might add.

I felt Arteta had improved us somewhat last season, but qualified that with the above mentioned circumstances. But this season he has completely Wengered and we are way below even that standard. Yes its our first loss of the season but let's be honest we have been dire and quite lucky so far. I think that luck has now run out.

He deserved the right to lead us through this season but with hundreds of millions invested if we're back to being a top 4 fringe team with one FA Cup every few years, then we might as well have stuck with There's Only One

When Unai went 22 games unbeaten there were many who said it included lucky games. Well we've got out of jail several times during this shit run. We were pathetic at Chelsea for almost the entire match, crap at home to the Scum, dead lucky against Man U, deflected goal against City, clinging on for dear life at home to Forest and scraping it at Goodison. Now we're out of the cup early doors and Lens proved we will still be as shit in Europe as were under Wenger

Havertz is copping a load of flak which I get but he's also left us without a left back who can defend, a make shift right back and criminally no proper centre forward...as well as creating an unwelcomed goalkeeping drama

I see what I see with my own eyes and call it out for what it is - regression

Thanks boys, you've saved me a lot of typing. All absolutely spot on.

[Retro Gunner]

Respect to the guy and coming out and saying it how it is at his press conference.....needed saying

Deflection is his mind as well ?

Raya should be hauled over the coals for his part in the goal. Easier to blame external forces.

There is a lot wrong with this team that is going unmentioned - no doubt we were robbed yesterday, but we have been shit for much of this season and a large part of that falls at the managers feet cos he fcuked about the system that worked last season, and brought in shit players and weakened the team

The football has mostly been a shit watch this season hasn't it? This time last year it was a joy to watch. You can have bad luck - the VAR call on Saturday for sure, Timber's injury, but then you can have self inflicted problems and I see these all over the field. Some of them are ones that haven't been addresses from last year - no natural RB, Zinchenko's inability to defend properly, no proper centre forward, and some of them are newly created ones - trying to consistently accomodate Havertz, the goalkeeping debacle etc

However, what's very clear is that there are key problem areas all over the field - from GK to the front line - and because of that I think we are in for a long season

Like you, whilst I'm fuming at the VAR stuff, it doesn't disguise from the fact that at best we were heading for a pretty turgid 0-0 draw where both teams stank the place out. I moaned about the slow tippy tap shite 2-3 years back and believe he was a lucky boy to keep the job - the FA Cup saved his bacon for sure. I hoped we'd left that 1930s paced shit behind, but it has returned with a vengeance this season. The game at West Ham last week reminded me of an Ingerlund friendly from 20 years ago - random substiutions, no cohesion, and just a never ending exercise in passing slowly sideways and backwards whilst the other team kicked up their heels and just sat there waiting to catch us on the break.

After 4 years at the helm, I thought he would at the very least have a balanced squad i.e. two for every position, but we haven't. We've gone from 3 left backs for example - Zinchenko, Tierney and Nuno - to one (and one that is more of a midfielder and can't defend). He can argue Tomiyasu is a back up LB but we all know he isn't. Up front we are threadbare - again, we had a third option in Balogun, but we've cut that down to two, both of whom are really not the consistent answer to goal scoring problems

It very much reminds me of Wenger now. Always 1 or 2 players short in key positions, inexplicably and blindly sticking with certain favourite players, crumbling when the mental and physical pressure is applied, and ultimately just falling short all the time. Like Wenger there will be some great days of 4 or 5 goal drubbings when the party tricks come out, but in equal measure there will be away days played at a snail's pace with the "illusionary domination" type performance.

Welcome to 2010 - its happening again

^^^
100% this. A brilliant analysis of exactly where we are.

Dig in chaps and prepare for the Wenger Mkll ride. It ain't gonna improve.

After 4 years, this is entirely Arteta's team. The Kroenkes have backed him with fortunes and no fucking excuses are available. The very minimum requirement to keep his job ought to be a top three finish and a good run at the remaining cups, including a semi final spot in the CL. The reality is that we might scrape 4th or 5th (which is CL qualification so will no doubt save his skin), we'll throw the FA Cup and get embarrassed in the first or second CL knockout round. If that reality comes true, then he should be sacked on the day the season ends.