Kai Havertz

[A11M11]

He has to play there because he is the best we have at present. That does not mean that we don't need better , just that we have no real alternative and won't have until the next window.

[DB10GOONER]

He has to play every game between now and the end of the season at CF. OK, his decision making isn't always amazing but his movement is....and he creates so much more for the team than Jesus or Eddie. No other option for me - he has to play the last 4 games up top

Fully agree, we are better with him upfront than anyone else and he causes problems. I still think we can do far better but he's a good option, but I still fear he will miss a sitter that costs us big time. He fcked up numerous times in first half but made up for it. Just hope he does it at the toilet.

Agree 100% with you both. He certainly has a clanger in him and I too fear he will miss the sitter that could cost us dear but he offers more than Jesus and far far more than the Feather. Ultimately he is not good enough to be a starter in a team serious about winning the Title but he is our best option out of him, Jesus and the Feather.

[Retro Gunner]

He has to play every game between now and the end of the season at CF. OK, his decision making isn't always amazing but his movement is....and he creates so much more for the team than Jesus or Eddie. No other option for me - he has to play the last 4 games up top

Fully agree, we are better with him upfront than anyone else and he causes problems. I still think we can do far better but he's a good option, but I still fear he will miss a sitter that costs us big time. He fcked up numerous times in first half but made up for it. Just hope he does it at the toilet.

Agree 100% with you both. He certainly has a clanger in him and I too fear he will miss the sitter that could cost us dear but he offers more than Jesus and far far more than the Feather. Ultimately he is not good enough to be a starter in a team serious about winning the Title but he is our best option out of him, Jesus and the Feather.

Yep. Serious upgrade needed in the summer, but he’s ahead of the other two.

[Natural Born Gooner]

Hoping he scores in the next home game to wipe that Judas Manc rats RVP name from our record books.

[mcdowell42]

EXC: Arsenal expect Kai Havertz to be fit and firing to face Bournemouth on Oct 19. Understand he has been managing a minor knee issue since end of last season so the rest comes at a good time after intense few months. Report:

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[OneBardGooner]

EXC: Arsenal expect Kai Havertz to be fit and firing to face Bournemouth on Oct 19. Understand he has been managing a minor knee issue since end of last season so the rest comes at a good time after intense few months. Report:

#AFC @TheSunFootball

Okay so he is not a "Striker" or the Striker we definitely Need, but the more I see of him the more I like him. Unlike some players we have he Always puts in a shift and Never stops trying even when his game is not going well. And as has many have said we still need a proper Striker desperately, But he does what he can and he isn't afraid to mix it and dish out the elbows and other physical stuff. His goal against Soton was excellent, he had everything still to do and did it. I along with the majority on here was slagging off Arteta for buying him (instead of a Striker Proper) But dare I say it he is looking like a Very Good bit of Business.

[Retro Gunner]

Ok, I don't think Havertz is anywhere near the top quality striker we need and for me he's lacking technically and is very limited. I agree that he seems to put in the effort, but the level we're supposed to be competing at requires a lot more than effort. I'm not knocking effort, because i expect 100% from every bloke that pulls the shirt on, but we could sign players from League 2 that would give us that. We need a high level of quality on top of the effort and for me, Havertz doesn't have that.

I'll admit that he's improved, but fuck me, the level from him last season was atrocious, so we need to apply an objective yardstick, not a relative one. Still, I'm glad he's been scoring goals, but it worries me that Arteta will convince himself and many of our supporters, that Havertz is the answer we need, when in my opinion , he never will be.

I'd be careful if I were one of those on here who are coming to the conclusion that he's coming good, because I predict a lot of flip flopping at certain points this season. The mark of a top striker in my opinion, is the guy who scores from the opportunities where he's expected to score, because that's when the pressure's on. It's all well and good scoring a 25 yard screamer into the top corner, or some spectacular overhead kick, but that's no good if you miss the one on one chances and other clear cut opportunities. Nunez at Liverpool is an prime example and so is Havertz in my book. This place will light up when we lose a couple of games where Havertz misses a couple of golden chances in each of the matches.

[DB10GOONER]

Ok, I don't think Havertz is anywhere near the top quality striker we need and for me he's lacking technically and is very limited. I agree that he seems to put in the effort, but the level we're supposed to be competing at requires a lot more than effort. I'm not knocking effort, because i expect 100% from every bloke that pulls the shirt on, but we could sign players from League 2 that would give us that. We need a high level of quality on top of the effort and for me, Havertz doesn't have that.

I'll admit that he's improved, but fuck me, the level from him last season was atrocious, so we need to apply an objective yardstick, not a relative one. Still, I'm glad he's been scoring goals, but it worries me that Arteta will convince himself and many of our supporters, that Havertz is the answer we need, when in my opinion , he never will be.

I'd be careful if I were one of those on here who are coming to the conclusion that he's coming good, because I predict a lot of flip flopping at certain points this season. The mark of a top striker in my opinion, is the guy who scores from the opportunities where he's expected to score, because that's when the pressure's on. It's all well and good scoring a 25 yard screamer into the top corner, or some spectacular overhead kick, but that's no good if you miss the one on one chances and other clear cut opportunities. Nunez at Liverpool is an prime example and so is Havertz in my book. This place will light up when we lose a couple of games where Havertz misses a couple of golden chances in each of the matches.

Agreed. The quantity of goals wins a game, not the quality. I remember seeing an interview with Merse years ago while he was playing and the interviewer was kissing his ass saying he scored some beautiful goals and Merse replied with something like "yeah that's all well and good but I'd rather score 5 tap ins instead of one screamer". That always stuck with me.

I like Havertz's attitude, he reminds me of Wrighty for getting under the skin of oppo defenders and he does put in a shift. But we need a striker that hits minimum 20 PL goals a season and Havertz is not that and I'd be very surprised if he ever becomes that.

Still, I'm enjoying this run of wins and hopefully it continues.

[TeeCee]

Havertz misses chances but he's also scoring well anyway. The thing is, his movement, positioning and effort are superb and he keeps getting chances because of that 20 goal involvements in 21 games now I think, 6 goals in 10 games this season. I think the guy is underrated by most.
He carries a Chelsea 'tax', ie: we hated him from the start because he's ex-Chavs but he's got end product and quite frankly, he makes us tick when he plays as a 9 and when he's not there, we are shit!
He could end up as our top scorer this season I think.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Havertz misses chances but he's also scoring well anyway. The thing is, his movement, positioning and effort are superb and he keeps getting chances because of that 20 goal involvements in 21 games now I think, 6 goals in 10 games this season. I think the guy is underrated by most.
He carries a Chelsea 'tax', ie: we hated him from the start because he's ex-Chavs but he's got end product and quite frankly, he makes us tick when he plays as a 9 and when he's not there, we are shit!
He could end up as our top scorer this season I think.

Agree with this, he does a lot of the Donkey work, unsettles defenders, is obviously strong and that's why he wins most of his duels to move us up the pitch.

I didn't want him at the start but I do think he's getting better all the time, sure he will miss chances, what striker doesn't.

Anyhow we'll see at the end of the season (judge him in may ), I agree with you that he will get 20 plus goals this season, he'd fucking better now that I've backed him on here

[Retro Gunner]

Havertz misses chances but he's also scoring well anyway. The thing is, his movement, positioning and effort are superb and he keeps getting chances because of that 20 goal involvements in 21 games now I think, 6 goals in 10 games this season. I think the guy is underrated by most.
He carries a Chelsea 'tax', ie: we hated him from the start because he's ex-Chavs but he's got end product and quite frankly, he makes us tick when he plays as a 9 and when he's not there, we are shit!
He could end up as our top scorer this season I think.

Agree with this, he does a lot of the Donkey work, unsettles defenders, is obviously strong and that's why he wins most of his duels to move us up the pitch.

I didn't want him at the start but I do think he's getting better all the time, sure he will miss chances, what striker doesn't.

Anyhow we'll see at the end of the season (judge him in may ), I agree with you that he will get 20 plus goals this season, he'd fucking better now that I've backed him on here

That needs to be 20 league goals Lefty.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Havertz misses chances but he's also scoring well anyway. The thing is, his movement, positioning and effort are superb and he keeps getting chances because of that 20 goal involvements in 21 games now I think, 6 goals in 10 games this season. I think the guy is underrated by most.
He carries a Chelsea 'tax', ie: we hated him from the start because he's ex-Chavs but he's got end product and quite frankly, he makes us tick when he plays as a 9 and when he's not there, we are shit!
He could end up as our top scorer this season I think.

Agree with this, he does a lot of the Donkey work, unsettles defenders, is obviously strong and that's why he wins most of his duels to move us up the pitch.

I didn't want him at the start but I do think he's getting better all the time, sure he will miss chances, what striker doesn't.

Anyhow we'll see at the end of the season (judge him in may ), I agree with you that he will get 20 plus goals this season, he'd fucking better now that I've backed him on here

That needs to be 20 league goals Lefty.

I was actually waiting for this to be questioned

It's why I left it ambiguous, now I've been asked I will stand by my belief he will get 20 league goals

[OneBardGooner]

I agree Lefty

I'm amazed he still has his nay sayers. He wasn't bought as a Striker, but a forward-to-midfield-link-up and he is doing it brilliantly!

He enjoys the shit housery stuff and is always chasing back to defend, also good at heading the ball away when oppo's have a corner or free-kick.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Won MOTM last night, for some reason.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Havertz misses chances but he's also scoring well anyway. The thing is, his movement, positioning and effort are superb and he keeps getting chances because of that 20 goal involvements in 21 games now I think, 6 goals in 10 games this season. I think the guy is underrated by most.
He carries a Chelsea 'tax', ie: we hated him from the start because he's ex-Chavs but he's got end product and quite frankly, he makes us tick when he plays as a 9 and when he's not there, we are shit!
He could end up as our top scorer this season I think.

Agree with this, he does a lot of the Donkey work, unsettles defenders, is obviously strong and that's why he wins most of his duels to move us up the pitch.

I didn't want him at the start but I do think he's getting better all the time, sure he will miss chances, what striker doesn't.

Anyhow we'll see at the end of the season (judge him in may ), I agree with you that he will get 20 plus goals this season, he'd fucking better now that I've backed him on here

That needs to be 20 league goals Lefty.

I was actually waiting for this to be questioned

It's why I left it ambiguous, now I've been asked I will stand by my belief he will get 20 league goals

Tbf to this prediction I didn't account for the fact that he'd develop cataracts in the interim