THE WENGER THREAD

[LDB]

Just a question.....

IF Wenger went into the transfer market and bought all the players we need (I know highly unlikely but IF) and went on to win the PL would everyone who wants him to resign now be in favour of him signing a contract extension at the end of the 2013/2014 season.

Anyhow just a question.....

Good question but for me no. I hate Wenger so much now that I don't think anything he does from this point on can change that. He'd have to rescue me from drowning or something ... but football wise I don't think its possible he can make me respect him again like I used to and want him to stay.

There is also damage he has done that cannot be repaired.

One of my Arsenal mates reckons next time we win something (and we will one day) it will feel better than ever ... but I'm not so sure. The last time we won a trophy (and all the times before that) I loved the players, the manager and ALL of our supporters. I don't feel that way about any of them anymore so I don't know how its gonna feel. I still want something, but I fear Wenger's smug grin and that annoying 'I told you so' smirk tainting it. Not to mention the AKB's who will say they've been proved right ... even though they have already been proved wrong!

One of the silliest posts ever on this board and that I'm the first person to pull up on it speaks volumes about some of the attitudes around here. It's really sad that you'd rather be proven right then see your club be successful, if we ever reach the top again I'd invite Arsene and Ivan round my house to scream 'I told you so' in my face for hours on end while we enjoy a nice BBQ. Same for any of the fans who have never doubted the manager.

It's my firm belief that Wenger's best days are behind him but he' still a manager that more often then not gets the best out of his players. He is no longer one of the best managers in world football but he is far from the worst. I can't stand the way he fails to impart the same attitude in the players to win cup games as he clearly does to achieve league consistency but to hate him even if he delivers success again is just a poor mentality I'm afraid.

My God man - where did I say I would RATHER be proven right ?

I said the reaction to Wenger winning something (from both him and his supporters) would somewhat taint the victory for me. This is NOT the same as saying I wouldn't want us to win something.

But for me things like the divide in our support and the fact that I do not have the same affection for the players or manager I used to have will not make our next trophy (if it comes under Wenger) as, or more, enjoyable than the 14 I have seen in my lifetime! My mate said for him it would be more special.

I do question how long Wenger gets to fail before his critics are proven right though! Hasnt 8 years of sod all already been failure? Or can you go say 15 years with nothing - then win something in the 16th year - and then suddenly that 15 years of failure is wiped out and the critics are forced to eat their words? Doesnt work like that for me!

The last 8 years of failure are set in stone and forever in the record books as far as I'm concerned. One or two trophies from Wenger at the end of his reign will not change how I view him.

You said that even if Wenger wins the PL you would still want him out. How ever you try and paint it to me that makes you less then 100% interested in the success of Arsenal and just another form of bigot no different to someone who will never question anything that lord arsene does.

[Clash]

Just a question.....

IF Wenger went into the transfer market and bought all the players we need (I know highly unlikely but IF) and went on to win the PL would everyone who wants him to resign now be in favour of him signing a contract extension at the end of the 2013/2014 season.

Anyhow just a question.....

Good question but for me no. I hate Wenger so much now that I don't think anything he does from this point on can change that. He'd have to rescue me from drowning or something ... but football wise I don't think its possible he can make me respect him again like I used to and want him to stay.

There is also damage he has done that cannot be repaired.

One of my Arsenal mates reckons next time we win something (and we will one day) it will feel better than ever ... but I'm not so sure. The last time we won a trophy (and all the times before that) I loved the players, the manager and ALL of our supporters. I don't feel that way about any of them anymore so I don't know how its gonna feel. I still want something, but I fear Wenger's smug grin and that annoying 'I told you so' smirk tainting it. Not to mention the AKB's who will say they've been proved right ... even though they have already been proved wrong!

One of the silliest posts ever on this board and that I'm the first person to pull up on it speaks volumes about some of the attitudes around here. It's really sad that you'd rather be proven right then see your club be successful, if we ever reach the top again I'd invite Arsene and Ivan round my house to scream 'I told you so' in my face for hours on end while we enjoy a nice BBQ. Same for any of the fans who have never doubted the manager.

It's my firm belief that Wenger's best days are behind him but he' still a manager that more often then not gets the best out of his players. He is no longer one of the best managers in world football but he is far from the worst. I can't stand the way he fails to impart the same attitude in the players to win cup games as he clearly does to achieve league consistency but to hate him even if he delivers success again is just a poor mentality I'm afraid.

My God man - where did I say I would RATHER be proven right ?

I said the reaction to Wenger winning something (from both him and his supporters) would somewhat taint the victory for me. This is NOT the same as saying I wouldn't want us to win something.

But for me things like the divide in our support and the fact that I do not have the same affection for the players or manager I used to have will not make our next trophy (if it comes under Wenger) as, or more, enjoyable than the 14 I have seen in my lifetime! My mate said for him it would be more special.

I do question how long Wenger gets to fail before his critics are proven right though! Hasnt 8 years of sod all already been failure? Or can you go say 15 years with nothing - then win something in the 16th year - and then suddenly that 15 years of failure is wiped out and the critics are forced to eat their words? Doesnt work like that for me!

The last 8 years of failure are set in stone and forever in the record books as far as I'm concerned. One or two trophies from Wenger at the end of his reign will not change how I view him.

You said that even if Wenger wins the PL you would still want him out. How ever you try and paint it to me that makes you less then 100% interested in the success of Arsenal and just another form of bigot no different to someone who will never question anything that lord arsene does.

I admit that the day he leaves cannot come soon enough for me and if by some miracle we were to win the title again under Wenger, yes I would still want him out because a title win wouldnt be enough to cancel out the numerous reasons I cant wait to see the back of him. I fail to see how that makes me a bigot. I think it just shows that Im not as fickle as others are. We're all different.

Anyway we are both wasting each others time discussing an answer to a a hypothetical question about something that isn't going to happen so might have to just draw a line under this one.

[Chippy]

Can I just point out how stupid this convo is. Wenker is never going to win anything again, apart from the occasional 4th place trophy. Anyone notice that the manager who just won the Bundesliga and the Champions League was sacked before about 5 months ago cos he was too old!

[Steve_I]

what odds will someone give me against us winnining another trophy under Arsene?

[northbank123]

what odds will someone give me against us winnining another trophy under Arsene?

2/1 (League Cup upwards)

[Steve_I]

what odds will someone give me against us winnining another trophy under Arsene?

2/1 (League Cup upwards)

Seems fair enough. a tenner on that if I may.

[SteveO 35]

For someone that earns his living writing about it, Patrick Barclay really hasn’t got a fucking Scooby about football. Klopp reminds him of Wenger? Young players flourish under his wing? Our youth set up is a fucking joke under Wenger – producing loanees for Palace and Colchester. And Klopp is determined to keep his best player? Wenger sold ours! Klopp does tactics, Wenger likes the mixed green and orange ones!! Where’s the fucking similarity Barclay you plank!

ONE PATRICK BARCLAY.......THERE'S ONLY ONE PATRICK BARCLAY



Paddy has agreed to serve the bangers up at the BBQ

[Tomáš]

Great Interview with Nick Hornby
http://www.zeit.de/sport/2013-05/interv ... ll-arsenal
somebody has to translate it..I'm too pissed have been on a Gig..great Band!
http://jonasandthemassiveattraction.com/

Cheers,
Thomas

[augie]

Reads as being verp pc to me with all this "we love germans" ethos Personally I dont feel that Arsenal fans have any issue's with germans but imo hornby is trying too hard to convey that message like he is defensive when really there is no need to be

[DB10GOONER]

For someone that earns his living writing about it, Patrick Barclay really hasn’t got a fucking Scooby about football. Klopp reminds him of Wenger? Young players flourish under his wing? Our youth set up is a fucking joke under Wenger – producing loanees for Palace and Colchester. And Klopp is determined to keep his best player? Wenger sold ours! Klopp does tactics, Wenger likes the mixed green and orange ones!! Where’s the fucking similarity Barclay you plank!

ONE PATRICK BARCLAY.......THERE'S ONLY ONE PATRICK BARCLAY



Paddy has agreed to serve the bangers up at the BBQ

Make sure you don't let him bring his own "mayo".

[SteveO 35]

For someone that earns his living writing about it, Patrick Barclay really hasn’t got a fucking Scooby about football. Klopp reminds him of Wenger? Young players flourish under his wing? Our youth set up is a fucking joke under Wenger – producing loanees for Palace and Colchester. And Klopp is determined to keep his best player? Wenger sold ours! Klopp does tactics, Wenger likes the mixed green and orange ones!! Where’s the fucking similarity Barclay you plank!

ONE PATRICK BARCLAY.......THERE'S ONLY ONE PATRICK BARCLAY



Paddy has agreed to serve the bangers up at the BBQ

Make sure you don't let him bring his own "mayo".

I think all his mayo was used up when the final whistle went at St James's mate

[arseofacrow]

For someone that earns his living writing about it, Patrick Barclay really hasn’t got a fucking Scooby about football. Klopp reminds him of Wenger? Young players flourish under his wing? Our youth set up is a fucking joke under Wenger – producing loanees for Palace and Colchester. And Klopp is determined to keep his best player? Wenger sold ours! Klopp does tactics, Wenger likes the mixed green and orange ones!! Where’s the fucking similarity Barclay you plank!

ONE PATRICK BARCLAY.......THERE'S ONLY ONE PATRICK BARCLAY



Paddy has agreed to serve the bangers up at the BBQ

Make sure you don't let him bring his own "mayo".

I think all his mayo was used up when the final whistle went at St James's mate

Will you come to my "Diaby farewell" fondue steveo?

[Swifty]

With the resources he works with Wenger has been amazingly consistent. I think we have just been spoilt by a period when we had an incredible team. I bet if, prior to Wenger's arrival, someone said we will get you a manager that will deliver a ubstantial nuimber of trophys, keep us in at least the top 4 for 16 years or so and ensure we are not only in the Champions League but also make the knockout rounds more than any other club in Europe there would be NO ONE saying hmmmmm let me thing about it.
The stadium itself is another fantastic legacy and the financial state of the club now has us set up for generations.

I think sometimes our fans are too blinkered by the 2000s and need to remember the 70s, 80s and 90s - although it is also quite apparent many current fans werent around for those periods - not their fault but certainly taints there views.
Personally, I'd keep Wenger until he wants to leave - you watch United fall back to earth now SAF is gone - mark my words.

[Natural Born Gooner]

With the resources he works with Wenger has been amazingly consistent. I think we have just been spoilt by a period when we had an incredible team. I bet if, prior to Wenger's arrival, someone said we will get you a manager that will deliver a ubstantial nuimber of trophys, keep us in at least the top 4 for 16 years or so and ensure we are not only in the Champions League but also make the knockout rounds more than any other club in Europe there would be NO ONE saying hmmmmm let me thing about it.
The stadium itself is another fantastic legacy and the financial state of the club now has us set up for generations.

I think sometimes our fans are too blinkered by the 2000s and need to remember the 70s, 80s and 90s - although it is also quite apparent many current fans werent around for those periods - not their fault but certainly taints there views.
Personally, I'd keep Wenger until he wants to leave - you watch United fall back to earth now SAF is gone - mark my words.

Well there you have it folks. Lets all forget about the last 5/6 years of piss taking, charging sky high ticket pricing, tactical ineptitude and selling our best player and not replacing them.

May as well close this thread

[Swifty]

With the resources he works with Wenger has been amazingly consistent. I think we have just been spoilt by a period when we had an incredible team. I bet if, prior to Wenger's arrival, someone said we will get you a manager that will deliver a ubstantial nuimber of trophys, keep us in at least the top 4 for 16 years or so and ensure we are not only in the Champions League but also make the knockout rounds more than any other club in Europe there would be NO ONE saying hmmmmm let me thing about it.
The stadium itself is another fantastic legacy and the financial state of the club now has us set up for generations.

I think sometimes our fans are too blinkered by the 2000s and need to remember the 70s, 80s and 90s - although it is also quite apparent many current fans werent around for those periods - not their fault but certainly taints there views.
Personally, I'd keep Wenger until he wants to leave - you watch United fall back to earth now SAF is gone - mark my words.

Well there you have it folks. Lets all forget about the last 5/6 years of piss taking, charging sky high ticket pricing, tactical ineptitude and selling our best player and not replacing them.

May as well close this thread

If you only want 'Against' comments then the thread has the wrong title......