Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Gunner Rob]

I’ve not known quite what to make of Arteta as manager of the club, deep down I have known since his first season in charge that he is not up to it. Way back in February 2020 I saw Olympiakos humiliate us at the Emirates to knock us out of the Europa League. I could never quite get behind him after seeing that at first hand, and his complete inability to make in game substitutions. But, but, but he has got the team up there seemingly challenging for the title, 2 seasons in a row. It’s hard to knock that totally.

However last night finally convinced me that he really isn’t up to the job, and will never be winning us trophies. Last night was nearly FOUR years after that Olympiakos defeat and the performance was just as bad, if not worse. As a club we probably now have the worst attacking options since the Don Howe era in the 1980s. Who our top scorer will be this season I have no idea but whoever it is might break records. Top scorer in 1982 was Alan Sunderland with 12 goals, in 1976 it was Brian Kidd with 11 goals. we go into the new year with Bukayo Saka top scorer with just 5 goals. For us not to have signed a striker this summer was one of the worst decisions I have ever seen at the club.

I still maintain in defence he has been unlucky - Salba and Gabriel are a good pairing, Timber was a good signing, and we have been unlucky to lose Tomiyasu to injury. Rice has also proved to be a good signing, so it’s not all bad. However to kick on from here needs a better manager. Thanks for kicking us on slightly Mikel, but please now leave, because you can’t take us any further forward.

[Retro Gunner]

Good post Rob.

I think too many people overlook the points that you make. It's easy to think that it's still early days for Arteta and that he's still getting his "process" in place, but he's been at the club for four years and the Kroenkes have given him fortunes to spend (and waste) in that time.

Given the time and money that he's had, who can honestly say that he's moved us on sufficiently from the team that the inherited? There was some improvement, but nothing to make us into serious contenders at the top level and I have the feeling that it's all about to start slipping in the wrong direction. It would never surprise me to see us end up 4th or 5th this season and if we don't it will be due to us being buoyed by the poor sides in the mix.

I seriously hate losing to West Ham, but I'm not just knee jerking, as I've had no faith in Arteta and his side for too long.

[Redarmy]

FFS to win football matches you have to score goals...we havnt got a goal scorer...fuck alll the inverted left back and invisible No9 shite

sign a goal scorer ASAP

[Retro Gunner]

FFS to win football matches you have to score goals...we havnt got a goal scorer...fuck alll the inverted left back and invisible No9 shite

sign a goal scorer ASAP

Unfortunately Red, I don't think Lego Head is listening.

Just like Wenger, he won't be told.

[BFG4]

Our shit show up front can all be traced back to the 2nd half of the 21/22 season when it was obvious that Lacazette was finished( and was halfways out the door) and rather than scout out a proper replacement, Arteta instead chased after championship Eddie to convince him to stay at the club. Then he proceeds to get Jesus from City that summer, when a quick Google search could have told him that the most goals Jesus has ever scored In a league season is 14, Giroudesque
We could have got a proper striker in and had a decent back up but no we get a dud from City and keep championship Eddie, sometimes the answer is incompetence.

[Nick Nack]

The other elephant in the room is can you trust Wiggy & Son to make the right decisions? Experience suggests otherwise.
The Old Fraud should have been sacked at least 5 years before they decided to give him the tin tack, but winning the 3 FA cups saved his boney arsehole.
Then they was within a gnats cock of signing Diet Pep to replace him, but bottled it due to too much fan nervousness.
I believe that they always wanted Diet Pep in place, so when the wheels fell off for Emery due to too many c.unts in the dressing room, they jumped at the chance.... to put a fucking novice in charge of the Arsenal

[Gunner Rob]

In hindsight it would have been better to bring in Arteta in the first place and then replaced with Emery (now he has learnt English)

[DB10GOONER]

I keep reading about how teams stop Arsenal..... Double up on our wingers, deep block etc etc.

Then I think about Arteta saying he wanted us to be unpredictable..... And yet the way he plays/teams he picks/formations he uses are 100% predictable!!

How about playing Martinelli central and telling Jesus to stay wide left? How about playing Saka as the left 8? You know, don't do EXACTLY the same thing game after game after game ..... How would teams react after spending all week planning on how to stop Saka/Martinelli wide and the game starts with them in completely different positions!? Yeah, let them double up on n Jesus or Trossard....but be unpredictable for fucks sake, don't take short corners instead of long and think that you're 'mixing things up'
Fucking drop Zinchenko, it's NOT WORKING!!!! Give Kiwior a run of half a dozen games, play Saka as a left 8, mix it up because we are not playing well game after game.

When he said "unpredictable", I think he meant in relation to which keeper was the number one, and in relation to what a goal scoring striker actually is. I also think the word he meant to use was "confused".

[DB10GOONER]

The other elephant in the room is can you trust Wiggy & Son to make the right decisions? Experience suggests otherwise.
The Old Fraud should have been sacked at least 5 years before they decided to give him the tin tack, but winning the 3 FA cups saved his boney arsehole.
Then they was within a gnats cock of signing Diet Pep to replace him, but bottled it due to too much fan nervousness.
I believe that they always wanted Diet Pep in place, so when the wheels fell off for Emery due to too many c.unts in the dressing room, they jumped at the chance.... to put a fucking novice in charge of the Arsenal

We are on the same wave length my brother from another mother!

I always said Wenger was not the main problem at the club, he was only a symptom of the failings of the owners. A terrible shit smeared symptom in those final ten years, but still only a symptom. The real disease was the owners. And after they finally got the balls to sack him, and then sacked Emery, what did they do? They appointed a fucking novice and gave him hundreds of millions to spend. Its fucking mental. I would not trust Wiggy Raccoon Features and his weekend gimp son to mind a puppy overnight.

[falkirk goon]

The other elephant in the room is can you trust Wiggy & Son to make the right decisions? Experience suggests otherwise.
The Old Fraud should have been sacked at least 5 years before they decided to give him the tin tack, but winning the 3 FA cups saved his boney arsehole.
Then they was within a gnats cock of signing Diet Pep to replace him, but bottled it due to too much fan nervousness.
I believe that they always wanted Diet Pep in place, so when the wheels fell off for Emery due to too many c.unts in the dressing room, they jumped at the chance.... to put a fucking novice in charge of the Arsenal

We are on the same wave length my brother from another mother!

I always said Wenger was not the main problem at the club, he was only a symptom of the failings of the owners. A terrible shit smeared symptom in those final ten years, but still only a symptom. The real disease was the owners. And after they finally got the balls to sack him, and then sacked Emery, what did they do? They appointed a fucking novice and gave him hundreds of millions to spend. Its fucking mental. I would not trust Wiggy Raccoon Features and his weekend gimp son to mind a puppy overnight.

Weekend gimp son

[OneBardGooner]

Difficult to argue with those posts: Gunner Rob, Retro, BFG4 and Nick Nack.. To me I have noticed that the further he goes on managing the team the more obvious and pronounced his Arrogance becomes, he has also starting talking Bollocks Philosophy (if it can be called that) when trying to explain away his decisions.

Yes, losing Timber was a major dent in his plans etc... BUT to not have a (Proven) Striker and expect to Win The Prem is Ludicrous, I mean anyone would think he was pep gaurdiola FFS


And when I see what De Zerbi is accomplishing with lesser players (especially when his best players have been sold) I know who I would prefer as our manager; not gonna happen of course with Arteta having recently penned a New Contract till 2027

[Retro Gunner]

Difficult to argue with those posts: Gunner Rob, Retro, BFG4 and Nick Nack.. To me I have noticed that the further he goes on managing the team the more obvious and pronounced his Arrogance becomes, he has also starting talking Bollocks Philosophy (if it can be called that) when trying to explain away his decisions.

Yes, losing Timber was a major dent in his plans etc... BUT to not have a (Proven) Striker and expect to Win The Prem is Ludicrous, I mean anyone would think he was pep gaurdiola FFS


And when I see what De Zerbi is accomplishing with lesser players (especially when his best players have been sold) I know who I would prefer as our manager; not gonna happen of course with Arteta having recently penned a New Contract till 2027

Has that actually happened OB? I think Stuart mentioned it on here a little while back, but I didn't know if it had happened. I hope not.

[OneBardGooner]

Can't find the links now, but read it in three separate (credible) places; one of them the Beeb, the other was from The Guardian I think?... Will re-trace my steps and see if I can find them. I thought it was not good news when I saw it.

[Stuart L (2)]

Can't find the links now, but read it in three separate (credible) places; one of them the Beeb, the other was from The Guardian I think?... Will re-trace my steps and see if I can find them. I thought it was not good news when I saw it.

Don’t think it has officially been announced on .com or anywhere yet

[OneBardGooner]

I think it's just a matter of timing mate.