And touch, close control and quick feet.DB10GOONER wrote:Cazorla is a lovely passer of the ball. Just the right weight and placement in front of a runner or to feet of someone holding. Unfortunately, it is starting to look a bit like that is all he has in his game.
The worrying thing is, after a promising few opening games, he has now had more poor games than good ones, almost "Reyesque" maybe it's the weather, but I fear maybe he has flattered to deceive.LDB wrote:And touch, close control and quick feet.DB10GOONER wrote:Cazorla is a lovely passer of the ball. Just the right weight and placement in front of a runner or to feet of someone holding. Unfortunately, it is starting to look a bit like that is all he has in his game.
You're making him sound like tom huddlestone. Agreed yesterday wasn't his best game but even on his bad days he's involved in every good thing we do. Take him out of this team and a top half finish will become the new VT.
call me an arse but i started a thread a couple of weeks back saying wilshire,carzola and arteta wasnt working for whatever reason.maybe the problem is cazorla,maybe the great abou should get a run in the team and cazorla rested for a few games,he looks insipid and ineffective now,he's created nothing in weeks and weeks.Jacks proping up the middle on his own,he needs help and cazorla isnt offering any,i dont know,i fucking give upgoonersid wrote:The worrying thing is, after a promising few opening games, he has now had more poor games than good ones, almost "Reyesque" maybe it's the weather, but I fear maybe he has flattered to deceive.LDB wrote:And touch, close control and quick feet.DB10GOONER wrote:Cazorla is a lovely passer of the ball. Just the right weight and placement in front of a runner or to feet of someone holding. Unfortunately, it is starting to look a bit like that is all he has in his game.
You're making him sound like tom huddlestone. Agreed yesterday wasn't his best game but even on his bad days he's involved in every good thing we do. Take him out of this team and a top half finish will become the new VT.
But it wasn't THE goal-scoring chance. Imagine if Tevez wasn't there and Szczesny punched the ball out and somebody volleyed wide from 20 yards - it would still be a goalscoring chance but it would be absurd to let Koscielny off the red card just because somebody was able to have a pop at goal.Bradywasking wrote:No question about the penalty and red card, I missed it first time as a lot of people did and he waited to see if they would score anyway before giving it.
Does the fact that Dean waited to see if they scored (Tevez header) before giving the penalty mean that a goal scoring chance was not taken from City. If so penalty yes but red card doubtful...The red card isn't for the foul but for depriving the goal scoring chance. City's first goal came after Dean tried to play an advantage , but in fact he did play the advantage and the City player misplaced his pass before Dean called it back. I'm not making excuses for yesterday , in reality I'm gone beyond caring about it. I looked up the advantage law and am no wiser.
I said the same thing on Jack's return, it actually seems to have weakened the midfield, maybe this is why Carzola has dropped off the pace.markyp wrote:call me an arse but i started a thread a couple of weeks back saying wilshire,carzola and arteta wasnt working for whatever reason.maybe the problem is cazorla,maybe the great abou should get a run in the team and cazorla rested for a few games,he looks insipid and ineffective now,he's created nothing in weeks and weeks.Jacks proping up the middle on his own,he needs help and cazorla isnt offering any,i dont know,i fucking give upgoonersid wrote:The worrying thing is, after a promising few opening games, he has now had more poor games than good ones, almost "Reyesque" maybe it's the weather, but I fear maybe he has flattered to deceive.LDB wrote:And touch, close control and quick feet.DB10GOONER wrote:Cazorla is a lovely passer of the ball. Just the right weight and placement in front of a runner or to feet of someone holding. Unfortunately, it is starting to look a bit like that is all he has in his game.
You're making him sound like tom huddlestone. Agreed yesterday wasn't his best game but even on his bad days he's involved in every good thing we do. Take him out of this team and a top half finish will become the new VT.
Dean's performance yesterday was almost as bad as ours!northbank123 wrote:But it wasn't THE goal-scoring chance. Imagine if Tevez wasn't there and Szczesny punched the ball out and somebody volleyed wide from 20 yards - it would still be a goalscoring chance but it would be absurd to let Koscielny off the red card just because somebody was able to have a pop at goal.Bradywasking wrote:No question about the penalty and red card, I missed it first time as a lot of people did and he waited to see if they would score anyway before giving it.
Does the fact that Dean waited to see if they scored (Tevez header) before giving the penalty mean that a goal scoring chance was not taken from City. If so penalty yes but red card doubtful...The red card isn't for the foul but for depriving the goal scoring chance. City's first goal came after Dean tried to play an advantage , but in fact he did play the advantage and the City player misplaced his pass before Dean called it back. I'm not making excuses for yesterday , in reality I'm gone beyond caring about it. I looked up the advantage law and am no wiser.
The free-kick for the first goal was soft (although it should have been too far out to matter). As I saw it the bloke got straight back up and had acres of time on the ball to pick out his pass as if he hadn't been fouled in the first place, there was his advantage. He wasted it, he wasn't deprived of it.
Yeah... it might sound harsh, and don't get me wrong, I think he is a quality player and maybe I didn't explain my point clearly. But I just don't think he has offered much in the last few weeks, not just yesterday. Part of it may be that our "system" (for what it is!LDB wrote:And touch, close control and quick feet.DB10GOONER wrote:Cazorla is a lovely passer of the ball. Just the right weight and placement in front of a runner or to feet of someone holding. Unfortunately, it is starting to look a bit like that is all he has in his game.
You're making him sound like tom huddlestone. Agreed yesterday wasn't his best game but even on his bad days he's involved in every good thing we do. Take him out of this team and a top half finish will become the new VT.
) doesn't suit him. We effectively have 5 in midfield most games, the oppo often have 5 in there too and Cazorla seems to drift out of games when he has no space. The Norwich game in particular stands out as the moment we were "caught out" regarding Santi, so to speak. Norwich compressed their back 4 up tight to the midfield and Cazorla was reduced to being a spectator - he was dropping deeper and deeper to try and get the ball and was effectively nullified. They had watched him, and they adapted their system to nullify him. And it worked. I know! A manager with an idea about tactics!! Mental, huh? 
Inspector Clue LessDB10GOONER wrote:Yeah... it might sound harsh, and don't get me wrong, I think he is a quality player and maybe I didn't explain my point clearly. But I just don't think he has offered much in the last few weeks, not just yesterday. Part of it may be that our "system" (for what it is!LDB wrote:And touch, close control and quick feet.DB10GOONER wrote:Cazorla is a lovely passer of the ball. Just the right weight and placement in front of a runner or to feet of someone holding. Unfortunately, it is starting to look a bit like that is all he has in his game.
You're making him sound like tom huddlestone. Agreed yesterday wasn't his best game but even on his bad days he's involved in every good thing we do. Take him out of this team and a top half finish will become the new VT.
I suppose it brings me back to my point that Wenger has just got so much of the basics wrong in this team. Cazorla (for me anyway) would work better in a 4-4-2, as would Giroud (quite possibly) and Podolski (100% definitely).
Cazorla is a flair player, he has talent, there is no doubting that, but I stand by my comment that he doesn't have other aspects to his game like tackling, winning posession, pace etc, and that wouldn't be so critical if the system suited his talent. But then a properly clued in manager would build the team and the system to incorporate his (and other players') strengths, so here we are back to Arsene and his absolute lack of a clue regarding tactics and a workable successful system!
Fucking FA...Bradywasking wrote:Seems the linesman that advised the City players to go over and thank their supporters has been stood down for next weekend.
He got his 15 mins of fame by saying that because he knew the camera was 2 yards away.Bradywasking wrote:Seems the linesman that advised the City players to go over and thank their supporters has been stood down for next weekend.
Too right....! WTF right has he got to suck up to their players when Citeh only bought 2,000 of the cheapest tickets out of the 60,000 sold (just over 3%....and probably nearer 1% of the revenue generated!)..... Now if he'd said that each Arsenal player should give up their weeks wages to compensate our fans then I'd admire the man!Bradywasking wrote:Seems the linesman that advised the City players to go over and thank their supporters has been stood down for next weekend.
I think you are right. Most experts seem to agree that, according to the rules, a red card was the correct decision! I find it very hard to believe that Mike Dean would, as he must have done, admit that he had made a mistake unless he was given no choice....northbank123 wrote:Have to say the FA have been bullied into overturning that red by muppets like Hansen and constant bitching from Mancini.
Look at that tackle and the one against United last year, which I recall them upholding the red card for. Jumps into both with both feet off the floor. But against United his studs weren't showing and he merely jumped in front of the ball and blocked the ball with minimal/no contact with the player. Against us he jumped into the tackle with his studs showing meaning that collision was infinitely more likely and therefore a far more dangerous tackle.
Yet another shocking example of FA inconsistency because they want to cause as little fuss as possible.
F F SBradywasking wrote:Seems the linesman that advised the City players to go over and thank their supporters has been stood down for next weekend.
