The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[Nos89]

The French want out now too. Amazing that the riots still continue yet no coverage in british press. I wonder why?

Also, didn't the EU just sign a free trade agreement with Japan, which contradicts their stance with the British government?

Anyway, even if there was a second referendum the vote to leave would be have a larger majority as those that i have spoken to who voted to remain, would vote to leave now because Juncker and Tusk have shown their true colours and intentions.

[Gunner Rob]

The French want out now too. Amazing that the riots still continue yet no coverage in british press. I wonder why?

Also, didn't the EU just sign a free trade agreement with Japan, which contradicts their stance with the British government?

Anyway, even if there was a second referendum the vote to leave would be have a larger majority as those that i have spoken to who voted to remain, would vote to leave now because Juncker and Tusk have shown their true colours and intentions.

Really ?
And what right wing propaganda have you been reading then ?

And yes the EU have signed a free trade agreement with Japan which does give a bit of a clue as to why Japanese firms are all now moving out of the UK. They do no longer see us of any use to them

[Gunner Rob]

anyway back on topic and imagine being a Swindon Honda car worker who voted for Brexit!

I loved the unbiased coverage of this by the BBC yesterday ,Honda have clearly stated that it had nothing to do with Brexit but that didn't stop the reporter telling you it was at least partly to blame .
The problem is simply that they are making too many cars and they can make them in China or Thailand or Indonesia much cheaper so it's easier to shut down the UK plant !
But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story ,eh Rob !

surely you can't be so naïve to think that Brexit did not play a major part in Honda leaving the UK.
of course Honda said that it had nothing to do with Brexit, the Japanese were just too polite to say that it did.

if you have ever had dealings with the Japanese as I have had recently this is actually very typical behaviour from them.
you will do well to read this column from the Evening Standard yesterday which sets it all out very clearly for you
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comm ... 70631.html

Isn't it amazing how all these companies such as Honda are suddenly leaving the UK at the same time ?
Honda yesterday and then how about adding Nissan, Ford, JLR, Panasonic, Sony, Dyson, Phillips, Hitachi, Toshiba, FlyBMI ?

try and put 2 and 2 together Herd or is that too complicated for you ?

I have done business with ,Mitsubishi ,Mitsui,Sumitomo,Marubeni,Idemitsu Kosan to name but a few ,for over 30 years , I was in Japan last Year and have been there many times but of course if youve recently bought a JVC television travelled in a Toyota Prius or ordered a bowl of ramen then I guess that will trump it Rob !

I am not going to get drawn into some petty squabble about doing business with the Japanese, the point is that Honda leaving the UK IS a decision heavily influenced by Brexit

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[Herd]

I am not going to get drawn into some petty squabble about doing business with the Japanese, the point is that Honda leaving the UK IS a decision heavily influenced by Brexit
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And Domo Origato to you Rob San ,but what you and the media fail to understand is that contrary to Brexit bieng the underlying fault as you've been told by your propaganda inputs ,the real reason is because of the EU trade agreement with Japan which now allows Tariff free accsess to european markets which is a principal reason for not making things here anymore as production cost in the east is much cheaper .
Honda are not switching their plants to Belgium or Germany they are just pulling their limp dicks out of the UK and Turkey.

As usual though you refuse to accept this but of course I should be more greatful thinking of all those wars that bieng in the EU has saved me from !

[Gunner Rob]

I am not going to get drawn into some petty squabble about doing business with the Japanese, the point is that Honda leaving the UK IS a decision heavily influenced by Brexit
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And Domo Origato to you Rob San ,but what you and the media fail to understand is that contrary to Brexit bieng the underlying fault as you've been told by your propaganda inputs ,the real reason is because of the EU trade agreement with Japan which now allows Tariff free accsess to european markets which is a principal reason for not making things here anymore as production cost in the east is much cheaper .
Honda are not switching their plants to Belgium or Germany they are just pulling their limp dicks out of the UK and Turkey.

As usual though you refuse to accept this but of course I should be more greatful thinking of all those wars that bieng in the EU has saved me from !

totally agree with you about the EU trade agreement with Japan.
I have mentioned that in various posts on here.

the problem is that the UK is due to leave the EU next month, which is why they are pulling out.
would they be rushing to pull out of the UK if we were staying inside the EU ? Unlikely. Oh and by the way Turkey is not in the EU either which is why they are also pulling out of there.

[Gunner Rob]

you do realise that the existence of the EU has prevented wars in Europe ?
surely unity is better than being isolated ?

the only Nazis that I have encountered recently are from this country. They call themselves Britain First.
One of their policies is to reduce the number of Muslims in the UK down to zero. Sounds familiar to the jews in Germany in the 1930s.

I have already had a go at a group of this lot giving out leaflets down my high street this morning. Total scumbags.

This is too good to let it pass ,what wars has the EU prevented prey tell Rob I'm all ears .
Did it prevent the troubles in Ireland ,the Bosnian war pehaps,no ? Croatian war of independence ,Bosnia or Kosovo nah don't think so ,th Cod war ? Cyprus invasion by Turkey ,Albanian Civil war ?? No the EU hasnt done any of that at all in fact the EU wants to get an Army so it can start a few wars ,isnt that a pip ?

Glad to see you fighting facism on the high street but you seem oblivious to Eu Facism towards it's throbbing member states !

what you are referring to are regional wars, not nice for those caught up in them, but they hardly disrupted the vast majority of Europe!
the fact is that the major powers in Europe have kept the peace now for over 70 years, that cannot be disputed. And a big reason is that all these countries are part of the EU.

anyway if there is a no deal Brexit (currently due to happen in 36 days time) then there will be a hard border in Ireland, and expect to see the troubles restarting very soon. Hope you enjoy the bombs once again In London!

[GoonerMuzz]

you do realise that the existence of the EU has prevented wars in Europe ?
surely unity is better than being isolated ?

the only Nazis that I have encountered recently are from this country. They call themselves Britain First.
One of their policies is to reduce the number of Muslims in the UK down to zero. Sounds familiar to the jews in Germany in the 1930s.

I have already had a go at a group of this lot giving out leaflets down my high street this morning. Total scumbags.

This is too good to let it pass ,what wars has the EU prevented prey tell Rob I'm all ears .
Did it prevent the troubles in Ireland ,the Bosnian war pehaps,no ? Croatian war of independence ,Bosnia or Kosovo nah don't think so ,th Cod war ? Cyprus invasion by Turkey ,Albanian Civil war ?? No the EU hasnt done any of that at all in fact the EU wants to get an Army so it can start a few wars ,isnt that a pip ?

Glad to see you fighting facism on the high street but you seem oblivious to Eu Facism towards it's throbbing member states !

what you are referring to are regional wars, not nice for those caught up in them, but they hardly disrupted the vast majority of Europe!
the fact is that the major powers in Europe have kept the peace now for over 70 years, that cannot be disputed. And a big reason is that all these countries are part of the EU.

anyway if there is a no deal Brexit (currently due to happen in 36 days time) then there will be a hard border in Ireland, and expect to see the troubles restarting very soon. Hope you enjoy the bombs once again In London!

Rob i've pulled you up on this bollocks before, the EU had nothing to do with preventing wars in Europe.

A quick history lesson, WW2 ended 1945, NATO formed 1949, Warsaw PAct formed 1955, EU formed 1993.... exactly how did the EU stop wars in Europe for 48 years that it didn't exist?

Please stop the revisionist history, you know as well as i do the major factor in preventing wars in Europe until 1989-1990 was NATO and the Warsaw Pact and had nothing at all to do with the EU.

The wars that happened in the Balkans in the early 1990 and after were a direct effect of the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and Communism in Eastern Europe, the EU was unable to prevent them and when they tried to interfere and reduce the problems they failed miserably and what was EUFOR had to be taken over by the UN and became IFOR.

Also in terms of predecessors of the EU, they failed to prevent member states being involved in wars outside of Europe and indeed member states of the Common Market and the EEC were actively involved in trading with countries involved on both sides of conflicts involving member states, think of the French continuing to supply Exocet Missiles to the Argentinians whilst the Falklands war was ongoing.

Check your facts Rob, the EU and its predecessors have got many things wrong in past and have never catergorically prevented any war in Europe.

[Gunner Rob]

Sixty-one years ago, on 25 March 1957, the Treaty of Rome was signed by six European countries to form a remarkable new community.
The European Economic Community – later to be called the European Union – was started in the aftermath of the Second World War with one purpose and one purpose alone: to create lasting peace.
That was the passionate resolve of those who are regarded as the eleven founders of the European Union, including our own war leader, Winston Churchill.

The goal, in the founding document of the European Union called the Treaty of Rome, was to achieve ‘ever closer union among the peoples of Europe’ (which is rather different to ‘ever closer union of nations’.)

Just one year after the Second World War, in 1946, Winston Churchill made his famous speech in Zurich, Switzerland in which he said:
“We must build a kind of United States of Europe. The structure of the United States of Europe, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important.”
At the time Churchill did not envisage Britain joining the new Union of Europe, but he was later to change his mind.

The six founding nations of the new European Community were France, Italy, West Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands and Luxembourg.
This was a remarkable achievement, considering that these countries only a few years previously had been fighting in a most terrible war, and four of the founding nations had been viciously subjugated by another of the founders, Germany, during their Nazi regime.
In a speech four months later in July 1957 at Westminster’s Central Hall, Churchill welcomed the formation of the EEC by the six, provided that, “the whole of free Europe will have access”. Churchill added, “we genuinely wish to join..”
But Churchill also warned:
“If, on the other hand, the European trade community were to be permanently restricted to the six nations, the results might be worse than if nothing were done at all – worse for them as well as for us. It would tend not to unite Europe but to divide it – and not only in the economic field.”

Maybe this is the point that many Brexiters simply don’t get.
Here in Britain we don’t seem to understand the founding purpose of the European Union – and on the rest of the continent, they don’t understand why we don’t understand.

The European Union isn’t just about economics and trade, and never was. It’s about peace, and a community of nations of our continent working together for the benefit and protection of its citizens.
We are now rebuffing our allies in Europe, telling them by our actions and words that the precious, remarkable and successful post-war project to find peace and security on our continent isn’t as important to us as it is to them.
Will our friendship and relationship with the rest of our continent ever recover?

[Jock Gooner]

War in Europe.......post WW2 helped significantly by the allies / NATO not letting the Germans have a fucking army for 10 years followed by allowing them to have a mickey mouse army only thereafter.

[DB10GOONER]

Lads what prevented major war in Europe was the arms race between the USA and the USSR.

MAD is a great deterant. Instead they fought proxy wars in Asia, South America, and the Middle East.

[Gunner Rob]

anyway civil war coming here next month should be good, I will be part of a million strong army kicking things off on 23rd March

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/march

[DB10GOONER]

anyway civil war coming here next month should be good, I will be part of a million strong army kicking things off on 23rd March

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/march

You wanna hope Attenborough ain't involved. He'll fucking wipe the floor with both sides.

[nut flush gooner]

anyway civil war coming here next month should be good, I will be part of a million strong army kicking things off on 23rd March

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/march

You know Rob the independants give me hope about UK politics, at last a business friendly socially conscious group of people who want to offer something different to the main two parties.

Labour have a rudderless leader in Corbyn who has more allegiances with Moscow than he does with the EU. Not forgetting his handling of anti semitism which is rife in the Labour Party. Then the Tories who where always the party of business until the right wingers started to dictate to TM about the terms of brexit, the shit is hitting the fan as we speak but none of them care about anything other than their own careers.

I listened to Anna Soubry on LBC today, and I just couldnt get over how much common sense she speaks. Chuka Umunna no doubt should have been Labour leader, they might actually have won the election last year but in a way thats a blessing that Corbyn didnt stand down, he (Umunna) is now involved in a group of progressive forward thinking people. I just hope they can form a new party that gives the status quo a kick up the back side.

There shouldnt be another referendum really, but for me the way some brexiteers have behaved especially the far right it would be karma to have another ballot with remain as an option. I suspect with a lot of manufacturing jobs going this year it may really focus peoples minds before they make a commitment to vote leave again if asked to do so.

[Herd]

You know Rob the independants give me hope about UK politics, at last a business friendly socially conscious group of people who want to offer something different to the main two parties.

Labour have a rudderless leader in Corbyn who has more allegiances with Moscow than he does with the EU. Not forgetting his handling of anti semitism which is rife in the Labour Party. Then the Tories who where always the party of business until the right wingers started to dictate to TM about the terms of brexit, the shit is hitting the fan as we speak but none of them care about anything other than their own careers.

I listened to Anna Soubry on LBC today, and I just couldnt get over how much common sense she speaks. Chuka Umunna no doubt should have been Labour leader, they might actually have won the election last year but in a way thats a blessing that Corbyn didnt stand down, he (Umunna) is now involved in a group of progressive forward thinking people. I just hope they can form a new party that gives the status quo a kick up the back side.

There shouldnt be another referendum really, but for me the way some brexiteers have behaved especially the far right it would be karma to have another ballot with remain as an option. I suspect with a lot of manufacturing jobs going this year it may really focus peoples minds before they make a commitment to vote leave again if asked to do so.

The independent Group are a bunch of Political nonentities with the exception of the vile creep Chuka and none of them would win a seat as an independent .
Ante semitism isnt rife in the Labour party but there is considerable anti Israeli sentiment that's a massive difference .
The Israelis have been paying people within the Labour party ever since Corbyn was elected to undermine his leadership because they are deeply afraid of him becoming prime minister and they might not be able to murder palistinians with impunity if he was PM .
The Whole anti semite bullshit is as false as the "bullying" bullshit the blarites tried when seeking to stop Corbyn becoming elected .
All of the group were elected under a manifesto that there would be no 2nd vote but the moment they were elected they have tried along with Theresa May to make sure Brexit doesnt happen.
Labour is in turmoil because of the parlimentary MPs' refusal to accept Corbyn as a leader despite the overwhelming support he has from the membership .
There is nothing moral about these people if they had any integrity they would take their chances on a by election ,but they won't because they would lose .
There is also nothing right wing about a hard Brexit ,it's common sense when faced with the intransegence of the Eu and should have been prepared for 2 years ago .
I'd honestly never heard of Anna Soubry untill she resigned ,but Il read up on her !

[Gunner Rob]

There is also nothing right wing about a hard Brexit ,it's common sense when faced with the intransegence of the Eu and should have been prepared for 2 years ago .
I'd honestly never heard of Anna Soubry untill she resigned ,but Il read up on her !

These last two points show that you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Why is it then that the other 27 countries in the EU don't think it is common sense in their countries to have their own versions of Brexit ?
If a hard Brexit isn't right wing then I would love to know what is

as for Anna Soubry - I take it you never watch the news or read newspapers. Stick to commenting on football which you know more about.