The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[Gunner Rob]

looks like Brexit is going to be at least delayed beyond 29th March - maybe delay it indefinitely will be the next step

[DB10GOONER]

It doesn't matter whether Farage was in government or not. He was the unofficial leader of the Leave campaign.
The fact is people believed his lies. As soon as Leave won he said that the £350 million on the bus was a lie and then resigned from UKIP and disappeared for a while. Glad you realise he had NO official mandate whatsoever ,Phew ! Now there was a lot of Pie in the Sky on all sides from Boris to Cameron so it worked out even

You say it was very clear what would happen ! You really predicted this 3 years of chaos did you ?
I said that the powers that be wouldn't let us leave or do a deal where it makes no difference and that is where we are so er yes I did
As for a clear result ??? Leave nearly got 52% of the vote. Hardly clear was it!It was a majority ie more voted leave than stay even you can understand this very concept of democracy at work
What was clear right from day 1 is that the result was not clear and that Article 50 should not have been triggered.
If we had more competent politicians that is what would have happened.er a majority is clear so yes we needed to trigger 50
If May had wished to adhere to the mandate she would have prepared for a no deal Brexit as a means of entering purposeful negotiations but she did nothing for nearly 2 years ,why because she doesn't want us to leave and had no intention of being prepared to leave . this played into the hands of the eu who have just dug their heels in ,not rocket science is it
Instead we were told that doing a deal with the EU would be easy. Its never easy when you don't prepare yourself for a negotiation
Yeah look how that has turned out. Its been a deliberate hoax from the start and has cost us dear ,it could have been done sooooo much better

Luckily the tide is now turning, and some sense is being restored - the newly formed Independent Group, the Labour party awakening from hibernation to call for a peoples vote. Hopefully it is not too late and the country can be saved from destroying itself.

Yes unfortunately Corbyn has turned out to be a liar and a fraud just like all the rest ,ive stopped my monthly payments to the labour party this very morn ,you see I can change my mind on people and politics and admit I was wrong now and again .
However I think that the public will give an even bigger vote for leave next time contrary to your thoughts

See what I did with the quotes DB ??

Piss poor effort.

To quote the great Spinal Tap:

"It's fuckin barbershop raga..."

[The Arsenal Way]

" I've got a hundred plus back issues of the Gooner going back over two decades"



I once had several hundred 'original's' of Dandy, The Beano, The Beezer and later in life Viz.
Also, I had sherbert dib dabs, liquorice laces, black jacks and bon bons along with games compendiums, featuring snakes n ladders. Also I had Ludo and ker plunk.

You lose.

Still fancy that heads up?

[DB10GOONER]

" I've got a hundred plus back issues of the Gooner going back over two decades"



I once had several hundred 'original's' of Dandy, The Beano, The Beezer and later in life Viz.
Also, I had sherbert dib dabs, liquorice laces, black jacks and bon bons along with games compendiums, featuring snakes n ladders. Also I had Ludo and ker plunk.

You lose.

Still fancy that heads up?

I used to have quite the collection of "Dirty Slags Quarterly".

[A11M11]

Some time ago I was chastised for calling the E.U an enemy . One of Rob's friends ( Herman Van Rompuy ) said last Tuesday

" With their backs against the wall and the abyss in front of their eyes ,with our knife at their throat , we are nearly there.
If some more time is needed after the end of March that is not a problem for the 27."

if we are not meant to think of them as an enemy , it would be nice were it to be reciprocated.

[Gunner Rob]

Some time ago I was chastised for calling the E.U an enemy . One of Rob's friends ( Herman Van Rompuy ) said last Tuesday

" With their backs against the wall and the abyss in front of their eyes ,with our knife at their throat , we are nearly there.
If some more time is needed after the end of March that is not a problem for the 27."

if we are not meant to think of them as an enemy , it would be nice were it to be reciprocated.

Brexit is certainly not helping our relations with the rest of Europe - I don't blame them to be increasingly frustrated.
The UK government has been a complete shambles in trying to sort this out.

Don't forget that if Brexit does eventually happen we will need the EU far more than it needs us.
If one thing has been made clear from the last 2 years it is that!

By the way interesting migration stats revealed this morning.
The net migration from the EU is now at its lowest level for a decade.
However net migration from non EU countries is rocketing! No doubt you will be moaning about this once we leave the EU!

[Gunner Rob]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rexit.html

this should be interesting
are walking sticks and mobility scooters being provided ??

[Herd]

Brexit is certainly not helping our relations with the rest of Europe - I don't blame them to be increasingly frustrated.
The UK government has been a complete shambles in trying to sort this out.

Don't forget that if Brexit does eventually happen we will need the EU far more than it needs us.
If one thing has been made clear from the last 2 years it is that!
No quite the opposite the UK will thrive with a no deal Brexit and the economies of Spain Portugal will collapse in a heartbeat unless their Governments agree to trade deals with us very Quick . At the moment we are 1 nation against a group ,if we leave with a no deal the governments of all our neighbours will come under immediate pressure from business to deal with us ,

By the way interesting migration stats revealed this morning.
The net migration from the EU is now at its lowest level for a decade.However net migration from non EU countries is rocketing! No doubt you will be moaning about this once we leave the EU! So what there already here ,and the UK has a very handy way of cheating the immigration figures because when eu citizens take uk citizenship ,the government counts them as leaving ,its pure manipulation to keep fools like you looking at so called facts . on thing for sure our immigration policy is madness and is costing us dearly .
In Housing I think we built 140,000 new homes last year loads of very high end stuff in London which no Ordinary man can afford .
On the other hand we Net import about 250,000 people a year .There is a massive shortage of affordable housing in the UK and it gets worse every year likewise the NHS has to cope with a city load of people every year then there's schools and other support systems to consider .
A lot of Non EU immigrants come with nothing so they are an immediate drain on us ,its pure madness.
There are also millions of illegal immigrants in the country although the government has no stats on this but they try and tells us its around half a million so we can reckon that its probably 5 x that amount ,and that grows by an unknown figure every year . Anyone who dares mention any of this is immediately branded as a racist but if you live in London is effects are with us and damaging us every day in overcrowding and crippling rents howeverthis isnt just a Brexit issue .

This isnt what scares me the most however ,it's the Lisbon treaty that does that ,oh and the UN Migrant plan which the Eu has adopted !

[nut flush gooner]

Brexit is certainly not helping our relations with the rest of Europe - I don't blame them to be increasingly frustrated.
The UK government has been a complete shambles in trying to sort this out.

Don't forget that if Brexit does eventually happen we will need the EU far more than it needs us.
If one thing has been made clear from the last 2 years it is that!
No quite the opposite the UK will thrive with a no deal Brexit and the economies of Spain Portugal will collapse in a heartbeat unless their Governments agree to trade deals with us very Quick . At the moment we are 1 nation against a group ,if we leave with a no deal the governments of all our neighbours will come under immediate pressure from business to deal with us ,

By the way interesting migration stats revealed this morning.
The net migration from the EU is now at its lowest level for a decade.However net migration from non EU countries is rocketing! No doubt you will be moaning about this once we leave the EU! So what there already here ,and the UK has a very handy way of cheating the immigration figures because when eu citizens take uk citizenship ,the government counts them as leaving ,its pure manipulation to keep fools like you looking at so called facts . on thing for sure our immigration policy is madness and is costing us dearly .
In Housing I think we built 140,000 new homes last year loads of very high end stuff in London which no Ordinary man can afford .
On the other hand we Net import about 250,000 people a year .There is a massive shortage of affordable housing in the UK and it gets worse every year likewise the NHS has to cope with a city load of people every year then there's schools and other support systems to consider .
A lot of Non EU immigrants come with nothing so they are an immediate drain on us ,its pure madness.
There are also millions of illegal immigrants in the country although the government has no stats on this but they try and tells us its around half a million so we can reckon that its probably 5 x that amount ,and that grows by an unknown figure every year . Anyone who dares mention any of this is immediately branded as a racist but if you live in London is effects are with us and damaging us every day in overcrowding and crippling rents howeverthis isnt just a Brexit issue .

This isnt what scares me the most however ,it's the Lisbon treaty that does that ,oh and the UN Migrant plan which the Eu has adopted !

Herd,

On what grounds will the UK thrive with a no deal Brexit? That's such a cliche, the reality is no one wins Europe or the UK, I don't know why you have singled out Spain and Portugal.

A no deal Brexit means taxes and tariffs will be applied to imports into the UK as well as our exports. This means prices will go up in the shops, with less disposal income chasing fewer goods. That isn't thriving by any stretch of the imagination. Liam Fox said that by Brexit day on the 29th of March we would have 40 trade deals in place, at the end of February we had 6! And not one of them was with a major trading nation. Just more lies and propaganda by the Brexit camp.

Again you're attacking immigrants, when this subject has been covered umpteen times on this thread, how many independent studies do you need to do before you understand that the net effect of migration into this country over the last 20 years has been positive for our finances and therefore you can't pin problems with public services on immigrants. There has been a period of Austerity since 2010 you know.

With regards to housing, go to any other major city in the world and you will find the cost of renting or buying is astronomic. London is nothing special, the reason that prices are so high is again because of government policy not building enough homes

More importantly large property companies are land banking, that is to say, they are hoarding land that they have planning permission to build property and not doing anything. That as much as anything is dictating the market because these companies are controlling the supply of property and the price, not the number of immigrants here. When have you ever seen a poor property developer?

Jeez how many ways can you say something before it sticks.

[Gunner Rob]

"the UK will thrive with a no deal Brexit "

the delusion continues.

[Herd]

On what grounds will the UK thrive with a no deal Brexit? That's such a cliche, the reality is no one wins Europe or the UK, I don't know why you have singled out Spain and Portugal. Well for a start we won't be subsidizing the bankrupt EU countries like Spain Greece Italy Portugal Cyprus and other Eu countries whose economies are in the toilet . If you think its Bad now wait until 2020 when the Lisbon Treaty Jacks up our Bill and takes away our rebates

A no deal Brexit means taxes and tariffs will be applied to imports into the UK as well as our exports. This means prices will go up in the shops, with less disposal income chasing fewer goods. That isn't thriving by any stretch of the imagination. Liam Fox said that by Brexit day on the 29th of March we would have 40 trade deals in place, at the end of February we had 6! And not one of them was with a major trading nation. Just more lies and propaganda by the Brexit camp. This is bullshit ,we can very IMPORT anything we like without Tariff and your obsession with Trade deals masks your poor understanding of the Import and Export Business, in the long run the aim should be to import and export without Tariff with any country we chose ,no need for a Trump like trade deal

Again you're attacking immigrants, when this subject has been covered umpteen times on this thread, how many independent studies do you need to do before you understand that the net effect of migration into this country over the last 20 years has been positive for our finances and therefore you can't pin problems with public services on immigrants. There has been a period of Austerity since 2010 you know. Im not attacking immigrants and never have done and I deeply resent your countless attempts to paint me as a racist you pathetic melt . Your so called independent studies are anything but independent . People produce facts and figures to show what they want you to believe and can manipulate them any way they want but again your so dumb you cant understand this simple concept . Increased GDP doesn't mean we are better off please go away and study this as I don't have the time . Many NON EU immigrants are making no contribution at all and apart from the High end 50,000 or so City types most Eu bods don't pay enough tax to pay for Schools ,NHS . And As I've pointed out a net deficit of 120,000 houses means we don't have enough houses to put every one in ,its simple enough for even you to understand . Now the Eu has signed up for the UN Migration Pact which effectively means that we will have ZERO control on immigration and there an expected 60 million from Africa to distribute to the Eu countries ,where do u suggest we put our share Flush . Oh and under this anyone who tries to speak out against immigration will be a criminal .This and the Lisbon Treaty effectively means we are no longer a nation and are subject to others with little or no control over anything ,doesn't that scare you ,it should flush but your too busy inhaling propaganda to notice

With regards to housing, go to any other major city in the world and you will find the cost of renting or buying is astronomic. London is nothing special, the reason that prices are so high is again because of government policy not building enough homesBerlin is quite affordable or is that not a Major City ?

More importantly large property companies are land banking, that is to say, they are hoarding land that they have planning permission to build property and not doing anything. That as much as anything is dictating the market because these companies are controlling the supply of property and the price, not the number of immigrants here. When have you ever seen a poor property developer? irrelevant

Jeez how many ways can you say something before it sticks. when its lies and bullshit Never
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[Gunner Rob]

Herd again demonstrating why a slight majority of the UK were conned into voting for Brexit

[nut flush gooner]

On what grounds will the UK thrive with a no deal Brexit? That's such a cliche, the reality is no one wins Europe or the UK, I don't know why you have singled out Spain and Portugal. Well for a start we won't be subsidizing the bankrupt EU countries like Spain Greece Italy Portugal Cyprus and other Eu countries whose economies are in the toilet . If you think its Bad now wait until 2020 when the Lisbon Treaty Jacks up our Bill and takes away our rebates

A no deal Brexit means taxes and tariffs will be applied to imports into the UK as well as our exports. This means prices will go up in the shops, with less disposal income chasing fewer goods. That isn't thriving by any stretch of the imagination. Liam Fox said that by Brexit day on the 29th of March we would have 40 trade deals in place, at the end of February we had 6! And not one of them was with a major trading nation. Just more lies and propaganda by the Brexit camp. This is bullshit ,we can very IMPORT anything we like without Tariff and your obsession with Trade deals masks your poor understanding of the Import and Export Business, in the long run the aim should be to import and export without Tariff with any country we chose ,no need for a Trump like trade deal

Again you're attacking immigrants, when this subject has been covered umpteen times on this thread, how many independent studies do you need to do before you understand that the net effect of migration into this country over the last 20 years has been positive for our finances and therefore you can't pin problems with public services on immigrants. There has been a period of Austerity since 2010 you know. Im not attacking immigrants and never have done and I deeply resent your countless attempts to paint me as a racist you pathetic melt . Your so called independent studies are anything but independent . People produce facts and figures to show what they want you to believe and can manipulate them any way they want but again your so dumb you cant understand this simple concept . Increased GDP doesn't mean we are better off please go away and study this as I don't have the time . Many NON EU immigrants are making no contribution at all and apart from the High end 50,000 or so City types most Eu bods don't pay enough tax to pay for Schools ,NHS . And As I've pointed out a net deficit of 120,000 houses means we don't have enough houses to put every one in ,its simple enough for even you to understand . Now the Eu has signed up for the UN Migration Pact which effectively means that we will have ZERO control on immigration and there an expected 60 million from Africa to distribute to the Eu countries ,where do u suggest we put our share Flush . Oh and under this anyone who tries to speak out against immigration will be a criminal .This and the Lisbon Treaty effectively means we are no longer a nation and are subject to others with little or no control over anything ,doesn't that scare you ,it should flush but your too busy inhaling propaganda to notice

With regards to housing, go to any other major city in the world and you will find the cost of renting or buying is astronomic. London is nothing special, the reason that prices are so high is again because of government policy not building enough homesBerlin is quite affordable or is that not a Major City ?

More importantly large property companies are land banking, that is to say, they are hoarding land that they have planning permission to build property and not doing anything. That as much as anything is dictating the market because these companies are controlling the supply of property and the price, not the number of immigrants here. When have you ever seen a poor property developer? irrelevant

Jeez how many ways can you say something before it sticks. when its lies and bullshit Never

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Herd could you honestly put more inaccuracies in a post than this?

Again you are just flying off the handle making sweeping statements rather than quoting facts. Let me help you:

Fact 1- Even if the UK continued membership of the EU we will NOT make any contribution to a future bailout of any other EU member state. This was agreed in 2016 prior to the referendum.

We also did NOT assist the EU in the bailout of Greece, our only contribution came as a result of our membership of the International Monetary Fund. The UK has only contributed a total of 6.5 billion euros via the EU towards the bailouts of Ireland and Portugal. Nothing for Spain, nothing for Cyprus and nothing for Italy. If you are going to reference certain countries at least get them right.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... m-36456277

These bailouts aren't interest-free loans, the countries that have lent money to Greece are getting their money back and some. Greece has now also successfully exited the bailout program. Italy has not received a bailout, although it is widely recognised that it could be the next country in the EU that requires a bailout. Given what happened with Greece and the IMF, it is highly likely that any Italian bailout would come from both the EU and the IMF, and yes we would have to contribute via our membership of the IMF. Should we leave the IMF as well?

Quite what the Lisbon treaty has to do with anything is beyond me, even with an extension to Article 50, we should have left the EU in some shape or form by then.

Fact 2 - We CANNOT just import any goods without taxes or tariffs, for the EU without a trade deal we move onto WTO rules. The same applies with every non-EU country that we do not have a trade deal with. We could unilaterally apply zero tariffs but that would put our home producers especially in sectors like agriculture under pressure as importers undercut them, so that is very unlikely to happen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... m-36456277

Fact 3 - You say many non-EU migrants are not making a contribution. Wow just wow! Have you been to a corner shop, the local post office, hospitals or many local businesses that are run by non-EU immigrants. Then you come up with a sweeping figure of 50,000 professionals. If you are guessing, I would guess that the true figure is much higher than that.

Fact 4 - You are comparing the price of property in Berlin with London, have you checked that Berlin has amongst the highest property price rises in the world over the last few years?

Why not compare it with a major city in another country. Try Paris, New York, Hong Kong, Singapore. You will find renting or buying in any of these cities isn't cheap. You say land banking is irrelevant when it comes to our housing market, how can that be so when its known property companies are hoarding 400,000+ plots that they should develop but they don't because it might affect their bottom line.

https://whoownsengland.org/2017/02/07/h ... happening/

What impact would putting 400,000 properties have on the UK market. It's not difficult to see prices and rentals would fall. So why is it irrelevant?

No doubt you'll just respond with more questionable statements.

[Herd]

Let me help you:Oh gee thanks obi 1 Kenobi

Fact 1- Even if the UK continued membership of the EU we will NOT make any contribution to a future bailout of any other EU member state. This was agreed in 2016 prior to the referendum.

We also did NOT assist the EU in the bailout of Greece, our only contribution came as a result of our membership of the International Monetary Fund. The UK has only contributed a total of 6.5 billion euros via the EU towards the bailouts of Ireland and Portugal. Nothing for Spain, nothing for Cyprus and nothing for Italy. If you are going to reference certain countries at least get them right.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... m-36456277

These bailouts aren't interest-free loans, the countries that have lent money to Greece are getting their money back and some. Greece has now also successfully exited the bailout program. Italy has not received a bailout, although it is widely recognised that it could be the next country in the EU that requires a bailout. Given what happened with Greece and the IMF, it is highly likely that any Italian bailout would come from both the EU and the IMF, and yes we would have to contribute via our membership of the IMF. Should we leave the IMF as well What I meant was simple enough ,we pay far more in than we get out ,thus we subsidize the others ,no need for the lecture Flush

Quite what the Lisbon treaty has to do with anything is beyond me, even with an extension to Article 50, we should have left the EU in some shape or form by then. I'm not so sure we are leaving at the moment ,with No Credible Exit plan we may have to stay in . In that case Lisbon Treaty looms very large

Fact 2 - We CANNOT just import any goods without taxes or tariffs, for the EU without a trade deal we move onto WTO rules. The same applies with every non-EU country that we do not have a trade deal with. We could unilaterally apply zero tariffs but that would put our home producers especially in sectors like agriculture under pressure as importers undercut them, so that is very unlikely to happen. Sorry thats complete Tosh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... m-36456277 The BBC is a state run propaganda machine ,they have no credibility anymore

Fact 3 - You say many non-EU migrants are not making a contribution. Wow just wow! Have you been to a corner shop, the local post office, hospitals or many local businesses that are run by non-EU immigrants. Then you come up with a sweeping figure of 50,000 professionals. If you are guessing, I would guess that the true figure is much higher than that. My Mistake apologies ,immigrants have made massive contributions to the Uk community and economy . What I meant to say is that recent immigration (last 20 years ) from non Eu counties tend to plug straight into the benefit system and don't work

Fact 4 - You are comparing the price of property in Berlin with London, have you checked that Berlin has amongst the highest property price rises in the world over the last few years? You invited me to name 1 major city in the world that was affordable and so mentioned Berlin which has very affordable housing and is the major driver of policy in the EU Germany

Why not compare it with a major city in another country. Try Paris, New York, Hong Kong, Singapore. You will find renting or buying in any of these cities isn't cheap. You say land banking is irrelevant when it comes to our housing market, how can that be so when its known property companies are hoarding 400,000+ plots that they should develop but they don't because it might affect their bottom line.

https://whoownsengland.org/2017/02/07/h ... happening/

What impact would putting 400,000 properties have on the UK market. It's not difficult to see prices and rentals would fall. So why is it irrelevant?I was simply stating that if you take in 250,000 net a year people and only build 140,000 houses then its unsustainable, thus the rest of your guff is irrelevant, I'm afraid you go off on too many tangents so I try to simplify it for you and not get too off piste

No doubt you'll just respond with more questionable statements. There's no question, your a pompous ass !
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[Gunner Rob]