MM99 wrote:well thats ridiculous, let us deal with facts and not beliefs, especially if youre going to be killing civillians and innocent people. imo simply believing you have a right to a land because you believe god promised it to you is bordering on lunacy if you want to justify the real killing of thousands of people.
correct me if im wrong but the jewish people illegally immigrated to the region of palestine, in violation of british restrictions, from 1934 to 1948. with jews then accounting for 33% of the population of palestine, which was previuously 11%. seems to me that the majority of the immigration happened after ww2 as opposed to the increase over a period of time that you suggest.
The increase in Jewish immigration to the land of Israel started from the 1880s.
It is not about how many Jews arrived and when, as we were
returning to our land!
There was massive Jewish immigration to British Mandate Palestine, yes, and most of it was illegal under British law.
Who were the British to stop Jews living in Israel? On whose authority?
Britain was given the authority in a mandate by the UN to administer the land, and to prevent outbreaks or violence between Jews and Arabs.
Yet despite a sizeable British military and police presence, the situation from 1927 onwards (Hebron massacre of Jews by Arabs), descended into warfare and civil chaos.
The British eventually realised this, withdrawing in 1948 (from India around that time too for similar reasons).
I am proud that Jews broke British immigration law then.
What was the alternative for us?
To live at sea?
To stay in Eastern Europe and be murdered by the Nazis?
The USA closed it's doors to any sizeable Jewish immigration from 1924 on, even turning back a Jewish refugee ship from which nearly all the inhabitants perished in the Holocaust.
The British were merely temporary custodians of the land, and by the mid 1940's it was clear their time was up.
Might be odd for some readers to see me write that, being British myself, and having had family who served in both world wars for the British military and a Jewish friend who is currently in the British army serving in Afghanistan, but for some of us the world of national identity and political allegiance is not always a smooth one
To you, the idea of G-D presenting us with a land is "ridiciulous".
That is your right to believe that.
To me though, it is a core belief, and more viable and valid than any U.N. mandate.
How does it justify killing thousands of people?
The killing of thousands of people is justified if it is because those people repeatedly attack you with the sole intention of destroying your entire nation.
They want to destroy us more than they want to live life themselves, so use suicide bombers!
They have had repeated opportunities to build an economically and politically viable nation state, yet prefer to wage war than to build that state.
Those who want peace amongst the Palestinians have been sold down the river by their bloodthirsty counterparts.
In 2000 they were a few months away from setting up as an independent state.
Postage stamps had been printed, an international phone code assigned, and rail, road, and air infrastructure improvements planned.
Yet they threw it away on the pretence of squabbling over tiny amounts of land.
Arafat had it in his grasp, and he threw it away.
