Is it time?

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Well i have to disagree yet again, RVP's corners are quality, not all the time but no ones are, what we lack is decent movement in the area, if we had the likes of cahill attacking it would be a totally different matter and you would rave over his corners...

Here we go with that word 'if' again'. 'If' he was as good at taking corners as you suggest, he'd be able to find the players we do have in the team, not the ones we wished we had!!

Putting his foot through it is what all pros do, but they don't generate the pace and dip that he can...

No, that's not right!! Some players use cunning at their set pieces, such as curling the ball around or over the wall. Othertimes they use the threat of a shot as a decoy and try and pick out a team-mate. However, all RVP seems to do is slam it!! Anyway, just how many goals has Robin scored from free-kicks using the so-called superior technique you credit him with?

..All this talk about arshavin, i hope he becomes the player you all seem to think he is, anonymous in the first half against liverpool before ONLY JUST scoring from 6 yards.

True 2 of his finishes were very good but against chelsea he had 20 mins and never got a touch...

My god , I can't really believe that part of your response!! If you can't see how good a player Arshaven is - and long before his 4 goals - then I would question your knowledge and judgement. Anyone that knows anything about football could long ago see the guy is a player and a fecking very good one at that. The fact that 'he did nothing' in the first 45minutes against Liverpool except score a goal , contrasts favourably with most of the other players on the pitch that night!! Yet, it seems the fact he ended up with 4 goals from 4 shots still wasn't enough for you.

..It will always be the same with supporters, one minute a player is going to be world class the next he is dog shit.

You speak for yourself!! . Some of us know about football and are not that fickle. You're the one that seemingly can't recognise that Arshavin is world class

So you can 'have it' back!!

Fuck my old boots, it must be arsene in disguise, you have proved my point exactly, you already rate arshavin world class after a couple of games

The beast scored 4 at anfield

when arsh has had 2 seasons in the prem and is voted writers player of the year, won a title or cl then yes call him world class but not yet please.
I for one hope he does fulfill the hype.

As for RVP, he has had 9 assists this season so his crossing passing can't be that bad. Players don't pick out players from corners, they pick a space where players should make movment too, how many players have you seen stood roted to the spot and the all just fly onto their head

To get decent curl and dip a player still needs to put their foot through the ball the foot just goes through at different angles, and the body is angle differently to get the dip, did you ever play

[I Hate Hleb]

..Fuck my old boots, it must be arsene in disguise, you have proved my point exactly, you already rate arshavin world class after a couple of games

The beast scored 4 at anfield :

Sorry matey but Arshavin had already proven his class in the qualifying games for the European Championships - you know, the one where they qualified ahead of England - the Euro Finals themselves and in the UEFA Cup for Zenit. Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge could see that Arshavin was in the top bracket of players.

As for the Beast, I never rated him before he came to Arsenal and wasn't disappointed!! You shouldn't assume everyone makes their mind and opinions up on a whim or don't have prior knowledge of players before they turn up at Arsenal - which seems to be the case with you.

..when arsh has had 2 seasons in the prem and is voted writers player of the year, won a title or cl then yes call him world class but not yet please.
I for one hope he does fulfill the hype.:

So that is the qualifing criteria, is it? Unless you've won the title or C.L. you're not world class? Well that rules Cesc and your mate RVP out of the equation then, not to mention numerous other players that are acknowledged as being world class but don't have those medals. Similarly, you propose that a player qualifies if he's voted player of the year by a bunch of hacks whose real knowledge about football could fill the back of a postage stamp, and whose choice is very much dictated by whom they support or want to gain favour with? Are you sure?

..As for RVP, he has had 9 assists this season so his crossing passing can't be that bad. Players don't pick out players from corners, they pick a space where players should make movment too, how many players have you seen stood roted to the spot and the all just fly onto their head :

The amount of assists RVP has to his name has nothing to do with this debate, which was started by your claim that he is a great free-kick and corner taker. I disagree completely and nothing you have subsequently said has proven me wrong - despite the 101 lesson in corner taking routines you seem to assume I need!! The fact remains that far too many of our corner kicks are not hit in the right area and as a principle taker of them for Arsenal, you can't then claim that RVP is great at taking them when the evidence suggests otherwise. As for the last point you make; although not usual, Ade's goal against Man City springs to mind!!

..To get decent curl and dip a player still needs to put their foot through the ball the foot just goes through at different angles, and the body is angle differently to get the dip..

Again with the lessons!! Of course you have to put your foot through a ball otherwise how will you propell it forward? The difference I'm talking about is that some free-kick specialists show subtlety, like using their in-step for example, to curl the ball around or over a wall, whereas Robin seems to just blast it.

..did you ever play

You cheeky crunt!! I played and was involved in the game in all capacities for over 30 years son, and I can guarantee you that I was a better player and am a more knowledgeble person about the game then you were/are/will ever be!! And that, as Rafa Benitez would say: Is Fact!!

[flash gunner]

Havent read every part of this thread but my view is RVP, Fabregas and Arshavin are the only world class players we have in our squad. Why sell one of them when there are so many other to get rid of

[I Hate Hleb]

£15m? What would we buy with £15m?

We won't get Villa as he's going to be more like £40m. I bet those of you who are screaming "sell him!" will be the same ones moaning if we weaken the squad this summer....

This is the problem. I am with IHH and Quartz , RvP is massively overrated but I would only want to sell him if we spent the money on a DM or CH., not to pay off the f*cking debt.

Chippy,

Don't get me wrong, I do rate RVP and remember seeing him for Feyenoord back in 2002/3 and wishing Arsenal would sign him. Was chuffed when we did. Although a very good player, I can see what Quartz meant about his style of play maybe not suiting our once fast flowing game, as it tends to slow up a bit in his possession. Still, I believe in the hole behind a main striker or on the right side of midfield cutting onto his strong left foot, RVP can be of huge worth to us.

Where I don't like seeing him played is up top on his own - where his lack of pace and a physical presence makes him ineffectual; or on the left-hand side of midfield (ala against Chelsea) when he is forced to go inside and onto his weak side. Where I do think RVP is massively over-rated is his prowess at set pieces, as I have been debating with Leftfootlegend.

I do however agree with your final point.