Is Wenger in the last chance saloon?

[Eboue-Why?]

Listen I am not gloating here and it gives me no satisfaction to say this but havent I said all along that wenger would not make the necessary quality additions to the squad ? I argued since last jan that he should have been removed from power in the summer cos his inability to see the glaring weaknesses in the squad and properly correct them is seriously fcuking our chances of success. The wengerites said that he was aware of our shortcomings and would be taking the necessary actions in the summer so he shouldnt be removed from his position but I asked the question then and the question still remains today....what if he doesnt buy ? We have wasted yet another transfer window scratching our arses as 2 of our main rivals (shitty and the scum) have shown their intent with some serious purchases Contrary to what a lot of you believe it doesnt take a world class player to be an upgrade on the players we have so we def could have upgraded without the massive expenditure that some use as an excuse not to spend

.....and I was one of them Augie. Not a Wengerite or rose tinter but just a fan who kept believing that he would see that there is a big difference between a team that can beat average teams and one that can seriously compete with the best in our league and across Europe. But I am absolutely amazed that he hasn't bought quality again. Can't he see what Arshavin has bought to the squad? Fuck potential. Song, Denilson, Eboue, Diaby, Bendtner do not have quality to match the best and experience won't ever bring natural quality.
When he spouted off on Monday about United's anti football tactics then quite frankly I was embarrased. I believe that he is slowly losing the plot.
After today's lack of transfer activity I am pissed off. If we're broke then fucking say it so that we understand why he refuses to spend because if it's purely down to his 'belief' then this season may, just may be the one where the fans decide Wenger's future.

[donaldo]

We do need another CH as both Silvestre and Senderos are a pile of horseshit

As for strikers RVP wont score 20 league goals,Eduardo WONT stay fit,Bendtner just isnt good enough and Vela well no one knows how good he is.Are you telling me you wouldnt have signed Huntelaar for 15m

no, i'm not saying we shouldn't, i'm saying i personaly wouldn't. i simply don't think huntelaar is that good. I see RVP scoring 20 goals easily, but I don't think that is necessary. I think 15 for him and 20 shared between the other two strikers is good enough to win the league, specially since we have a midfielder like fabregas, who can score lots of goals specially in our new formation, and two centrebacks who are also very dangerous in set pieces. Not to mention nasri who, when fit, is also capable of a lot of goals.

you say eduardo WONT stay fit. why are you sure? i see him missing 5-10 games because of minor injuries that are very common after his horrible injury, but i don't see why he can play a big part this season.

oh, and senderos was part of a very good team back in 2006. he was very very very far from "a pile of horseshit". he just needs to find consistency again, because when he plays well, he is wonderful. I'd be worried if he was 1st or 2nd choice, but he is 4th, so i think he is good enough for that.

Get real Brazillian

Silvestre was 4th choice CH last season and ended up playing in the major games at the crucial part of the season. I dont want to see Senderos playing in a QF or Semi final and getting eaten alive by Torres and particularly Drogba again

[Percy Dalton]

Senderos being described as wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!

[the playing mantis]

brazilian, the more you post the more you undermine your views, senderos wonderful, silvestre. have you actually seen these guys play!!

eduardo a wondeful player? sure hes scored goals in croatia so what, hes proved nothing in england, injury or not, apart from he can score the occasionl spectacular finish.

the club lost ts leading (?) scorer and didnt replace him....it doesnt take a genius to see how the squad is weaker by such a move.

pompey, celtic an everton were completly different games to the likes of hull/stoke, they play completely dfferent types of football, plus the everton result was fluke easily explainable by their distractions.

i dont think rvp has ever scoed 20 goals in a season even for feyenoord

[brazilianGOONER]

brazilian, the more you post the more you undermine your views, senderos wonderful, silvestre. have you actually seen these guys play!!

have you actually seen the champions league in 2006? yes tPM and percy, he was amazing - and at the world cup he was amazing too. have you watched the world cup? i'm not saying he's brilliant, i'm saying he is more than enough for 4th choice.

eduardo a wondeful player? sure hes scored goals in croatia so what, hes proved nothing in england, injury or not, apart from he can score the occasionl spectacular finish.

have you actually seen eduardo play? well, i have, since zagreb, because he was always regarded as a brilliant player here in brazil. i knew him before he joined arsenal, and he always looked like a wonderful, yes, wonderful finisher to me. oops, not only me, dunga (brazil coach) already said that if eduardo hadn't decided to play for croatia some years ago, now he would be first choice for brazil, ahead of luis fabiano, for example.

the club lost ts leading (?) scorer and didnt replace him....it doesnt take a genius to see how the squad is weaker by such a move.

do you really believe that? a guy who was born offside, lost many one-on-ones and was lazy as hell? come on...

pompey, celtic an everton were completly different games to the likes of hull/stoke, they play completely dfferent types of football, plus the everton result was fluke easily explainable by their distractions.
i dont think rvp has ever scoed 20 goals in a season even for feyenoord

yes, every game is different from another one. what is difficult is to win every single one of them. and so far, we're doing more than fine. i see our team defending very well agaisnt every kind of attack, aerial, quick, strong - to my eyes, gallas, tv, sagna and clichy are ready to face any attack, and i consider djourou to be good enough while one of the two CBs are out, and if necessary, senderos can step in. our cover for fullbacks is awesome as well.

as i said, again, RvP does not need to score 20 goals in order for us to be champions. we score from every position on the pitch, or haven't you watched our games this season so far?[/quote]

[brazilianGOONER]

Get real Brazillian

Silvestre was 4th choice CH last season and ended up playing in the major games at the crucial part of the season. I dont want to see Senderos playing in a QF or Semi final and getting eaten alive by Torres and particularly Drogba again

i remember senderos on a champions league knockout against the mighty milan in milan and it was quite awesome. i wouldn't mind to see that again. i think you wouldn't, as well.

against liverpool, however, he didn't play well, and that's his problem - consistency. well, consistency is a problem solved only by experience, and he is a lot more experienced now than he was back in 2006 when he played very well in the best defense in the history of the champions league (!). if you remember well, he didn't start only in the final, which we lost.

so, again, no, i don't want to see senderos every week (he's not my type ) but i don't mind him being our 4th choice.

do you know who is united's, liverpool's, chelsea's, shitty's and spud's 4th choice??? they are all shit. senderos kicks their asses.

[n7gooner]

The other clubs have just as good if not better 4th choice CB than us.

Chelsea: Ivanovic
Man u: O'shea
Liverpool: Kyrgiakos
Spurs: Corluka
man city: onuoha
Villa: cuellar


are any of them worse than Senderos or Silvestre?

[Gooner Jim]

The other clubs have just as good if not better 4th choice CB than us.

Chelsea: Ivanovic
Man u: O'shea
Liverpool: Kyrgiakos
Spurs: Corluka
man city: onuoha
Villa: cuellar


are any of them worse than Senderos or Silvestre?

cuellar starts for villa, onuoha has potential but nothing else and he isnt gunna get the games at city, Iv only seen Kyrgiakos and he was preety crap and corluka is more of a right back. Apart from Ivanovic I would prefer big phil and DJ tbh

[Gunnersaurus]

This is definatly Wenger's last chance saloon, I don't think the board will sack him, infact there is talk of giving him a new contract but I believe the fans will drive him out if his youth programme doesn't produce the goods this season.

Sayng that, the good times for football clubs is well and truely over bar City.

United, liverpool and even Chelsea are slowing down in the market and are now hyping up their net spend they now have to work with what they have and with what they have coming through, one thing we know about Wenger is that this club is up to speed on that level, are their clubs?

Who knows, he may end up smelling of roses in this long term but there's more a chance he won't as frustrations are growing and yesterday wouldn't have helped.

I do not believe that Fillipo Mello was the only player Wenger deemed good enough to come to the club (apart from Vermaelen off course)

[Andrey's Tongue]

The treble, silly!! Haven't you been reading his posts?

exactly, IHH!!! good boy!

seriously, i can see us challenging for the title, percy. i don't see why our squad isn't better than liverpool's or manure's or shitty's. i really don't.

i think we can beat anyone in the premiership, and the game against manure, even though we lost, proved that. it is no doubt to me that almunia; sagna,gallas,tv,clichy; song,cesc,nasri; arshavin,eduardo,rvp is a wonderful team, and that djourou, denilson, rosicky, walcott, vela, wilshere, ramsey, nic and vela are some of the very good replacements we have for when its necessary. i think united doesn't have decent cover for defense and not even decent first team wingers, i think liverpool has only one striker and i think chelsea, well i think chelsea has a very good team, but not much better than ours, and it is an aging team.

no, i won't be happy with top 4, i want to be champions again, i want a double, a treble, a quadruple, whatever, and i really do think this team can do it.

i know i'm the rare species nowadays, but in wenger i still trust.

Don't worry, you are not as rare as you think you are. Just because 5 or 6 people who post most regularly on here don't agree with you it doesn't mean they represent the view points of the wider support.

[augie]

[Boomer]

With Man U winning the Prem, the beer cup, Reaching the Finals of the CL and winning the World club cup last year they made a profit of £80M!

More worryingly for them the Glaziers tooks around £46M of that to pay off the loan.

[augie]

With Man U winning the Prem, the beer cup, Reaching the Finals of the CL and winning the World club cup last year they made a profit of £80M!

More worryingly for them the Glaziers tooks around £46M of that to pay off the loan.

I wouldnt call that worrying at all boomer....I have always argued that on field success is what will bring the most money into the club (via sponsorship, merchandise, tv money etc etc) and that could help service the debt. Instead of that our club services the debt by developing players to the point where they have a big value and sell them to our rivals and use that cash to service our debts while all the time making our club viewed as a selling club and pushing us further away from success thue reducing the value of the club in the eyes of potential sponsors, tv companies and of course the fans Now tell me whose strategy makes more sense

[brazilianGOONER]

The other clubs have just as good if not better 4th choice CB than us.

Chelsea: Ivanovic
Man u: O'shea
Liverpool: Kyrgiakos
Spurs: Corluka
man city: onuoha
Villa: cuellar


are any of them worse than Senderos or Silvestre?

cuellar starts for villa, onuoha has potential but nothing else and he isnt gunna get the games at city, Iv only seen Kyrgiakos and he was preety crap and corluka is more of a right back. Apart from Ivanovic I would prefer big phil and DJ tbh

exactly my point, n7! i think phil has experience - having played a world cup and being part of the best defense in the history of the CL, and is a lot better than most of the fellas described above. if you compare the centreback phil with the centreback oshea, kyrgiakos, onuoha, corluka and ivanovic, i would only say ivanovic is maybe slightly better than him. if so.

but it doesn't matter, the grass is always greener on the other side...

[Boomer]

With Man U winning the Prem, the beer cup, Reaching the Finals of the CL and winning the World club cup last year they made a profit of £80M!

More worryingly for them the Glaziers tooks around £46M of that to pay off the loan.

I wouldnt call that worrying at all boomer....I have always argued that on field success is what will bring the most money into the club (via sponsorship, merchandise, tv money etc etc) and that could help service the debt. Instead of that our club services the debt by developing players to the point where they have a big value and sell them to our rivals and use that cash to service our debts while all the time making our club viewed as a selling club and pushing us further away from success thue reducing the value of the club in the eyes of potential sponsors, tv companies and of course the fans Now tell me whose strategy makes more sense

I still believe ours is a better model.
Man U are banking on success, which for the moment works. If we were to follow the same model as ManU, one of us (& Man U) would be failing. Therefore you would have a Leeds type situation.

Especially more cruical now as both Citeh and the Chavs are in a different situation and have an endless pot. Only one team can really have the success!

Our situation is only short term where as ManU's debts, dispite the £40+ payment received is still spiraling out of control. Exactly, the same reason why Liverpool are also currently fucked.