fuck off wenger...

[USMartin]

thank fuck the likes of martin and the rest of u sit on the net watching arsenal games instead of being there.i choose to get behind WHATEVER team is put out by WHATEVER manager because i support ARSENAL.
yeah things aint goin our way right now but getting on everyones back aint gonna help turn it around.
do you think THE BOARD are gonna listen to a couple of bell ends on an internet forum slagging off every little thing, or the general paying faithful who actually turn up to pay their money and actually derseve an opinion.
you sit there across the pond slaggin off this club when you've put fuck all into it(besides your obvious scars )

come back at me with what u like but bottom line is i paid £910 quid to have my opinion,most of you deserve fuck all say cos u sit there watching games on a free stream and hate the shirt,hate the manager,hate the way the club is run.

so remind me,WHY DO U SUPPORT THE ARSENAL ANYWAY???

thick and thin,good times and bad,win or lose
(ps,what did you do after wigan done us last year martin???turn ur computer off and forget about it??most of us had a 3 hour drive thinkin about it and ill do it again this yearTHATS LOYALTY,THATS SUPPORT)

I'm sooooooo impressed - you'll let yourself get ripped off over and over with no complaint because you're loyal. It costs me as much - or more - to attend one match as your season ticket btw. I spent about 1220 pounds last time for one match, about 1300 for one match before that, and have spent as many as 3000 pounds in one year to see five matches plus another 1000 just to watch the Champions League Final in a pub in Paris the same year. I've spent about 12000 pounds since 2003 seeing Arsenal In England and on the continent

So save you're "I spend more money on Arsenal I'm a better Gooner and my views matter more" for when its true or when it matters - which it only does to people like yourself who don't care enough to stand up for their club but to politely sit down for it. I'll stop - I don't want to assume to much about you as you're all too happy to do about me and anyone else who disagrees with you.

And if you think this is all about getting behind the team no matter what then you don't have the right to criticze any aspect of Arsenal inclluding the players or the manager or you're just a hypocrite. deeply. Really how to ciriticze one player or their performance if you don't care whether they would be at Arsenal or not if not for the Board's actions resulting in limiting what we invest in the team? You don't deserve to be able to question the quality of the team really because you don't want to qyustion why that's the team to begin with. Like I said earlier you're a bloke who won't vote then will be the first to complain about what a lousy job the government does and how bad the PM representing your community is.
But you'll expect people to care what you think I bet.

Really don't complain about the players this year - or the manager - or the Board - even. If you want to blame someone for Arsenal winning nothing - look in the mirror. You would rather prove how much more loyal you are by cheering Arsenal no matter what? Fine. You go ahead. Problem is we'll all be cheering Arsenal every bit as loudly. - myself included. You can pretend otherwise but you'll be disappointed.

But what's worse is we won't have to wonder if we cared enough to fight to do more for Arsenal whatever the outcome. You will have to wonder about that as it stands.

sorry,cant be bothered to read any of this^^^^^^^^^^^

im sure ive read it all before on any other topic u've posted on.

Of course not expecting you to actually know what you're talking about was a bridge too far I guess. Just like I said before - you don't read posts but complain about them. Sums you up completely to me...

[Irish Gooner]

Merse 10 just shown himself up to be a *word censored* of the highest order.

And as I said in the other thread, blokes like him who claims he is better than everyone else because he has a ST and goes away while abusing any who criticise Wenger or the club, sadly are the majority in the Emirates.

Just embarrassed he supports the same club, and that there is so many more like him around.

[IW8Goalmachine]

I still believe Wenger will make at least two more signings I'm going to give him one more chance!

[USMartin]

I still believe Wenger will make at least two more signings I'm going to give him one more chance!

I think every Gooner is in 100% agreement with you there - at least I think we all hope you're right

[Monkeymaw]

And as I said in the other thread, blokes like him who claims he is better than everyone else because he has a ST and goes away while abusing any who criticise Wenger or the club, sadly are the majority in the Emirates.

Just embarrassed he supports the same club, and that there is so many more like him around.

A supporter who goes home and away is an embarrassment? Surely he has the most right to spout off either pro or anti Wenger.

[Bring Back Pires]

Merse 10 just shown himself up to be a c**t of the highest order.

And as I said in the other thread, blokes like him who claims he is better than everyone else because he has a ST and goes away while abusing any who criticise Wenger or the club, sadly are the majority in the Emirates.

Just embarrassed he supports the same club, and that there is so many more like him around.

Fully agreed. USMartin makes some great points - which I fully endorse - and Merse 10 can't even be bothered to read it?

Then why access a forum, which is full of conversation? Merse 10 is an absolute sheep who follows whatever AW tells him. God, I'm glad my life isn't so one-dimensional. What a *word censored*.

[USMartin]

And as I said in the other thread, blokes like him who claims he is better than everyone else because he has a ST and goes away while abusing any who criticise Wenger or the club, sadly are the majority in the Emirates.

Just embarrassed he supports the same club, and that there is so many more like him around.

A supporter who goes home and away is an embarrassment? Surely he has the most right to spout off either pro or anti Wenger.

Of course merse10 does. But he was saying supporters who don't - and I suspect supporters who don't share his views - don't. I think - and I apologize if I'm speaking out of turn Irish, it is that attitude of "I spend more money and go to more matches than you so your views don't count 'is the point he was taking exception to. Every Gooner's opinion - right-or-wrong - is valid. merse10's as much as anyone else's - but he's the one suggesting otherwise really, not Irish or anyone else.

[Irish Gooner]

And as I said in the other thread, blokes like him who claims he is better than everyone else because he has a ST and goes away while abusing any who criticise Wenger or the club, sadly are the majority in the Emirates.

Just embarrassed he supports the same club, and that there is so many more like him around.

A supporter who goes home and away is an embarrassment? Surely he has the most right to spout off either pro or anti Wenger.

You just have to read his posts and even go to the Emirates and see some of the so called "supporters" to release that is not true.

And mate who missed my second point which was vital to the post. It's about abusing anyone who dares criticise Wenger.

[USMartin]

Agreed Irish. I think people have the right to question and criticize the manager - my point is that I'm not sure he is the final source of the problem. That's why we need to try to find out more as I see it. We need to solve the problem and not just make it worse possibly by just pushing out the manager and not the people possibly limiting how much he can do to improve the team.

[USMartin]

That came out a bit more critically than I meant it Irish. I just mean I agree that all our opinions are absolutely vaild to express even when we do not agree. My problem with merse10 is that he cannot disagree without being disagreeable - very disagreeable at that, and I even I reacted a bit too much to him to be honest.

[EC3]

I can't even be arsed to read US martin posts.

In fact i find difficult to take on board anyone thoughts on soccer from the US.

Bore the pants of me.

[TeeCee]

The buck stops with the manager. If Wenger didn't like what the board do he would be off, he said it himself. Therefore I blame Wenger 100% for the current state of affairs, for lying to us continually, for keeping deadwood, for giving them improved contracts, for making ridiculous team selections (Chelsea semi for instance), always making subs in the 70th minute and not when they actually need to be made, for not being tactically aware, for mollycoddling the players so much they get injured stirring a cup of tea, for making embarrassing comments on TV regularly, and worst of all, not seeing what makes this team average.
I rest my case.
The board love Wenger to pieces because he never goes to them to demand money because he never signs 'superstars', something else HE said himself.

[USMartin]

The buck stops with the manager. If Wenger didn't like what the board do he would be off, he said it himself. Therefore I blame Wenger 100% for the current state of affairs, for lying to us continually, for keeping deadwood, for giving them improved contracts, for making ridiculous team selections (Chelsea semi for instance), always making subs in the 70th minute and not when they actually need to be made, for not being tactically aware, for mollycoddling the players so much they get injured stirring a cup of tea, for making embarrassing comments on TV regularly, and worst of all, not seeing what makes this team average.
I rest my case.
The board love Wenger to pieces because he never goes to them to demand money because he never signs 'superstars', something else HE said himself.

So then you are confident that the Board will provide any new manager with significantly more funds? On what basis? What has the Board actually done since 2005 that makes you believe that the Board is prepared to spend significantly more money? Let us know please. Because we haven't seem it really.

Seriously do you really think there is another club that would paty what he gets at Arsenal to finish in the top four and with no pressure to win even one trophy and that maybe the fact that there isn't might be why he hasn't left by now?

And one more time - if you see things this way and surely the Board can see what you ccan why haven't they sacked him then? Any ideas?

Are you willing to say that you can guarantee that a different manager would spend significantly more at Arsenal no matter what? Because that is the implication you keep making here.

[selsdon]

Great post TeeCee

The thing that does me is his constant banging of the 'great desire, never say die spirit' drum of this current squad.

An insult to all the Arsenal players I grew up with and to those before them who made this club what it is.

[TeeCee]

Martin,

You're not reading my posts, you keep saying

f you see things this way and surely the Board can see what you can why haven't they sacked him then

I have answered this several times.

The board will not sack Wenger because he keeps getting a modicum of success on a budget of close to zero! Why would the board want to change him when he is spending virtually nothing and we are filling the stadium and making a profit?

Any new manager will want an agreement on a certain amount of investment being made available, but for Arsenal that is only part of the problem. There are many other things such as I mentioned above that would hopefully go away along with Wenger. My focus isn't on who will be our NEXT manager. It's the man who is there NOW who is the problem. Potential future issues are not a reason to put up with a problem that exists now!!!!!