"Liverpool could face points loss"

[g88ner]

Don't start on USMartin g88ner...we all saw what happened when you laid into ****'y...and now he's gone...

Oh right, my fault now is it!

Hmm... I seem to remember you had a rather significant role as well, so back off!

[marcengels]

Don't start on USMartin g88ner...we all saw what happened when you laid into ****'y...and now he's gone...

Oh right, my fault now is it!

Hmm... I seem to remember you had a rather significant role as well, so back off!

I can't believe the heat's coming down on me....I was just an innocent bystander. , well, a bystander watching a lion mauling a puppy

[g88ner]

Don't start on USMartin g88ner...we all saw what happened when you laid into ****'y...and now he's gone...

Oh right, my fault now is it!

Hmm... I seem to remember you had a rather significant role as well, so back off!

I can't believe the heat's coming down on me....I was just an innocent bystander. , well, a bystander watching a lion mauling a puppy

Yes, an "innocent" bystander who informed the lion as to the whereabouts of the puppy, before stepping back and watching the mauling take place...

[REB]

g88ner the internet bully

[marcengels]

Don't start on USMartin g88ner...we all saw what happened when you laid into ****'y...and now he's gone...

Oh right, my fault now is it!

Hmm... I seem to remember you had a rather significant role as well, so back off!

I can't believe the heat's coming down on me....I was just an innocent bystander. , well, a bystander watching a lion mauling a puppy

Yes, an "innocent" bystander who informed the lion as to the whereabouts of the puppy, before stepping back and watching the mauling take place...

Hang on, the lion was looking for the snake but the puppy walked up and started to try and reason with the lion. Being an angry lion, he didn't take kindly to this, and, being hungry, mauled the pup instead. I felt sorry for puppy, but he should've walked on cos that lion was pissed off.

[g88ner]

The puppy did a damn good job of containing the lion's anger, and focusing it in on said puppy. I'd like to think that without the puppies intervention, the angry lion would have caused havoc and mahem all over the place and STILL would have been put to sleep the following morning by Mike Francis the lion tamer!

Point is, puppy can sleep with a clear conscience, but can others say the say??? MARC???!

[marcengels]

The puppy did a damn good job of containing the lion's anger, and focusing it in on said puppy. I'd like to think that without the puppies intervention, the angry lion would have caused havoc and mahem all over the place and STILL would have been put to sleep the following morning by Mike Francis the lion tamer!

Point is, puppy can sleep with a clear conscience, but can others say the say??? MARC???!

I sleep like a puppy mate.

Unless Mutley's about....

[g88ner]

The puppy did a damn good job of containing the lion's anger, and focusing it in on said puppy. I'd like to think that without the puppies intervention, the angry lion would have caused havoc and mahem all over the place and STILL would have been put to sleep the following morning by Mike Francis the lion tamer!

Point is, puppy can sleep with a clear conscience, but can others say the say??? MARC???!

I sleep like a puppy mate.

Unless Mutley's about....

[USMartin]

It's all well and good to take the piss right now but for me watching what happens at United and Liverpool should only serve as a warning to all of us and hopefully to the club as well about the very real perils of getting involved with debt leverage.


Arsenal would fare no better in the same cu=ircumstance no matter what, unless you consider being a in battle to escape relegation yearly better, and that;'s in the best case scenario, with no remaining stadium debt and prudent ownership.

If we still were paying down stadium debt or had less prudent ownership our plight would be worse than Liverpool's.

Sorry to spoil the burial party but I'm more concerned about what could happen at Arsenal if we were ut in the same position which could happen.

You can get as angry at me as you want but there isn't one Gooner who can't say that isn't true in this instance and be correct. Debt leverage would kill us as surely as anyone else it can kill.

And? This is such a stupid post where you say a lot of things without actually saying anything meaningful.
Well done, you have outlined that debt leverage can be bad. I think we all alreayd knew that. We didn't require another essay to tell us so.
So we should be aware of debt leverage buy outs shall we? The same could be said of any of the other 19 clubs in the premiership so what is your point? Anyone could now come in and buy out a club on debt leverage and screw the whole club up. Could be done to Wolves, could be done to us. Not sure what your point is as we already know this. Ultimately your post is a bit like saying "Oh my god people cancer is bad! We could all die if either of us gets it! We must all be careful of cancer!"
Yes well done martin, we already know that.

No apparently you aren't because you'd rather pretend it can't happen here. That is clearly what you are suggesting.

I stopped reading the rest of your post at this. Another stupid post by you because:

1. I did NOT say that it can't happen here

2. I actually said the opposite when i said "Could be done to Wolves, could be done to us"

3. Therefore i am not pretending it can't happen here as evident in point (2) above.

4. That is not what i am "clearly suggesting".

5. Please take the time to read posts properly in the future

Have to agree with MM99 on this.

Martin, your reply to MM99's post is bizarre to say the least! - are you even sure you read his whole post? because your accusation towards him appears to be based on something he didn't actually say, and a stance you seem to have made up?!

As you know, I've accused you of putting words in people's mouths before, and this seems to be another classic example.... and it's just an observation, but you often accuse the board (and Quartz) of lying and misleading people, and I find it a little ironic that that's something you appear to do quite well yourself!

Maybe I have given you too much credit, g88ner. I used to think that it was simply bering consistent about all matters, but if you're telling me he takes seriously the possibility of this hapopoening at Arsenal and is genuinely worried about it then in fact I underestinated you, and have to think you are simply standing up for mates rather than try ing hioonestly.

Tell me what ih his tone suggested he geunienly believes iit can happen here or is that concerned. His mocking comparison to cancer? His dismissive poin about knowing that already shows he is not particularly concerned about it, not enough to say or do anything. He is in his attitude no different than the scousers no decrying what has happened at their club..

Funny how when there are numerous examples of people putting words in my mouth and other posters pof all sorts pputting words in the mouths of posters of all sorts you don't seem as vigilant about it as far as I have seen. I would have hoped you would be because my impression of you was as a solidly consistent reader of all matters and I respected you even when you called me out. As I say maybe I gave you too much credit. I hope not.

[QuartzGooner]

USMartin has spent the last five years spending lots of time on Arsenal Forums, arguing his anti-board stance, and the net result is that 11 people sign his petition?

In what way does that qualify someone to advise on marketing?

One again he posts a long and insulting post because someone disagrees with his view.
Waste of time discussing anything with him.

People should just wake up and see him for the troll he really is.

[g88ner]

[Maybe I have given you too much credit, g88ner. I used to think that it was simply bering consistent about all matters, but if you're telling me he takes seriously the possibility of this hapopoening at Arsenal and is genuinely worried about it then in fact I underestinated you, and have to think you are simply standing up for mates rather than try ing hioonestly.

That's ridiculous, Martin. Obviously, I cannot say whether MM99 is worried or not because he hasn't said either way, so unless you or I are mind readers, then how the fuck are we supposed to know?!

You say it's CLEAR that he'd rather pretend it couldn't happen to us, yet read his post and, not only does he NOT say that, but he CLEARLY points out that "it could happen to Wolves, it could happen to us" - now, you could have asked him to expand on his views, but why bother when you're more than happy to make his mind up for him, and bypass the whole discussion. After all, it might just bait him into replying anyway, so who cares about putting words in his mouth, eh?!

If you think i've been inconsistent, then fine, but I think I've been pretty consistent in suggesting you should stop putting words in people's mouth, and, in my opinion, you've done it again. I just don't think it's necessary, as there's enough to debate as it is without seeking out extra material that isn't necessarily there.

[USMartin]

[Maybe I have given you too much credit, g88ner. I used to think that it was simply bering consistent about all matters, but if you're telling me he takes seriously the possibility of this hapopoening at Arsenal and is genuinely worried about it then in fact I underestinated you, and have to think you are simply standing up for mates rather than try ing hioonestly.

That's ridiculous, Martin. Obviously, I cannot say whether MM99 is worried or not because he hasn't said either way, so unless you or I are mind readers, then how the fuck are we supposed to know?!

You say it's CLEAR that he'd rather pretend it couldn't happen to us, yet read his post and, not only does he NOT say that, but he CLEARLY points out that "it could happen to Wolves, it could happen to us" - now, you could have asked him to expand on his views, but why bother when you're more than happy to make his mind up for him, and bypass the whole discussion. After all, it might just bait him into replying anyway, so who cares about putting words in his mouth, eh?!

If you think i've been inconsistent, then fine, but I think I've been pretty consistent in suggesting you should stop putting words in people's mouth, and, in my opinion, you've done it again. I just don't think it's necessary, as there's enough to debate as it is without seeking out extra material that isn't necessarily there.

The fact that he suggests it can happen to Wolves the same way it could to ignoires the fact that we in fact appear to be selling out and the likely buyer has just lost a lot of money that could have gone toward buying the club that he has put into fully taking over an American team. The idea hthat it is likely to happen at Wolves at Arsenal given those facts is utterly dismissive of the possibility at this point.

Any boat can sink but that doesn't mean a boat you know has holes in it is no more likely to sink than one you no does not simply because they both might. This is clearly him dismissing the issue or else he is showing a tiny bit of unawareness or ignorance of the facts behind it.

Then his whole debt lkeverage is bad we know that is asimilalrly dismaissive. Its not simply bad at all it could either see us enter into a decline of indefinite severity and length, or even could see us end up like Liverpool now or dareisay it Leeds. I don't think it's merely bad by a long shot.

[olgitgooner]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

[MM99]

[Maybe I have given you too much credit, g88ner. I used to think that it was simply bering consistent about all matters, but if you're telling me he takes seriously the possibility of this hapopoening at Arsenal and is genuinely worried about it then in fact I underestinated you, and have to think you are simply standing up for mates rather than try ing hioonestly.

That's ridiculous, Martin. Obviously, I cannot say whether MM99 is worried or not because he hasn't said either way, so unless you or I are mind readers, then how the fuck are we supposed to know?!

You say it's CLEAR that he'd rather pretend it couldn't happen to us, yet read his post and, not only does he NOT say that, but he CLEARLY points out that "it could happen to Wolves, it could happen to us" - now, you could have asked him to expand on his views, but why bother when you're more than happy to make his mind up for him, and bypass the whole discussion. After all, it might just bait him into replying anyway, so who cares about putting words in his mouth, eh?!

If you think i've been inconsistent, then fine, but I think I've been pretty consistent in suggesting you should stop putting words in people's mouth, and, in my opinion, you've done it again. I just don't think it's necessary, as there's enough to debate as it is without seeking out extra material that isn't necessarily there.

The fact that he suggests it can happen to Wolves the same way it could to ignoires the fact that we in fact appear to be selling out and the likely buyer has just lost a lot of money that could have gone toward buying the club that he has put into fully taking over an American team. The idea hthat it is likely to happen at Wolves at Arsenal given those facts is utterly dismissive of the possibility at this point.

Any boat can sink but that doesn't mean a boat you know has holes in it is no more likely to sink than one you no does not simply because they both might. This is clearly him dismissing the issue or else he is showing a tiny bit of unawareness or ignorance of the facts behind it.

Then his whole debt lkeverage is bad we know that is asimilalrly dismaissive. Its not simply bad at all it could either see us enter into a decline of indefinite severity and length, or even could see us end up like Liverpool now or dareisay it Leeds. I don't think it's merely bad by a long shot.

What on earth are you blabbing about? Why are you going into minute details that have nothing to do with my original point? I thought g88ner had adequately made clear how you were wrong in your reply to me and yet you've managed to dodge acceptance by bringing up an irrelevant topic!

I never said that what could happen to us could happen to Wolves IN THE EXACT SAME WAY. Why are you putting words into my mouth again? I wasn't going in that much depth, all i was saying was that EVERY club in this league can succumb to a debt leverage buy out. That doesn't mean that i was saying each takeover would be EXACTLY identical

Also, if you didn't understand my "yes martin, we know debt leverage is bad" let me explan it again. I am NOT, repeat, NOT, being dismissive of the dangers of a debt leverage buy out. Nor am i downplaying the consequences it could potentailly have on us as a club. All i am saying is that you talking about it is like saying to people that if you run into a busy road you could get hit by a car. You are pointing out the obvious where you have no need to for the sake of creating another post about the board. When having a conversation with friends of mine i don't suddenly shout out "Be aware you don't stick your hand in the electrical plug! You could get electrocuted!" That is what your original post was like in this thread as you in essence shouted out "Debt leverage is potentially bad! We must be aware of it!"

My point being that we all know that debt leverage buy outs could potentially end very badly and put us in a shit position, but it just didn't need pointing out. Hopefully you won't conjur up another "argument" to shift responsibility and are man enough to admit you were wrong.

[RossieGooner]

This thread hurts my head.....