WENGER OUT

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:45 am

Of course should have known better than to expect an honest debate from you. Your blind faith in the Board and preserving that no matter what takes precedence over all. The truth doesn't matter to you protecting the faith in what Arsenal used to be does. You aren't alone just really obvious about it

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:55 am

northbankbren wrote:prove it.

It's all right there, but when you wnat to believe the Board no matter what I guess its okay to demand more evidence agianst them than you feel is needed to make the case for them,isn't it? All you need is for them to say and oit's automatically true which only lets them break your heart in the end when it breaks...like this afternoon...

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:40 am

I'm sorry Martin but you cannot blame everything on the board.

Wenger picks the players. The board have publicly stated they do not get involved in that end of things.

Wenger has money to spend. The board (and Wenger) have publicly stated this.

It is up to Wenger to pick the right players, buy the right players and manage the team to success.

Yes, none of us are overly fond of the board. But then what are the other options. A leaveraged buy-out? Debt forever? They may be businessmen first but they are (mostly) Arsenal fans too. This current board are probably the best of a bad lot.

The board's only true failing to my mind is that they have stuck with Wenger for too long, out of fear of the unknown (IMHO).

I must still be pissed getting into this argument!!

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:46 am

Usmartin and another of his "lets defend wenger" debates

Lets call it what it is.......wenger is a *word censored* that has past his sell by date and should fcuk off either now or in the summer

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:50 am

Number 5 wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
Number 5 wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
piresistible wrote:surprise surprise
fuck off fuck off

Give a brother small credit.

He managed to copy his own post, surprise. And lengthen it by another word copy and pasted from himself.

Surprise.

Evolution man.
It's certainly a step forward for him!
A step upright might be more helpful for this dude.

He more than likely lifted those words from this website!!!

http://www.surprisesurprise.com/n/

kgw129 · Post by **kgw129** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:51 pm

USMartin wrote:
Irish Gooner wrote:
Arsenal 1991 wrote:
Irish Gooner wrote:Seriously though, he should go in May if we dont win anything.
and if he doesn't sell the crap and sign the players we all know we need, then I agree.
Dont fall into that transfer cycle. He wont, he never does and he never has.

Its bullshit imo.

Fact is, May no trophy, should be Wenger gone.
But how do you explain the transfer activity from 1998-2005? Was he forced to do that? And if so why did they stop forcing him? And if so and hewas asopposed to it as you seem to suggest, why didn't he quite them when he was the peak of his desirability as a manager?

The point is that we can't fall into the cycle of anew manager will autmatically be gibven the money needed to make the changes needed and hold onto the players we have to hold onto now.

Its just like the old line about buying for buying's sack what good is it if in the end this is just a sacking for sacking's sake? What does it accomplish to replace him with a man who at best keeps us third or fourth year after year let alone moves us backward from where we are, and those are the only realistic scenarios so long as the financial policies in place now remain in place.

For fucks sake US Martin. Is it lack of money that means our centre back and goalkeeper cannot organise themselves to clear an up and under into the penalty area? The mistake would embarrass a sunday league side let alone a premiership sde in a cup final at wembley. It is the managers job to get them organised and he does not need bloody money for that! We can argue about the boards financial policy until we are blue in the face but to do so completely misses the point. The players that we have are more than good enough (even with the injury to Fabregas) to beat a journeyman Birmingham City side in a cup final and the fact that they do not is fuck all to do with money but due to the fact that the manager simply does not understand or even see the need to organise his defence (Koscielny and Szczesny are hardly bad players but no organisation will always lead to mistakes no matter who the personel) which is an act of gross negligence and which in my opinion should mean that no trophies this season should mean the sack for Wenger at the end of it. Any new manager worth his salt would not need many if any major signings (with the possible exception of a commanding centre back) to get this group of players organised and winning trophies and to suggest otherwise simply perpetuates the "a top 4 place will do" attitude that is prevalant at the club. I for one would take the risk of perhaps dropping out of the top 4 for a season or two if it meant that a trophy or two could be won. What is the point, other than making money, in Wenger continually qualifying for the Champions League when he never wins it (this is his 13th attempt) and does not win anything else either?

Post by **flash gunner** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:55 pm

Im beginning to hate wenger now and this is the best Arsenal manager in our clubs history but he is fuvking up his legacy now and should fucking go

Bring Back Pires · Post by **Bring Back Pires** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:57 pm

flash gunner wrote:Im beginning to hate wenger now and this is the best Arsenal manager in our clubs history but he is fuvking up his legacy now and should fucking go

I'd say that he has fucked up his legacy. Not just by yesterday, but gradually over the last six years.

kgw129 · Post by **kgw129** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:57 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:I'm sorry Martin but you cannot blame everything on the board.

Wenger picks the players. The board have publicly stated they do not get involved in that end of things.

Wenger has money to spend. The board (and Wenger) have publicly stated this.

It is up to Wenger to pick the right players, buy the right players and manage the team to success.

Yes, none of us are overly fond of the board. But then what are the other options. A leaveraged buy-out? Debt forever? They may be businessmen first but they are (mostly) Arsenal fans too. This current board are probably the best of a bad lot.

The board's only true failing to my mind is that they have stuck with Wenger for too long, out of fear of the unknown (IMHO).

I must still be pissed getting into this argument!!

Agreed, the current board are probably the best of a bad lot (would we prefer the Glaziers or Hicks and Gillete?) and the boards biggest failing is sticking with Wenger for far too long, out of fear of the unknown. Could not have put it better myself.

Post by **flash gunner** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:11 pm

augie wrote:Usmartin and another of his "lets defend wenger" debates

Lets call it what it is.......wenger is a c**t that has past his sell by date and should fcuk off either now or in the summer

USMartin is a Wenger apologist, he will type anything to deflect the blame from the real cause

goonerchump · Post by **goonerchump** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:22 pm

Can I just ask, if (apparently) most people get their wish and AW does walk away, who takes over? I'm struggling to find someone who I would deem to be good enough to firstly keep the team competing in all competitions, and secondly move up a level and actually win them?

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:22 pm

goonerchump wrote:Can I just ask, if (apparently) most people get their wish and AW does walk away, who takes over? I'm struggling to find someone who I would deem to be good enough to firstly keep the team competing in all competitions, and secondly move up a level and actually win them?

Remember Arsene who?

Bring Back Pires · Post by **Bring Back Pires** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:27 pm

goonerchump wrote:Can I just ask, if (apparently) most people get their wish and AW does walk away, who takes over? I'm struggling to find someone who I would deem to be good enough to firstly keep the team competing in all competitions, and secondly move up a level and actually win them?

As somebody who wants AW out, I'm not expecting us to necessarily find a replacement who can win trophies straight away. It's like when a new government takes over - before they can progress, they need to address the mistakes that were made by the previous regime, and rectifying those mistakes won't be an instant process (unless the new manager comes in and replaces every player and member of staff immediately).

All I want is someone to freshen things up. Someone to address our areas of weakness, and not necessarily be so frugal with the transfer kitty out of pure stubbornness. Okay, so we may come fifth or sixth in our first couple of seasons after Wenger's departure, but he can't stay forevery anyway, so why not speed up the procedure and start making amends now? As it's pretty clear to me that we're on a road to nowhere, footballing-wise at least.

mrgnu1958 · Post by **mrgnu1958** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:27 pm

everyones just very upset right now and rightly so.
But..i hope and pray arsene prooves us wrong and wins something this season

goonerchump · Post by **goonerchump** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:27 pm

Arsenal 1991 wrote:
goonerchump wrote:Can I just ask, if (apparently) most people get their wish and AW does walk away, who takes over? I'm struggling to find someone who I would deem to be good enough to firstly keep the team competing in all competitions, and secondly move up a level and actually win them?
Remember Arsene who?

Won't happen ever again IMO, there would be outrage if he leaves and we bring in an unkown...Wenger gets enough stick for signing players nobody's ever heard of