So Samba might be on his way

Babu · Post by **Babu** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:20 pm

Rosie_titters wrote:i think we need two very good in the air CB like Samba and Alex and push TV5 to left back,

i think then with Szchesney, Sagna, Alex, Samba and TV5 in defence we should hopefully be able to deal with corners and set pieces

That would be my perfect scenario as well. TV5 at left back ( to replace Clichy, who's off, although I wish he would stay ), and get two commanding centre halves in. Djourou as back-up, as he's not good enough to start, and Sagna as right back.

Who are the two centre backs? And more importantly how much money will we spend?

I don't want to dream too much, but Mats Hummels and Neven Subotić from Dortmund would be nice.*

if that's not possible then Cahill or Samba might work out, but only if we get a decent central defensive midfielder, like Inler, who would be brilliant for us, or adapt our system and hope that Ramsey and Jack are strong enough next season.

*I do realise that Dortmund are Bundesliga champs, and it's totally unrealistic, but that would be a good couple of transfers.

1989 · Post by **1989** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:20 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:
1989 wrote:
Bergkamp-Genius wrote:Djourou's not hopeless...he's not a bad CB, he's pretty strong in the air and he's pretty quick...he needs a good run in the team without injury and a steady partner before you'll see the best of him though...
Djourou reminds me of a young Ferdinand.

Wouldn't give up on him just yet.
He's fucking shit, we tolerated him last year because he was the only defender that showed any sort of form, normal service resumed in the last few games.

He was our best CB last season. He's not great but he's not shit either.

For shit look no further than Squillaci.

Gunnersaurus · Post by **Gunnersaurus** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:22 pm

You just said it mate, he was our best centre back and then slated one of the others.

It don't mean he is good, the best of a bad bunch springs to mind.

Rosie_titters · Post by **Rosie_titters** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:25 pm

LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
Rosie_titters wrote:i think we need two very good in the air CB like Samba and Alex and push TV5 to left back,

i think then with Szchesney, Sagna, Alex, Samba and TV5 in defence we should hopefully be able to deal with corners and set pieces

How tall do you think our back four need to be?

I mean barca's back four are all sort of average height for their respective position, it's all about positioning and orginisation when defending corners.

you can't compare us to Barca or the PL to La Liga - clearly for last few seasons we have struggled at set pieces and corners the stats don't lie,

1989 · Post by **1989** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:28 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:You just said it mate, he was our best centre back and then slated one of the others.

It don't mean he is good, the best of a bad bunch springs to mind.

Agree that he was the best out of a bad bunch. Still wouldn't call him shit though, think his last few games are clouding your view on him a bit cuz he was not bad before his injury. He's a decent back up player with room for improvment, that's all.

LeftfootlegendGooner · Mon May 30, 2011 8:29 pm

Rosie_titters wrote:LeftfootlegendGooner wrote: Rosie_titters wrote: i think we need two very good in the air CB like Samba and Alex and push TV5 to left back,

i think then with Szchesney, Sagna, Alex, Samba and TV5 in defence we should hopefully be able to deal with corners and set pieces

How tall do you think our back four need to be?

I mean barca's back four are all sort of average height for their respective position, it's all about positioning and orginisation when defending corners.

you can't compare us to Barca or the PL to La Liga - clearly for last few seasons we have struggled at set pieces and corners the stats don't lie,

Well they have beaten plenty of the elite pl teams recently including the champions

Bergkamp-Genius · Post by **Bergkamp-Genius** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:30 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:
1989 wrote:
Bergkamp-Genius wrote:Djourou's not hopeless...he's not a bad CB, he's pretty strong in the air and he's pretty quick...he needs a good run in the team without injury and a steady partner before you'll see the best of him though...
Djourou reminds me of a young Ferdinand.

Wouldn't give up on him just yet.
He's fucking shit, we tolerated him last year because he was the only defender that showed any sort of form, normal service resumed in the last few games.

''Fuckin shit'' come off it....i'll admit he's no Bouldy or Keown but he has all the attributes of a very good CB... what he and we need is a good defensive coach and an experienced quality CB partner who is capable of organising the defence whilst the game is in motion...

LeftfootlegendGooner · Mon May 30, 2011 8:32 pm

Rosie_titters wrote:LeftfootlegendGooner wrote: Rosie_titters wrote: i think we need two very good in the air CB like Samba and Alex and push TV5 to left back,

i think then with Szchesney, Sagna, Alex, Samba and TV5 in defence we should hopefully be able to deal with corners and set pieces

How tall do you think our back four need to be?

I mean barca's back four are all sort of average height for their respective position, it's all about positioning and orginisation when defending corners.

you can't compare us to Barca or the PL to La Liga - clearly for last few seasons we have struggled at set pieces and corners the stats don't lie,

I agree with the problem of defending set pieces and I agree that we have shite defenders bar sagna but putting lumbering giants at the back is not the answer IMO.

LeftfootlegendGooner · Mon May 30, 2011 8:34 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:Because they are shit but how many clubs did we fight off for Henry or Bergkamp?

It works both ways.

Buy we did have competition for those players, we just paid big money at the time, totally different.

LeftfootlegendGooner · Mon May 30, 2011 8:37 pm

Bergkamp-Genius wrote:Gunnersaurus wrote: 1989 wrote: Bergkamp-Genius wrote: Djourou's not hopeless...he's not a bad CB, he's pretty strong in the air and he's pretty quick...he needs a good run in the team without injury and a steady partner before you'll see the best of him though...
Djourou reminds me of a young Ferdinand.

Wouldn't give up on him just yet.

He's fucking shit, we tolerated him last year because he was the only defender that showed any sort of form, normal service resumed in the last few games.

''Fuckin shit'' come off it....i'll admit he's no Bouldy or Keown but he has all the attributes of a very good CB... what he and we need is a good defensive coach and an experienced quality CB partner who is capable of organising the defence whilst the game is in motion...

Agree that of all our defenders the one that did show promise was djourou but he went a bit pear shaped at the end but indeed this could be down to the players with him and the lack of midfield cover.

We deffo need someone to organise the defence, that is a given.

Gunnersaurus · Post by **Gunnersaurus** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:37 pm

1989 wrote:
Gunnersaurus wrote:You just said it mate, he was our best centre back and then slated one of the others.

It don't mean he is good, the best of a bad bunch springs to mind.
Agree that he was the best out of a bad bunch. Still wouldn't call him shit though, think his last few games are clouding your view on him a bit cuz he was not bad before his injury. He's a decent back up player with room for improvment, that's all.

That's it in a nutshell, he is a good back up, we shouldn't be looking at him or thinking he is good enough for the first team, last year he had a good run in the team, he had quite a few solid games but it was solid at best simply because we had to endure the Koscienly/Squillaci partnership which was train wreck.

The last few games ain't clouding my judgement, I'm judging him on his time at the club, 3rd or 4th choice at best, playing 20+ games is criminal, would rather have Wes Brown.

Gunnersaurus · Post by **Gunnersaurus** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:38 pm

LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
Gunnersaurus wrote:Because they are shit but how many clubs did we fight off for Henry or Bergkamp?

It works both ways.
Buy we did have competition for those players, we just paid big money at the time, totally different.

But we had no competition so by your logic they are shit.

LeftfootlegendGooner · Mon May 30, 2011 8:41 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:LeftfootlegendGooner wrote: Gunnersaurus wrote: Because they are shit but how many clubs did we fight off for Henry or Bergkamp?

It works both ways.

Buy we did have competition for those players, we just paid big money at the time, totally different.

But we had no competition so by your logic they are shit.

Your argument is flawed cos you refuse to believe opposing facts so can't be arsed, like arguing with a woman ;)

1989 · Post by **1989** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:45 pm

LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
Rosie_titters wrote:LeftfootlegendGooner wrote: Rosie_titters wrote: i think we need two very good in the air CB like Samba and Alex and push TV5 to left back,

i think then with Szchesney, Sagna, Alex, Samba and TV5 in defence we should hopefully be able to deal with corners and set pieces

How tall do you think our back four need to be?

I mean barca's back four are all sort of average height for their respective position, it's all about positioning and orginisation when defending corners.

you can't compare us to Barca or the PL to La Liga - clearly for last few seasons we have struggled at set pieces and corners the stats don't lie,
I agree with the problem of defending set pieces and I agree that we have shite defenders bar sagna but putting lumbering giants at the back is not the answer IMO.

What in your opinion is the answer then mate?

We concede shitloads from set pieces so surely a big lump would help solve this problem? In this league having a big powerful defender is imperative because you face more Stoke's and Blackburn's than ManU's and Chelsea's. We have far too many ball players back there and not old fashioned CB's who only know how to defend and will put their bollocks on the line for the team. Samba would fit the bill. His performance against West Ham at Upton Park was defensive performance of the year for me.

Above all though we need to improve our defensive organization and tactics because for far too long we have been as penetrable as KingJayson's arsehole. Time to sort the defense out once and for all, whether by bringing in a defensive coach or focusing our game more on defending.

Gunnersaurus · Post by **Gunnersaurus** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:45 pm

LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
Gunnersaurus wrote:LeftfootlegendGooner wrote: Gunnersaurus wrote: Because they are shit but how many clubs did we fight off for Henry or Bergkamp?

It works both ways.

Buy we did have competition for those players, we just paid big money at the time, totally different.

But we had no competition so by your logic they are shit.
Your argument is flawed cos you refuse to believe opposing facts so can't be arsed, like arguing with a woman

How is it flawed? I'm just asking the question, if a player is not good enough because one of the top clubs are not trying to get in first then how do you explain those two?

I'm only seeing one flawed logic here.

If a player fits then he fits, I doubt Chelsea or us made a move for Hernandez, is he shit?