Cesc saga ending?

[augie]

Say what you like about Wright but his goals speak for themselves and he also helped deliver the club the odd Cup, he played in a worse side, without his goals it would have been a lot worse, Fabregas has done nothing but get quite a few assists and be the star man of a failing team that has been built around him, in a sense your criticism of Wrighty needing the world to revolve around him can be levelled at Fabregas.

Hold on now be fair.......cesc is without doubt a world class talent that could play for any team in the world where as wrighty, while being an outstanding club goalscorer, never looked good enough for international football. If memory serves me correctly it was wrighty that got rioch sacked as manager (I will never agree with any player having that much influence) and it was the same ian wright that hung out of the highbury dressing room window shouting abuse at Gooners on the streets below him Outstanding goalscorer yes but never in cesc's class as a footballer nor as a clubman

[Irish Gooner]

Wright was great but never world class.

We also had players like Dennis Bergkamp, Nicholas Anelka and Thierry Henry to soften the blow, not too shabby eh...

Who will soften this departure?

Fabregas is the captain, the string puller, and bar Wilshere our only top class player.

Also competition now is fierce, unlike years ago when it was just us and United the rest were mostly rubbish.

Spurs
Liverpool
United
City
Chelsea
Villa with a good manager.


Theres only 4 CL places, and we finished 4th this year. They are all improving their squads, we are selling our best player.

Some people dont seem to realise there is not much difference in level between us and the others and losing Fabregas is enough to fall out these days.

[Babu]

Cesc represents a failed era at the club so losing him will be bad but keep it in perspective, we are failing with him and if he stays will fail again, something drastic needs to change at the club and Cesc staying or going is only a small part of that.

Perspective.

WOW!

IMO, humble as it is, but imo we are only still hanging on to a semblance of respectability because of Cesc. If/when he goes we will plummet. We have nothing else in our arsenal apart from RvP who might or might not play 20 games next season.

We are failing because of the total and utter shite that Cesc has to play with, and when he goes we will get hiding after hiding from the WBA's and Newcastle's out there, as we have been well and truly sussed out.

It is only the genius of Cesc that has kept us in the Top 4 in the last few seasons. Without him we won't even make the Europa League.

When he goes it will be the end of the Wenger experiment ( a good thing ), but every other team in the PL will look at us and know that they can go out and beat us, because we have nothing left. No spirit ( what little we had was def. Cesc and also RvP ), and no style or substance.

[Dan_85]

Cesc represents a failed era at the club so losing him will be bad but keep it in perspective, we are failing with him and if he stays will fail again, something drastic needs to change at the club and Cesc staying or going is only a small part of that.

Perspective.

WOW!

IMO, humble as it is, but imo we are only still hanging on to a semblance of respectability because of Cesc. If/when he goes we will plummet. We have nothing else in our arsenal apart from RvP who might or might not play 20 games next season.

We are failing because of the total and utter shite that Cesc has to play with, and when he goes we will get hiding after hiding from the WBA's and Newcastle's out there, as we have been well and truly sussed out.

It is only the genius of Cesc that has kept us in the Top 4 in the last few seasons. Without him we won't even make the Europa League.

When he goes it will be the end of the Wenger experiment ( a good thing ), but every other team in the PL will look at us and know that they can go out and beat us, because we have nothing left. No spirit ( what little we had was def. Cesc and also RvP ), and no style or substance.

Spot on.

[Bergkamp-Genius]

I don't believe this story...more shit stirring by the media i think..i'm surprised it's taken them this long to start this bollocks up again..

Only last week Wenger was interviewed about the Nasri situation and within that interview he stated that Barca had dropped their interest in Cesc...
Now i know he talks a load of shite most of the time, but in this case he could have just as easy said Cesc is going nowhere, like he normally does.. But he didn't, he stated that Barca had dropped their interest which suggests he had been told this by Guardiola\Barca recently...

[Gunnersaurus]

How is it spot on?

Cesc missed a lot of time last year through injury or an extended break, when he did play he was never in form, we still had a shit season with him as with the year before when he was very good, the year before he played a lot, we were still shit, too much importance is put on him, class player but will only be missed in terms of success if Wenger continues to bury his head in the sand with his project.

If he goes and Nasri stays then 3 players come in to fill our glaring weaknesses then who knows, things might actually improve, it is not healthy to build so much on one player as everytime he is out (and that's a lot) we are fucked, him leaving will be the only thing to kick Wenger into action, find a plan b etc

Augie, Cesc is no club man mate but that's another topic.

[Babu]

If he goes and Nasri stays then 3 players come in to fill our glaring weaknesses then who knows, things might actually improve, it is not healthy to build so much on one player as everytime he is out (and that's a lot) we are fucked, him leaving will be the only thing to kick Wenger into action, find a plan b etc

Augie, Cesc is no club man mate but that's another topic.

OK, if ( Big IF ), but if Cesc goes, Nasri stays and we buy three World Class players then most probably we could improve.

Benaglio in goal, Inler in midfield, and Benzema to partner RvP, for example, then there could be an improvement.

Now what about Cesc stays, and we get in Benaglio, Inler and Benzema.
Would that team be better or worse than the team without Cesc?

Obviously it would be better. Cesc is World Class. Our only one at the moment. RvP is close, but injuries put him just below the very top. Jack might get there, but is a long way away as yet, all the rest are miles away.

I personally think Cesc will go, as I heard it from a close friend of his last summer. I was actually amazed that Cesc didn't go last summer, and I also think that Cesc agreed to one last season, the same as TH did.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see.

[zero 6]

I will be pissed off if Cesc and or Nasri goes, because i know we will do fuck all to replace them.
I see only tough times ahead

Cesc will go, Nasri will stay, that is the rumour that Nasri won't sign if Cesc stays as he is fed up on the wing.

I'll take that.

Would also take a player+cash deal as well.

Mascherano would do for me,

[Gunnersaurus]

If he goes and Nasri stays then 3 players come in to fill our glaring weaknesses then who knows, things might actually improve, it is not healthy to build so much on one player as everytime he is out (and that's a lot) we are fucked, him leaving will be the only thing to kick Wenger into action, find a plan b etc

Augie, Cesc is no club man mate but that's another topic.

OK, if ( Big IF ), but if Cesc goes, Nasri stays and we buy three World Class players then most probably we could improve.

Benaglio in goal, Inler in midfield, and Benzema to partner RvP, for example, then there could be an improvement.

Now what about Cesc stays, and we get in Benaglio, Inler and Benzema.
Would that team be better or worse than the team without Cesc?

Obviously it would be better. Cesc is World Class. Our only one at the moment. RvP is close, but injuries put him just below the very top. Jack might get there, but is a long way away as yet, all the rest are miles away.

I personally think Cesc will go, as I heard it from a close friend of his last summer. I was actually amazed that Cesc didn't go last summer, and I also think that Cesc agreed to one last season, the same as TH did.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see.

I think Inler has just signed for Juventus.

See what you are saying about Cesc staying but he doesn't want to be here, we all know it so him staying will just be a repeat of this year unless he suddenly decides that he wants to play for Arsenal and be the captain that he is not being.

This can't drag on all Summer or we really will be in the shit.

[Babu]

I think Inler has just signed for Juventus.

See what you are saying about Cesc staying but he doesn't want to be here, we all know it so him staying will just be a repeat of this year unless he suddenly decides that he wants to play for Arsenal and be the captain that he is not being.

This can't drag on all Summer or we really will be in the shit.

Agreed. Cesc doesn't want to be here. That's fact. He wants to go to Barca, also fact. What I was disagreeing with is that Cesc wasn't the only thing keeping us half-decent the last 4 years, and you seemed to have dismissed his contribution to The Arsenal rather too quickly and easily.

Cesc was our team for the last 4 years, and losing him will send out a huge message to all the other clubs in the PL.

Now if we replace him ( which we could possibly do with Nasri - if he stays ) and then strengthen the huge holes we all know we have, with the money we get for him, then it might all work out for the best. Who knows? I thought The Arsenal would cease to exist when I heard LB7 had left ( and to be fair it was a pretty barren time for a few years after that ), but we survived, and no player is bigger than the Club, but I think you have seriously under-valued Cesc and his contribution to this Club.

re Inler - yes, looks like he's going to Juve ( spit ), but we could have had him a few years ago. He came over to London for talks, but there was a disagreement with a clause that Inler's agent wanted in the contract so we didn't sign him. Shame, as he is seriously good and would have been just what we needed.

So that's only Benaglio and Benzema coming then.

[Supagoon]

Inler signed for juve? sh1t, he was always the midfielder we needed not players like parker. But the guy didnt want to play for us years ago when our stock was higher.

Look Cesc is our best player, it isn't good to lose your best player, Jack and Ramsey arent good enough to fill in yet, we still dont look like we'll create much without cesc. The players you suggest that we would buy with Cesc money, are the very same type of players we needed to keep Cesc at the club, and get the quality players around him.

If he is to leave the least management could do is rinse the cash out of barca for him. PS mascherano is a dream he'd never step down to play for us.

As long as Cesc has years on his contract, we have no reason to accept feable 30M offers from barca.

[Babu]

Inler signed for juve? sh1t, he was always the midfielder we needed not players like parker. But the guy didnt want to play for us years ago when our stock was higher.

As long as Cesc has years on his contract, we have no reason to accept feable 30M offers from barca.

Inler did want to play for us. He came over to see AW in London, and the sticking point was the agent, who wanted a get-out clause inserted that Inler could go for a certain amount.
He has had the same agent since he played for FC Zürich, and this clause has always been in his contract. He has a get-out clause with Udinese, for 21 Million Swiss Franks, about £15m, that's why we could have bought him, but the contract wasn't agreed on.

So now, obviously helped by his great display versus England, he is off - allegedly. His contract still has 2 years to run, but Udinese sadly seem to be selling their best players. Alexis Sanchez, their superb striker, seems destined for Barcelona, but better than him ending up at ManU, which was also a possibility, allegedly.

So now it's down to Juventus or Napoli, he hasn't signed yet, but he will be off. I still hope he will pull on the red and white, as he played for my home town team, but looks unlikely at the moment.

re Cesc: he signed a bloody long-term contract with us, so getting more money, and then got his back-dated pay as well, and now he wants to go?!? And Barca don't want to pay the going rate? I would seriously tell both of them to do one. He is worth £60m at least, and we should be getting that for him.

It's a shame we just can't sell him to Real for £70m.

[USMartin]

Henry got the very same sort of deal - at a considerably higher wage -then was sold the following summer also to Barca. I said then the new deal was aface-saving exercise soon as the rumors started up in September of 2006, and that we weren't going to risk selling him and depressing the first-season ticket sales at the Emirates.

I sense that again the deal with Cesc was a face-saving exercise to try and keep from leaving immediately, and that as with Henry in 2006 we will let barca off lightly for not going public that he clearly wanted to leave sooner.

[Babu]

Henry got the very same sort of deal - at a considerably higher wage -then was sold the following summer also to Barca. I said then the new deal was aface-saving exercise soon as the rumors started up in September of 2006, and that we weren't going to risk selling him and depressing the first-season ticket sales at the Emirates.

I sense that again the deal with Cesc was a face-saving exercise to try and keep from leaving immediately, and that as with Henry in 2006 we will let barca off lightly for not going public that he clearly wanted to leave sooner.

So you think we'll sell him to Barca this summer for 37m? I'm not even sure if it's euros or pounds, euros I guess. That would be very painful.

There are still rumours that Real will buy him though, for £54m, or 60million euros.

Reasons why I believe this or want to believe it:
1) LoadsaMoney.
2) Real need him. Barca don't.
3) Real want to get one up on Barca.
4) Mourinho knows quality.

Reason why I just can't believe it.
1) Would Cesc go to Real? Really.

I would be very disappointed in Arsenal ( Board, manager, everyone ) if they let Cesc go to Barca for what is essentially nothing.

[DUFFMAN]

We are totally fucked as to starting a bidding war over cesc. Normally , getting real,chavski,citeh and inter involved would force each club to offer the most they could possibly afford to avoid missing out on him.
Cesc knows signing for any of those sides will fuck his dream of playing for barca permanently because none of those teams would ever have to sell or be tempted by big money as it's peanuts to them all.
That's why barca know they can get away with pisstake offers as they're the only possible destination.