Poppies on the England Shirts

[augie]

Didn't I hear something about you and Limerick though?

na just live there 100% cork langer

Fixed that for you there rebs

[REB]

laois prick

[olgitgooner]

Isn't this supposed to be an Arsenal forum?
mods?

What's that all about? Love Arsenal...hate the Brits?

The Poppy Appeal is all about honouring those who died in two world wars.

That includes thousands upon thousands of Irishmen. From both sides of the border. Before, and after, it existed.

[arseofacrow]

I think Sepp has a point when he talks about football and politic...oh

http://www.transparencyinsport.org/Blat ... nster.html

[Herd]

The Poppy appeal is one I have subscribed to for years and have even taken the day off to sell flags etc( as I do with the RNLI) however I am becoming increasingly worried that the appeal and the support for the troops movement and the good people of Royal Wootton Basset are being cynically manipulated by those who continue to wage war ie the Government of the UK and it's boss the USA.

It's easy to mistake support for brave ground troops with support for unjustifiable wars such as we are still waging in Afghanistan where the population are still being murdered by both sides of this horrific conflict.

The involvement of Football clubs in all this also makes me feel this way .

[LDB]

The Poppy appeal is one I have subscribed to for years and have even taken the day off to sell flags etc( as I do with the RNLI) however I am becoming increasingly worried that the appeal and the support for the troops movement and the good people of Royal Wootton Basset are being cynically manipulated by those who continue to wage war ie the Government of the UK and it's boss the USA.

It's easy to mistake support for brave ground troops with support for unjustifiable wars such as we are still waging in Afghanistan where the population are still being murdered by both sides of this horrific conflict.

The involvement of Football clubs in all this also makes me feel this way .

Herd, im gonna have to go shower after this post but i agree with you. The massive, sudden, unexplained surge in the poppy a few years back and the fact you can barely move now without running into something about "our boys" has the dodgy whiff of government marketing spivs. Its become a bit like the AKB cult these days, to question the war(s) is to question the troops just like to question Wenger is to hate the club.

It is worrying but the fact that fifa can get to fuck is an entirely separate issue.

[LDB]

First let me say I have no problem with the wearing of poppies, my father was in the royal navy during the second world war, and always wore a poppy at this time of year.
I do however see were fifa/uefa are coming from on this.

I can't see how Sid.

FIFA have stated they haven't allowed this as they prohibit religious or political messages on shirts but the waering of a poppy has nothing to do with faith and is not lnked to a political movement in any way.

It is simply honouring those who are no longer around!

England will be playing Spain, who were shall we say, friendly with Mussolini and Hitler during the war. Fascism is also still alive and kicking in Spain, with many of it's people longing for a return to the days of Franco.
The wearing of a poppy is still very much assosciated with remembering those who fought in the second world war, and is rightly or wrongly somewhat considered a symbol of nationalism.
And it could unfortunately be used by extremists from both sides to cause trouble.
I just think it is best left for the lapel of a jacket, rather than a sports jersey.

In summary, England should not upset Spain's facist sensibilities.

We're going to win their hearts & minds

[REB]

Isn't this supposed to be an Arsenal forum?
mods?

What's that all about? Love Arsenal...hate the Brits?

The Poppy Appeal is all about honouring those who died in two world wars.

That includes thousands upon thousands of Irishmen. From both sides of the border. Before, and after, it existed.

which is why more and more irish people now wear a poppy ,my mother always buys one,
times have changed kev and we dont hate you lot anymore

[Percy Dalton]

Herd I have to disagree on that.

I think people have become more aware just how unjustified the loss of life is and the sadness that goes with that makes people want to honour those lost more.

I also think that this generation now understands what it is to be at war and to lose life hence the poppy movement is more relevant now to many.

[SWLGooner]

How is this thread not football related? I don't follow CCG.

[goonersid]

Isn't this supposed to be an Arsenal forum?
mods?

What's that all about? Love Arsenal...hate the Brits?

The Poppy Appeal is all about honouring those who died in two world wars.

That includes thousands upon thousands of Irishmen. From both sides of the border. Before, and after, it existed.

which is why more and more irish people now wear a poppy ,my mother always buys one,
times have changed kev and we dont hate you lot anymore

Speak for yourself, ya brit lovin traitor.

[safcftm]

Herd I have to disagree on that.

I think people have become more aware just how unjustified the loss of life is and the sadness that goes with that makes people want to honour those lost more.

I also think that this generation now understands what it is to be at war and to lose life hence the poppy movement is more relevant now to many.

I'd agree with this. I think people feel the need to display the poppy partly because there has been so much criticism of the wars in Afghanistan/ Iraq and want to make sure they show that their criticism of the conflicts in themselves is in no way a criticism of the brave men and women who are risking their lives there. At the same time, people see cuts in the armed forces and people coming back with injuries and not getting proper support from the government and want to show their support. Obviously there is also the sentiment which has always been there of wanting to pay respects to all of those who fought in the world wars. The clubs all getting involved does seem a bit "PR"ish but at the end of the day they auction off these strips and it raises good money for organisations like Help for Heroes etc so I dont have a problem with it.

I'm not saying the government dont push it for their own ends, I'm sure they do, and sometimes you feel as if there is almost a poppy mafia where any poor fucker who turns up on TV any time near to remembrance day without a poppy gets castigated (SAFC had that last season in fact- we had poppy shirts on for one game but then went, iirc, to Stamford Bridge live on sky without and got all sorts of abuse for it- fact is we only ever do one match in the shirts and then auction them off and its always the nearest home match not just the nearest match but the wankers complaining didnt know this and just wanted any excuse to get on their high horse), but on the whole its a good thing and if the clubs/ FA want to have poppies on shirts to show support then its something I encourage regardless of whether it is a new "trend" or not

[Rugby Gooner]

Isn't this supposed to be an Arsenal forum?
mods?

Sorry mate,I just thought that this was a current "Football" issue,and was interested to hear other peoples opinions on it.
My view is that England should wear them as The Poppy is not Political,Religious or Commercial.(the three catergories which FIFA use to ban "emblems" on National shirts).
Mods,feel free to Basement.

P.S. Cork,why are Chelsea and Rangers "The forces of darkness"?

[Cork City Gooner]

The Poppy appeal is one I have subscribed to for years and have even taken the day off to sell flags etc( as I do with the RNLI) however I am becoming increasingly worried that the appeal and the support for the troops movement and the good people of Royal Wootton Basset are being cynically manipulated by those who continue to wage war ie the Government of the UK and it's boss the USA.

It's easy to mistake support for brave ground troops with support for unjustifiable wars such as we are still waging in Afghanistan where the population are still being murdered by both sides of this horrific conflict.

The involvement of Football clubs in all this also makes me feel this way .

Herd, im gonna have to go shower after this post but i agree with you. The massive, sudden, unexplained surge in the poppy a few years back and the fact you can barely move now without running into something about "our boys" has the dodgy whiff of government marketing spivs. Its become a bit like the AKB cult these days, to question the war(s) is to question the troops just like to question Wenger is to hate the club.

It is worrying but the fact that fifa can get to fuck is an entirely separate issue.

At last the voices of reason. Thanks lads for adding a sprinkling of common sense to the debate.

And while I'm here (this is my last entry on this topic, wouldn't want to overstay my welcome in PercyDalton's gaff) let me state for the record.

I don't think UEFA, FIFA or anyone else should dictate the design of any football shirts. If England want to have a poppy or any other flower on their football shirts that should be a decision for the English FA to make.

[Barriecuda]

The Poppy appeal is one I have subscribed to for years and have even taken the day off to sell flags etc( as I do with the RNLI) however I am becoming increasingly worried that the appeal and the support for the troops movement and the good people of Royal Wootton Basset are being cynically manipulated by those who continue to wage war ie the Government of the UK and it's boss the USA.

It's easy to mistake support for brave ground troops with support for unjustifiable wars such as we are still waging in Afghanistan where the population are still being murdered by both sides of this horrific conflict.

The involvement of Football clubs in all this also makes me feel this way .

Herd, im gonna have to go shower after this post but i agree with you. The massive, sudden, unexplained surge in the poppy a few years back and the fact you can barely move now without running into something about "our boys" has the dodgy whiff of government marketing spivs. Its become a bit like the AKB cult these days, to question the war(s) is to question the troops just like to question Wenger is to hate the club.

It is worrying but the fact that fifa can get to fuck is an entirely separate issue.

At last the voices of reason. Thanks lads for adding a sprinkling of common sense to the debate.

And while I'm here (this is my last entry on this topic, wouldn't want to overstay my welcome in PercyDalton's gaff) let me state for the record.

I don't think UEFA, FIFA or anyone else should dictate the design of any football shirts. If England want to have a poppy or any other flower on their football shirts that should be a decision for the English FA to make.

I agree with that. FIFA is supposed to be a body to facilitate the game being played by nationals against one another; not to facilitate those terms. The organization's power has simply become far too great. However I do like that national team kits can't display sponsors.

I still find it insulting that while the English players won't be honoring thei lost, the Spanish will be wearing that fucking stupid "World Cup Winners" medal The medal is pretty much a big advertisement for FIFA. How is that not "commercial" ?

And for the record, if it wasn't for the resilience of Britain we wouldn't even have this issue; we would have all been playing fussball under the Aryan National League. Obviously a "neutral" country doesn't think about that, however. And I use the term "neutral" very, very loosely.

The Spanish FA should be supporting England's request in the matter, that's all there is to it.