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topgoon wrote:Daryl and a few others on here seem insistent on ignoring Suarez own admission of referring to Evra's colour and I can't be arsed to keep arguing the toss.
He said it, He admitted he said it, they weren't mates so it was said as a bate and insult/patronising remark.
Call me fat, call me ugly but leave my colour out of it. If you can't see why that should be considered offensive then you should get a history lesson. FYI some people chose to be fat no one chooses to be black.
The ban is not excessive. If you think it is excessive then try the same remark at work and see if the boss gives you just a PAID week off work to'reflect'.
It's quite sad that Suarez's comments are being subtly condoned by some on here.
I went to school in Scotland in the late 70s when shit like this was being done by even teachers, sad to see that some on here think it's no big deal to make my colour their main point of reference when they insult me.
All I will say is don't do it to my face
Don't play the race card. I dont condone racism, but is calling a black man black racist? I'm ginger and guess what my nickname is at work? Ginge. Simple as that. I'd say it's like calling a spade, a spade, but no doubt that would be "racist"
The ban is excessive. If the FA feel Rooney being banned for 3 games after assaulting someone (No 2 ways about it, it was assault) was excessive, then so is this. No matter what is said, it's still just words. Sticks and stones, all that. Now, if Suarez had said it and did that queer slap that footballers like to do, the ban would be justified.
Edit to add 2 points:
1) Suarez didnt admit to being deliberately racist, referring to someone's colour isnt the same as insulting someone for it.
It’s an emotive issue and we’ve had a few ding dongs on here before with relation to it.
I will say one thing though; there genuinely can be a cultural misinterpretation of what is considered racist, racial abuse, racial discrimination, racial stereotyping and even casual uninformed unintentional racism.
I deplore racism, always have, always will. I have black friends, Asian friends. I’m a multi-culturist. But I admit I have laughed at jokes that would have relied on racial stereotyping for their content or punchline. Similarly I have laughed at jokes that would be offensive to gays, feminists and victims of abuse. Hey – I have a very broad sense of humour, but I wouldn’t consider that discriminating against them, no matter how inappropriate. Similarly I can laugh at Paddy jokes, though I have mates that would kick you into a coma for just calling them “Paddyâ€
DarylAFC wrote:
Fair enough saying he's not in South America anymore, but if he didn't know the culture here then he should have researched it before coming here, but it's not really different from when a British woman gets arrested or indecency in dubai for wearing a bikini is it? Yes they should have looked into the local laws and customs but they didnt 'mean' to offend.
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Think that is a fair point....what I don't like is the "Victim Syndrome" coming out of Liverpool and their fans. Suarez has been found guilty and punished. He can play during the appeal, and will probably get a reduced ban. I reckon he will miss one league game, two Carling Cup games and one FA Cup game after the appeal. But Suarez hasn't been found guilty and banned simply because he is a Liverpool player as some suggest, there is no witchunt against Liverpool or Suarez.
DarylAFC wrote:
Fair enough saying he's not in South America anymore, but if he didn't know the culture here then he should have researched it before coming here, but it's not really different from when a British woman gets arrested or indecency in dubai for wearing a bikini is it? Yes they should have looked into the local laws and customs but they didnt 'mean' to offend.
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Think that is a fair point....what I don't like is the "Victim Syndrome" coming out of Liverpool and their fans. Suarez has been found guilty and punished. He can play during the appeal, and will probably get a reduced ban. I reckon he will miss one league game, two Carling Cup games and one FA Cup game after the appeal. But Suarez hasn't been found guilty and banned simply because he is a Liverpool player as some suggest, there is no witchunt against Liverpool or Suarez.
100% agree mate, Liverpool fans do tend to think everyone's against them.
Here's something from the BBC that I think sums up why what Suarez said was descriptive, not racist:
When Suarez pulls on the sky blue shirt of his country he is part of a national team which has an unrivalled record of giving opportunities to afro-descendants. In the face of protests from their opponents, Uruguay picked black players in the first Copa America in 1916.
Probably the most revered figure in the history of Uruguayan football is Obdulio Varela, captain of the side that won the World Cup in 1950. His nickname was "El Negro Jefe" - the black boss.
Among Suarez's team-mates these days is Maxi Pereira, who is known as "El Mono" - the monkey. It is a nickname which, apparently, is given and accepted with no offence meant or taken. It appears to be used in the same spirit that Alvaro Fernandez is called "El Flaco", which means skinny.
These words are not easy - perhaps almost impossible - to translate into a contemporary English context. How do you judge the weight of a word uttered in a foreign language from a different mindset?
By Suarez admitting he used what could be considered a racist term, he signed his own fate. His argument that 'it's not racist in South America' didn't wash. Ignorance is no defence.
John Terry has admitted using the term "Black *word censored*", however his defence that he was repeating an accusation will be what gets him off.
If Terry were to be found guilty, the repurcussions for the FA in terms of legal action from Terry & Chelsea would be huge, as it could very likely finish his career.
You needn't prove your innocence in court, it is needed to be proved you are guilty 'beyond a reasonable doubt'.
In my opinion, Terry has raised such a doubt, as even Anton Ferdinand did not hear any such comments.
Not that I agree, I think Terry should be banned for life. Not for racism, but because he is a classless, over-rated pikey wanker (whoops that's racist)
Couldn't care less what happened to Evra, his interview a couple of years back about The Arsenal (whilst mainly true) marked him out as a *word censored* of the highest order.
Suarez being out, thus weakening the mickey's is a decent result 'football wise' for any Arsenal supporter.
You're right Daryl I won't play the race card, I'm sure some of your best friends are black
I can't bothered to argue with you for reasons that you probably won't understand or cannot begin to comprehend just as to finish I dare you to go and do what Suarez did at work.
[quote="Dan_85"]Will be interesting to see what Terry gets now...
I don't believe for one minute that the FA/Premier League are taking so long over this that it might be forgotten, so they don't have to strip Terry of the England captaincy and ban him for 10 games. I mean, what with a European Championship coming up and Terry not being able to play..............
DB10 great post, though the I ly funny bit was when you hinted Australia was a non-racist multicultural place LOL
Suarez fully deserves his ban. When arguing with someone their colour should have nothing to do with that argument. Wish he'd got ten matches and a money-shot from Dirk Kuyt.
Babatunde wrote:DB10 great post, though the I ly funny bit was when you hinted Australia was a non-racist multicultural place LOL
Suarez fully deserves his ban. When arguing with someone their colour should have nothing to do with that argument. Wish he'd got ten matches and a money-shot from Dirk Kuyt.
Sorry, didn't mean to imply Australia was racist-free, God knows it isn't. But I would say that in my experience (in the 70's/80's when I lived there) it was very multi-cultural and amongst the normal, non-mong people it was very accepting of other cultures and races.
I grew up in a suburb in Brisbane and mixed with kids that were Black, Oirish, Engerlish, Asian, East European and African amongst others. Our parents mixed well too. It was a great place to spend my childhood/early teens.
Do they have Ginger Cybermen? 