Now the Champions League thread

[brazilianGOONER]

to answer the thread title:

scarlett johansson.

don't know what you mean with european cup though

[franksav63]

letting Chelsea be the London's first winners and this isn't down to Roman Abramovich

you think Chelski could have won it without Roman???
I doubt they would even be a Prem club

Most teams were pretty much on the same level playing field in 2002 and 2004 in regards to their monetary means, and despite what you say, Wenger should have indeed won the CL with the teams that he had at his disposal pre RA, money didn't come into it then, did it?

Would the Chavs have won it without RA, who knows, but they shouldn't have been the first London winners, we should have been, let's face it, the Chavs won it with a manager who had only been in the job six months, how long has the arsehole Wenger been trying to win it? Not only with us but with previous clubs!! He was tactically inept even back with his best teams, now with poorer teams than his previously great teams, allied with his tactical ineptness, he is no nearer winning it than ever. You can't just blame teams that have money, the Chelsea team that won it last season had several players that are at the end of their careers, Mata, Torres were the only recent big money buys in their team.

It's easy for an AKB to blame monetary injections into clubs for Wenger's downfall.

[Chips and Chocolate]

don't know what you mean with european cup though

Perhaps you refer to it as "the UEFA Champions league sponsored by fordmastercardheinekenandthatfuckinfrenchtwatplatini"

[brazilianGOONER]

don't know what you mean with european cup though

Perhaps you refer to it as "the UEFA Champions league sponsored by fordmastercardheinekenandthatfuckinfrenchtwatplatini"

that kind of thing pisses me off. it took me years to call the 'worthington cup' the 'carling cup' (as it was worthington when it started being broadcasted here for the first few years), and when i finally managed to grab hold of it, it changed again.

fuck it, it's 'pointless cup' for me from now on

[cusamano]

How would I know?

Which team is in which pot?

[I Hate Hleb]

The only pot you should worry about is the one that a person can smoke!!

[Dan_85]

How would I know?

Which team is in which pot?

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uef ... l2012.html

Scroll down to group stage. Pots can still change a bit depending on results from the qualifying rounds.

[cusamano]

How would I know?

Which team is in which pot?

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uef ... l2012.html

Scroll down to group stage. Pots can still change a bit depending on results from the qualifying rounds.

Thanks!

My choice would be:

Braga
Ajax
Celtic

[1989]

PSG
Celtic
Zenit

[highburyJD]

when I say

you think Chelski could have won it without Roman???
I doubt they would even be a Prem club

I'm suggesting they wouldn't have even kept Terry and Lampard with Roman's stolen cash injection

You can't just blame teams that have money, the Chelsea team that won it last season had several players that are at the end of their careers, Mata, Torres were the only recent big money buys in their team.

It's easy for an AKB to blame monetary injections into clubs for Wenger's downfall.

and I don't see the relevance of big buys being 'recent'
Chelsea team:
Cech can't remember price but he's had loads of big contract renegotiations + we mysteriously failed in all our work permit applications when we were interested
Bosingwa, shit backup RB. cost more than any player in Arsenal history
Luiz, cost more than any player in Arsenal history
Cahill, only cost £7M but on £80k pw (more than RVP)
Cole, our best youth team player in decades - lured by more money
Kalou, rubbish backup forward, cost £9M would have been one of our bigger fee signings. According to the Sun he's earnt over £18M from football so his 2nd contract with Chels signed '09 must have been pretty tasty
Mikel, £16M as much as any player we've bought + huge legal+agent fees. big wages
Lampard, one of the all-time Prem top earners
Bertrand, youth team - cheap
Mata, cost more than any player in Arsenal history
Drogba. cost more than any player in Arsenal history
Subs: Turnbull, free (big wages prob)
Essien,cost more than any player in Arsenal history
Romeu, cheap but Barac have a buy back
Torres, cost more than any player in Arsenal or Prem history
Malouda outbid many other interested parties (£15M?)
Ferreira (outbid many other interested parties (£15M?)
Sturridge free, massive wages outbid all other interested parties

oh and they only got to the final because of Ramires who cost more than any player in Arsenal history
Meireles £12M, Ivanovic £9M, Terry one of the top earners in Prem history
that is a team built with unsustainable crazy money

[arseofacrow]

Most teams were pretty much on the same level playing field in 2002 and 2004 in regards to their monetary means, and despite what you say, Wenger should have indeed won the CL with the teams that he had at his disposal pre RA, money didn't come into it then, did it?

I agree and this has yet to be properly examined.

[franksav63]

when I say

you think Chelski could have won it without Roman???
I doubt they would even be a Prem club

I'm suggesting they wouldn't have even kept Terry and Lampard with Roman's stolen cash injection

You can't just blame teams that have money, the Chelsea team that won it last season had several players that are at the end of their careers, Mata, Torres were the only recent big money buys in their team.

It's easy for an AKB to blame monetary injections into clubs for Wenger's downfall.

and I don't see the relevance of big buys being 'recent'
Chelsea team:
Cech can't remember price but he's had loads of big contract renegotiations + we mysteriously failed in all our work permit applications when we were interested
Bosingwa, shit backup RB. cost more than any player in Arsenal history
Luiz, cost more than any player in Arsenal history
Cahill, only cost £7M but on £80k pw (more than RVP)
Cole, our best youth team player in decades - lured by more money
Kalou, rubbish backup forward, cost £9M would have been one of our bigger fee signings. According to the Sun he's earnt over £18M from football so his 2nd contract with Chels signed '09 must have been pretty tasty
Mikel, £16M as much as any player we've bought + huge legal+agent fees. big wages
Lampard, one of the all-time Prem top earners
Bertrand, youth team - cheap
Mata, cost more than any player in Arsenal history
Drogba. cost more than any player in Arsenal history
Subs: Turnbull, free (big wages prob)
Essien,cost more than any player in Arsenal history
Romeu, cheap but Barac have a buy back
Torres, cost more than any player in Arsenal or Prem history
Malouda outbid many other interested parties (£15M?)
Ferreira (outbid many other interested parties (£15M?)
Sturridge free, massive wages outbid all other interested parties

oh and they only got to the final because of Ramires who cost more than any player in Arsenal history
Meireles £12M, Ivanovic £9M, Terry one of the top earners in Prem history
that is a team built with unsustainable crazy money

I must admit, I do enjoy our jousts on this forum, but the fact of the matter is you miss the main point, that being that Wenger, pre RA should have won the CL before RA was even heard of. Let's look at it another way and judge the value of the team that your god, Wenger, managed (at long last) to get to the final in 2006 against the value of the team and players that you have named above, there's a stark difference in the total values of the players, and in fact by my mentioning the 2006 team sort of gives Wenger some credit, so by Wenger getting to the 2006 knocks your gripe about Chelsea's monetary power into a cocked hat, winning the CL is more than just throwing money at it, look at Man City last season who didn't even get to the knock out stage.

[franksav63]

Most teams were pretty much on the same level playing field in 2002 and 2004 in regards to their monetary means, and despite what you say, Wenger should have indeed won the CL with the teams that he had at his disposal pre RA, money didn't come into it then, did it?

I agree and this has yet to be properly examined.

Thank you AOAC..

[_James_]

Valencia from pot 2, I still want to goto the Mestalla, Schalke 04 wouldn't be too bad as my 2nd choice.
Anderlecht would be good from pot 3, though a trip back to Parken Stadium (FC København) could be good.
Galatasaray from pot 4 I would like to go to their new ground, though Montpellier or FC Nordsjælland (their ground is only 10k) could be good as well.

[highburyJD]

does anyone know the date of the draw?