Cesc to return?

[arseofacrow]

In fairness it seems like Sid is saying that the grass is not as green as cesc thought it would be? Fair point imo

Superb

[LDB]

In fairness it seems like Sid is saying that the grass is not as green as cesc thought it would be? Fair point imo

Superb

...thanks

[arseofacrow]

In fairness it seems like Sid is saying that the grass is not as green as cesc thought it would be? Fair point imo

Superb

...thanks

You're welcome

[goonersid]

Anyone who watched last night and can't see that this Barca side is coming to an end is blind. So come on Bilbao in the Copa del rey.
And Cesc will soon discover just how much the Barca faithless really love him when they win fuck all and are playing second fiddle to Real.
I wonder if Guardiola wil have the balls to stay another season and try to turn it round, I doubt it very much so fuck the Barca whores and fuck Cesc barca whore.

[SteveO 35]

Anyone who watched last night and can't see that this Barca side is coming to an end is blind. So come on Bilbao in the Copa del rey.
And Cesc will soon discover just how much the Barca faithless really love him when they win fuck all and are playing second fiddle to Real.
I wonder if Guardiola wil have the balls to stay another season and try to turn it round, I doubt it very much so fuck the Barca whores and fuck Cesc barca whore.

All of which will be highly amusing and I will enjoy every second.

However, if the grass is dying and turning brown at Barcelona, then at Arsenal it must be a ploughed field given that we can still highly likely finish outside the top 4, not reach the semi-final stage of either domestic competition and get rolled over 4-0 by a team who won't even win Serie A.

Perhaps he should have joined Real. He certainly shouldn't have stayed at Arsenal. If a comfort zone and undemanding fans are what you're after then stay at Arsenal. He supposedly wanted to join his Spanish team mates competing for major honours, and as one of only two teams in Spain he'll still get a whole closer than Arsene's cozy club

[Rob Admin]

It was very disappointing to see Cesc go down the way he did for that penalty. It has taken him long to learn that way of playing. Looing at his contribution of the two legs I don't rcall hm doing much at all, aside from missing a sitter. At Arsenal he would have ben the main man running the game, over the two legs he was a bit part player subbed in both games! He may well argue that he wants it that way - less pressure and more of a team player?

I know this thread is about the grass being greener, but something dep inside of me can't help feeling some pleasure at his misfortune - 'Schadenfreude'. I feel bad enjoying seeing him not win but as other have said I think he thought he would just show up and win the lot without trying.

I'm sorry Cesc but I just don't feel the love any more and last night I was cheering a Chelsea win

[kite]

Anyone who watched last night and can't see that this Barca side is coming to an end is blind.

And you know what? Even if yo were right - it's Barcelona. They won't sit down and say "oh well we lost but maybe we'll win next year.. or in the next five years..". They will do everything to come back and by everything I mean they will buy in the summer and they will buy fucking great players because that's they way you win something and they know it.

[stg]

Anyone who watched last night and can't see that this Barca side is coming to an end is blind.

And you know what? Even if yo were right - it's Barcelona. They won't sit down and say "oh well we lost but maybe we'll win next year.. or in the next five years..". They will do everything to come back and by everything I mean they will buy in the summer and they will buy fucking great players because that's they way you win something and they know it.

your right Barcalona wont give a flying fig about the 442m euro debt they are in they will just say sod that lets go and spend millions more euro's on players

[augie]

Anyone who watched last night and can't see that this Barca side is coming to an end is blind. So come on Bilbao in the Copa del rey.
And Cesc will soon discover just how much the Barca faithless really love him when they win fuck all and are playing second fiddle to Real.
I wonder if Guardiola wil have the balls to stay another season and try to turn it round, I doubt it very much so fuck the Barca whores and fuck Cesc barca whore.

All of which will be highly amusing and I will enjoy every second.

However, if the grass is dying and turning brown at Barcelona, then at Arsenal it must be a ploughed field given that we can still highly likely finish outside the top 4, not reach the semi-final stage of either domestic competition and get rolled over 4-0 by a team who won't even win Serie A.

Perhaps he should have joined Real. He certainly shouldn't have stayed at Arsenal. If a comfort zone and undemanding fans are what you're after then stay at Arsenal. He supposedly wanted to join his Spanish team mates competing for major honours, and as one of only two teams in Spain he'll still get a whole closer than Arsene's cozy club

Again I agree 100% with you Steve O - ambitious players who have given everything for the club but want to win medals, should be admired and respected for opting out instead of being lazy and taking the easy money at a club without ambitions (unless making profits every season counts as an ambition )

[SteveO 35]

Anyone who watched last night and can't see that this Barca side is coming to an end is blind.

And you know what? Even if yo were right - it's Barcelona. They won't sit down and say "oh well we lost but maybe we'll win next year.. or in the next five years..". They will do everything to come back and by everything I mean they will buy in the summer and they will buy fucking great players because that's they way you win something and they know it.

your right Barcalona wont give a flying fig about the 442m euro debt they are in they will just say sod that lets go and spend millions more euro's on players

Come back to us when Barcelona, Chelsea, Man City and Real Madrid have either all been declared bankrupt or thrown out of Europe's by the paperweights at UEFA, and we'll all say you were right.

FFS - every leading business in the world has a degree of debt - its normal business practice. Barcelona get refinanced every other year, Chelsea are debt free as the Russian wipes it off and converts it to equity every year, Manchester City will do likewise. FFS - the debts at Man City are like a pimple on a cow's arse for the City owners

[goonersid]

Anyone who watched last night and can't see that this Barca side is coming to an end is blind.

And you know what? Even if yo were right - it's Barcelona. They won't sit down and say "oh well we lost but maybe we'll win next year.. or in the next five years..". They will do everything to come back and by everything I mean they will buy in the summer and they will buy fucking great players because that's they way you win something and they know it.

Up until the whores beat us they had one the European cup once, a few cup winners cups and not a lot else so hardly one of Europe's dominating forces.
As for their domestic success over the last few years, that was gained in a league (just like scotland) where 2 teams dominate year in and year out and if you happen to be the dominant team then you tend to win everything.
Barca, like Arsenal in Wenger's early years, were successful playing an attractive style of football (only Wenger's tactical incompetence preventing us from winning a clge) And like Arsenal they seem to have lost their way, whilst admittedly close this season "still no cigar" and they will slip further behind Real next term.
There is nothing to suggest in Barca's history that they will resurrect themselves overnight, in fact I foresee a long barren spell for the whores of barcelona. What I would love now is a Figo type move for one of their big stars, just to remind them that despite recent success , they will forever be in the shadow of Real.

[Gunnerz4life]

Talks of a crisis at the whores is a bit premature. In the last 3 games they dominated all 3 even though they didnt get the results. There might have been some complacency on their and Guardiola's part to not get decent centre backs and a quality back up to Villa whom they have missed terribly of late. Their amazing run would have come to a halt at some stage but they are more than capable of coming out more hungry next season having learnt their lesson and back to winning trophies again. Also with both Guardiola and Mourinho being expected to leave, it will be interesting to see who succeeds them.

[kiwomya]

Anyone who watched last night and can't see that this Barca side is coming to an end is blind.

And you know what? Even if yo were right - it's Barcelona. They won't sit down and say "oh well we lost but maybe we'll win next year.. or in the next five years..". They will do everything to come back and by everything I mean they will buy in the summer and they will buy fucking great players because that's they way you win something and they know it.

your right Barcalona wont give a flying fig about the 442m euro debt they are in they will just say sod that lets go and spend millions more euro's on players

Come back to us when Barcelona, Chelsea, Man City and Real Madrid have either all been declared bankrupt or thrown out of Europe's by the paperweights at UEFA, and we'll all say you were right.

FFS - every leading business in the world has a degree of debt - its normal business practice. Barcelona get refinanced every other year, Chelsea are debt free as the Russian wipes it off and converts it to equity every year, Manchester City will do likewise. FFS - the debts at Man City are like a pimple on a cow's arse for the City owners

It's been said a million times but these clubs can afford to make mistakes with players/managers whatever and just go and get the next big thing the following summer. Other sides might get the odd final win here and there but those types of team will dominate and if they don't they'll spend another 400M to make sure they do.

[Red Gunner]

Vieira and Henry won more trophies with Arsenal than they did when they moved, and without researching I reckon Cashley can't be far away on that count either.

If they did, that's because they played for us longer than they did for other teams. Anyway let's check:

- Vieira in his 9 seasons with Arsenal, he won 3 league titles and 4 cups. In his 6 seasons with Juventus, Inter and Man City, he won 5 league titles and 3 cups. So he won 0.7 trophies per season with us, and 1.3 after leaving us.
- Henry in his 8 seasons with Arsenal, he won 2 league titles and 3 cups. In his 3 seasons with Barcelona, he won 2 league titles, 1 cup and 1 Champions League. So he won 0.6 trophies per season with us, and 1.3 after leaving us.
- Cashley in his 6 seasons with Arsenal, he won 2 league titles and 3 cups. In his 5 seasons with Chelsea, he won 1 league title and 3 cups (I'm not counting the Carling Cup). So he won 0.8 trophies per season with us, and 0.8 after leaving us.

So Henry and Vieira were more successful after they had left Arsenal, and Cashley is as successful. If Fabregas wins the Copa del Rey come May, he will have won in one season with Barcelona as much as he won with us in seven.

My point is, are Barca about to be replaced by Real as top dogs in Spain? If so Cesc will find himself in a very hostile atmosphere, as simply winning a trophy in Spain is not good enough, you have to be number one. As for several top players, I think some of them are on the wain, and Barca's "new blood" look nothing special.
My question is somewhat hypothetical, but the signs are most certainly there that the tide is turning and if Real victory in the clge final would see Guardiola under pressure, that is the nature of the Spanisn game.

Well this is what separates the men from the boys. If Cesc is a boy, he won't handle the pressure; if he is man, he'll relish the pressure. And I think one of the reasons why Cesc moved to Barcelona is because they demand success. So can't see him get too sad when he finds out that, unlike in Arsenal, people are not satisfied with a with just qualifying to the Champions League.

Anyone who watched last night and can't see that this Barca side is coming to an end is blind. So come on Bilbao in the Copa del rey.

You must have said the same thing after this match:

Barcelona 1-0 Inter Milan

And there's a pattern too:

2007/2008 - Champions League semi-finals
2008/2009 - Champions League winners
2009/2010 - Champions League semi-finals
2010/2011 - Champions League winners
2011/2012 - Champions League semi-finals

As for their domestic success over the last few years, that was gained in a league (just like scotland) where 2 teams dominate year in and year out and if you happen to be the dominant team then you tend to win everything.

Same here in the Premiership. Man Utd have won 12 league titles in since 1992. Barcelona have won 10 since 1992, Real Madrid have won 6 since 1992. You have two teams dominating La Liga, and one team dominating the Premiership.

One of Man Utd and Man City will win the Premiership next season, and one of Barcelona and Real Madrid win win La Liga next season. Both are predictable. The difference between us and them, is that we pretend that anyone can win it. But do any of us really believe Sp*rs, Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea will challenge for the title next season?

Barca, like Arsenal in Wenger's early years, were successful playing an attractive style of football (only Wenger's tactical incompetence preventing us from winning a clge) And like Arsenal they seem to have lost their way, whilst admittedly close this season "still no cigar" and they will slip further behind Real next term.

So going one season without winning you domestic league title and the Champions League is an indication of "losing your ways." Shows how high the standards Barcelona have set.

What I would love now is a Figo type move for one of their big stars, just to remind them that despite recent success, they will forever be in the shadow of Real.

Barcelona have won 5 La Ligas and 3 Champions Leagues in the last 7 seasons. Real Madrid, in those 7 seasons, have won 2 La Ligas. Forever in Real's shadow? Hardly.

[DB10GOONER]

There are many many reasons I'd love to see the Whores win fuck all this season (and every other season too) but Fabregas isn't one of them.

I don't really think about him at all tbh... he is just a very good player that once played for us and has now moved on. Not a legend but not a figure of ire or hatred either. I'm just really kind of "meh" where he is concerned. But I am hugely disapointed to see him now diving all over the gaff like his cheating bastard team mates...